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Let's be clear about abundance vs scarcity
Let's be clear about abundance vs scarcity
By SJConspirator
28 Jul 2022 10:27 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
28 Jul 2022 10:39 pm
For a loathsome prick with a chip...
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
28 Jul 2022 10:43 pm
My dad was a loathsome prick with a chip. Maybe several chips...
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
28 Jul 2022 10:44 pm
That's what you want to believe. I can't do a thing about that.SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 10:39 pm » wrote: ↑ the distinction is subtle yet powerful. You haven't even tried to understand, that's what is annoying
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
28 Jul 2022 11:04 pm
Are you the retarded Cro-Magnon of your tribe? Ask the other Cro-Magnons to hook a brother up with some seafood.SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 7:46 pm » wrote: ↑ There is an ocean full of fish
If I am a cro magnon living in 3000 BC, with no hooks, no net, no spear, no feasible way to capture and consume the fish, I will have a scarcity of seafood
If I am a corporate fishing vessel in the year 1995 with every modern tool including sonar to find schools of fish, I will have abundance..
Can we agree that technology is necessary for abundance, moreso than raw materials?
“Cro-Magnons, who lived approximately 25,000 years ago, introduced tools such as the bow and arrow, fishhooks, fish spears and harpoons that were constructed from bones and antlers of animals.”
28 Jul 2022 11:06 pm
This has alredy been quibbled over. It's pre-quibbled.Cedar » 28 Jul 2022, 11:04 pm » wrote: ↑ Are you the retarded Cro-Magnon of your tribe? Ask the other Cro-Magnons to hook a brother up with some seafood.
“Cro-Magnons, who lived approximately 25,000 years ago, introduced tools such as the bow and arrow, fishhooks, fish spears and harpoons that were constructed from bones and antlers of animals.”
The larger issue remains unaddressed.
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
28 Jul 2022 11:25 pm
Cedar » 28 Jul 2022, 11:04 pm » wrote: ↑ Are you the retarded Cro-Magnon of your tribe? Ask the other Cro-Magnons to hook a brother up with some seafood.
“Cro-Magnons, who lived approximately 25,000 years ago, introduced tools such as the bow and arrow, fishhooks, fish spears and harpoons that were constructed from bones and antlers of animals.”
cro magnon certainly landed more fish than modern fisheries could even handle
28 Jul 2022 11:41 pm
DeezerShoove » 28 Jul 2022, 10:44 pm » wrote: ↑ That's what you want to believe. I can't do a thing about that.
Do you know what year the population of earth reached 1 billion People? Try to guess, before you google. If you have the balls, post your guess here BEFORE you google.
28 Jul 2022 11:55 pm
SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 11:25 pm » wrote: ↑ cro magnon certainly landed more fish than modern fisheries could even handle
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
28 Jul 2022 11:56 pm
SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 11:41 pm » wrote: ↑ Do you know what year the population of earth reached 1 billion People? Try to guess, before you google. If you have the balls, post your guess here BEFORE you google.
I'm going to guess 1850 - then, I'm going to google.
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
29 Jul 2022 12:17 am
close. You was only about 50 years offCannonpointer » 28 Jul 2022, 11:56 pm » wrote: ↑
I'm going to guess 1850 - then, I'm going to google.
I would guessed 1890 before I googled lol
29 Jul 2022 12:20 am
Yeah, I googled immediately. 1890 was actually my first guess, before I ruminated on it.SJConspirator » 29 Jul 2022, 12:17 am » wrote: ↑ close. You was only about 50 years off
I would guessed 1890 before I googled lol
Y'know what came up for me, when I learnt the true date?
Everything we were given to believe about the conditions in red china HAD to be a lie - HAD to.
No way around it.
Is there?
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
29 Jul 2022 12:25 am
Cannonpointer » 29 Jul 2022, 12:20 am » wrote: ↑ Yeah, I googled immediately. 1890 was actually my first guess, before I ruminated on it.
Y'know what came up for me, when I learnt the true date?
