you ever hear of seasonal shifts, where half the year people have to prepare for the scarcity of late fall, winter, early spring when raw materials like food are out of growing season?SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 7:46 pm » wrote: ↑ There is an ocean full of fish
If I am a cro magnon living in 3000 BC, with no hooks, no net, no spear, no feasible way to capture and consume the fish, I will have a scarcity of seafood
If I am a corporate fishing vessel in the year 1995 with every modern tool including sonar to find schools of fish, I will have abundance..
Can we agree that technology is necessary for abundance, more so than raw materials?
TB7 » 29 Jul 2022, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑ Like most early humans, the Cro-Magnons mostly hunted large animals. For example, they killed mammoths, cave bears, horses, and reindeer for food. They hunted with spears, javelins, and spear-throwers. They also ate fruits from plants.
Fish was not in the diet...
there was no scarcity
I never made that claim. I said you were trying to be clever with wordplay (kind of).SJConspirator » 29 Jul 2022, 9:27 am » wrote: ↑
It took 300,000 years for population to reach one billion. Now a billion people are generated every 20 years. Why such a difference ? Techno abundance.
if there was no scarcity before as you claim, the population would have exploded long before 1800. We would have hit a billion in 2 AD
Abuse is always possible, technology or no. There are some destructive elephants. There are some murdering tigers - they just kill prey and leave it, for the fun.Cedar » 29 Jul 2022, 4:31 pm » wrote: ↑ The discussion was does technology lead to abundance, I’ve demonstrated that isn’t always the case. Technology allows us to abuse the resources.
Until the Industrial Revolution began, birth rates and death rates were both very high, which kept the global human population relatively stable. In fact, it took all of human history, until around 1804, to reach 1 billion people. Modern medicine and sanitation played heavily in reducing mortality rates—especially among infants and children—but there wasn’t yet a reliable way to reduce fertility (the first modern contraceptive, the birth control pill, wasn’t introduced until 1960). The drop in mortality while fertility remained unchanged caused the beginning of what is now known as the J-curve (see below). With more people surviving to adulthood and then having kids of their own, the human population started growing exponentially.SJConspirator » 29 Jul 2022, 4:54 pm » wrote: ↑ why did it take humans until 1800 to populate a billion People?
If abundance was always there, why didn't we have a billion people in 2 AD?
DeezerShoove » 29 Jul 2022, 5:06 pm » wrote: ↑ I never made that claim. I said you were trying to be clever with wordplay (kind of).
You said it takes tools to reach the stuff (paraphrasing here). I sort of said, "No ****".
Relax. I wasn't attacking you.
You just don't like me. I got it. No biggie.
Liberals rarely like me in forums.SJConspirator » 29 Jul 2022, 5:32 pm » wrote: ↑ Just from writing quality, you’re in the top 5 posters here even though I rarely agree with you. But given the riff raff in this place, that’s not saying much. My ignore list is long
Eh...not really. It's a **** current evenrs forum. What is depressing is the level of intelligence in this country.SJConspirator » 28 Jul 2022, 9:21 pm » wrote: ↑ Wow. The level of intelligence on this board is depressing
The gentry, the landed gentry, whatever we want to call those who had total social and economic control over the masses, and of course the church which worked in concert with each other to keep the mob stupid and believing that this life means nothing and the afterlife means everything.SJConspirator » 29 Jul 2022, 4:54 pm » wrote: ↑ why did it take humans until 1800 to populate a billion People?
If abundance was always there, why didn't we have a billion people in 2 AD?
Abundance was NOT always present. There were no potatoes, corn, tomatoes, squash, yams and many varieties of beans in Eurasia until the early 1500's. There were also a lot of herbs with medicinal properties introduced at about that time as well.SJConspirator » 29 Jul 2022, 4:54 pm » wrote: ↑ why did it take humans until 1800 to populate a billion People?
If abundance was always there, why didn't we have a billion people in 2 AD?
Xavier_Onassis » 29 Jul 2022, 6:36 pm » wrote: ↑ Abundance was NOT always present. There were no potatoes, corn, tomatoes, squash, yams and many varieties of beans in Eurasia until the early 1500's. There were also a lot of herbs with medicinal properties introduced at about that time as well.
because it wasn't until 1800's that humans were able to establish a consistent global travel method to communicate between all nations to actually start keeping track of everyone alive.SJConspirator » 29 Jul 2022, 4:54 pm » wrote: ↑ why did it take humans until 1800 to populate a billion People?
If abundance was always there, why didn't we have a billion people in 2 AD?
SJConspirator » 29 Jul 2022, 5:32 pm » wrote: ↑ My ignore list is long. That's why I'm a monetary ignoramus [and puppet Trump cacksucker]
Your ignore list is real short, anything actually existing in plain sight. Your mind is so occupied covering up what you don't want to know about you can only defend established speculation all the time.
are you and your butt-buddies still sweatin it out as you make that poll
...think about it and we'll sweat the details later...
omh » 30 Jul 2022, 9:12 am » wrote: ↑ My mind is so occupied covering up the fact that I am a chronic puppet Trump/Republican cacksucker [and monetary ignoramus]
Reality goes in an infinite set of directions ignoring how genetics only works one way, inception to extinction by the numbers currently here.