Everything we were given to believe about the conditions in red china HAD to be a lie - HAD to.
No way around it.
Is there?
you mean like 50 million dead in a decade?
29 Jul 2022 12:32 am
I have tubs of rice, beans, pasta, oats, flour, powdered milk, canned goods and other **** if **** hits the air conditioner.
Don't know what it will do for me, but I have it for trade or to be robbed
Don't know what it will do for me, but I have it for trade or to be robbed
29 Jul 2022 12:42 am
No, that I buy. But the primitive commie economy. Not saying they had starbucks. But they had to have had some damned efficient rail and some reasonably modern agricultural practices, to hit a billion people on the heels of purging a population the size of 1960s France. They had not reverted to the backwards, prehistoric **** I had been given to understand.
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's.
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe.
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge.
Only religions declare heresy; only lies require protection.
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
29 Jul 2022 12:47 am
Cannonpointer » 29 Jul 2022, 12:20 am » wrote: ↑ Yeah, I googled immediately. 1890 was actually my first guess, before I ruminated on it.
Y'know what came up for me, when I learnt the true date?
Everything we were given to believe about the conditions in red china HAD to be a lie - HAD to.
No way around it.
Is there?
That was my birthday! What happened?
29 Jul 2022 2:30 am
SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 7:46 pm » wrote: ↑ There is an ocean full of fish
If I am a cro magnon living in 3000 BC, with no hooks, no net, no spear, no feasible way to capture and consume the fish, I will have a scarcity of seafood
If I am a corporate fishing vessel in the year 1995 with every modern tool including sonar to find schools of fish, I will have abundance..
Can we agree that technology is necessary for abundance, moreso than raw materials?
it also depends on how many mouths there are to feed. A hunter gatherer could survive easily with just working 8 hours a week...even without any fancy technology. the pond has an abundance of fish to feed a family, and you arent going to overfish it.
29 Jul 2022 2:53 am
I imagine Cro-Magnons had what they needed with their technology. An abundance if you will. As technology advanced we became too damn efficient. There is no longer an abundance, as we deplete the natural resource. We lack abundance because of technology.SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 11:25 pm » wrote: ↑ cro magnon certainly landed more fish than modern fisheries could even handle
29 Jul 2022 6:39 am
intelligence is the ability to know the difference between factual reality and actual life.SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm » wrote: ↑ Wow. The level of intelligence on this board is depressing
29 Jul 2022 7:39 am
I would have guessed "in the 1800's" and that's as close a margin as I would have gone.SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 11:41 pm » wrote: ↑ Do you know what year the population of earth reached 1 billion People? Try to guess, before you google. If you have the balls, post your guess here BEFORE you google.
Not sure why that becomes an important part of the scarcity topic though.
Also, not sure why you seem so thin-skinned about this. Have a nice day.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
29 Jul 2022 9:24 am
Can we agree that technology is necessary for abundance, more so than raw materials?
This is simplistic. Technology made it possible for Americans to exterminate the passenger pigeons, and by 1914 or so, they were extinct. My great-grandfather said they were delicious. Technology allowed fishermen to deplete the North Atlantic of codfish, and many fishing villages and towns along the coast in New England and the Canadian Maritimes lost their main source of income.
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On the other hand, technology will eventually provide humans with nearly all their energy, by using solar, tidal, hydroelectric, geothermal, and Thorium and perhaps fusion reactors.
So the answer is sometimes technology is the solution, and other times, it is a temporary solution that causes greater problems.
This is simplistic. Technology made it possible for Americans to exterminate the passenger pigeons, and by 1914 or so, they were extinct. My great-grandfather said they were delicious. Technology allowed fishermen to deplete the North Atlantic of codfish, and many fishing villages and towns along the coast in New England and the Canadian Maritimes lost their main source of income.
\
On the other hand, technology will eventually provide humans with nearly all their energy, by using solar, tidal, hydroelectric, geothermal, and Thorium and perhaps fusion reactors.
So the answer is sometimes technology is the solution, and other times, it is a temporary solution that causes greater problems.
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