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 The conservative movement is a 'broad church'.  The Left would like to paint us as all rednecked fundamentalists, clutching our Bibles, but that's far from the truth. If, like me, you're a non-religious conservative, you might like to have a look here:  (https://forum.theatheistconservative.com/)

And you’ll find this site interesting as well: https://darwinianconservatism.blogspot.com/

The more you know about math and science..the intelligent design and perfection that went into it...the more you gotta believe that the universe didn't just fly together on it's own.
what we will never be able to fathom or to explain is "nothingness" before the "creation of everything"

Yes, there is a lot to what you say. Pure materialism -- the belief that all there is, is little particles combining and separating -- can't begin to explain consciousness. I personally also believe that the orthodox explanation of evolution is inadequate.

However, that doesn't mean that there is an invisible man in the sky watching us.

But ... it doesn't matter. I have a million times more in common with a patriot who is a fundamentalist, than with another atheist who hates America.

I definitely do not want to start an argument about religion here. Just to point out to the non-believing Lefties here that there are plenty of non-believers who also don't believe in the Leftist utopia.
 

Doug1943 » 31 Jul 2022, 4:54 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2022, 4:54 pm

Yes, there is a lot to what you say. Pure materialism -- the belief that all there is, is little particles combining and separating -- can't begin to explain consciousness. I personally also believe that the orthodox explanation of evolution is inadequate.

However, that doesn't mean that there is an invisible man in the sky watching us.

But ... it doesn't matter. I have a million times more in common with a patriot who is a fundamentalist, than with another atheist who hates America.

I definitely do not want to start an argument about religion here. Just to point out to the non-believing Lefties here that there are plenty of non-believers who also don't believe in the Leftist utopia.

There was a San Diego Radio Talk Show Host named Bill Ballance who "identified" as a REVERENT AGNOSTIC...and that's how I like to think of my beliefs.
 

Doug1943 » 31 Jul 2022, 4:54 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2022, 4:54 pm

Yes, there is a lot to what you say. Pure materialism -- the belief that all there is, is little particles combining and separating -- can't begin to explain consciousness. I personally also believe that the orthodox explanation of evolution is inadequate.

However, that doesn't mean that there is an invisible man in the sky watching us.

But ... it doesn't matter. I have a million times more in common with a patriot who is a fundamentalist, than with another atheist who hates America.

I definitely do not want to start an argument about religion here. Just to point out to the non-believing Lefties here that there are plenty of non-believers who also don't believe in the Leftist utopia.

That definition of God is quite reductive. A creative being living outside space time with a specific interest in the human exploits on earth is closer to the claim. Christianity has helped me develop an understanding of the creator as have relationships with friends, family, enemies and coworkers. Drug experiences and travel have further added to the understanding. 

I have no issues with atheists, they believe in one less god than i. If they are not obnoxious and confrontational we can get along. 
 

Neo » 31 Jul 2022, 5:37 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2022, 5:37 pm

That definition of God is quite reductive. A creative being living outside space time with a specific interest in the human exploits on earth is closer to the claim. Christianity has helped me develop an understanding of the creator as have relationships with friends, family, enemies and coworkers. Drug experiences and travel have further added to the understanding. 

I have no issues with atheists, they believe in one less god than i. If they are not obnoxious and confrontational we can get along.

Those atheists are religious about being "non-believers".

And you're right about obnoxious and confrontational types. 
Not only do they know what they know, they want to help you know it as well.

That can be said about many things: politics, sex, civil society, yo' momma, etc...

GHETTOBLASTER » 31 Jul 2022, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2022, 4:48 pm

The more you know about math and science..the intelligent design and perfection that went into it...the more you gotta believe that the universe didn't just fly together on it's own.
what we will never be able to fathom or to explain is "nothingness" before the "creation of everything"

Exactly. The math and science are too precise. I understand if people have different definitions of God. Perhaps it isn't he biblical one or any other one that is under the religious spectrum. However, to believe in randomness within this level of order is just pure ignorance. 

GHETTOBLASTER » 31 Jul 2022, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2022, 4:48 pm

The more you know about math and science..the intelligent design and perfection that went into it...the more you gotta believe that the universe didn't just fly together on it's own.
what we will never be able to fathom or to explain is "nothingness" before the "creation of everything"

I kind of agree with you on that. The odds of the chemical structure of DNA forming organically from elements in an ancient Earth are almost astronomical. I also think that God is self evident. We delude ourselves in trying to explain away that fundamental truth although philosophers have been trying for thousands of years.

Doug1943 » 31 Jul 2022, 4:42 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2022, 4:42 pm

 The conservative movement is a 'broad church'.  The Left would like to paint us as all rednecked fundamentalists, clutching our Bibles, but that's far from the truth. If, like me, you're a non-religious conservative, you might like to have a look here:  (https://forum.theatheistconservative.com/)

And you’ll find this site interesting as well: https://darwinianconservatism.blogspot.com/

The Dem Team seeking the demise of old-fashioned, White, Christian, America.
This is why all of the "good-folk" are flocking to the GOP Team.
This is what the Bible meant when it was talking about the 
"separation of the sheep from the goats"...........and the
"separation of the wheat from the chafe".

https://youtu.be/uIxBmyRQlwQ


 

Monderegal » 31 Jul 2022, 7:24 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2022, 7:24 pm

I kind of agree with you on that. The odds of the chemical structure of DNA forming organically from elements in an ancient Earth are almost astronomical. I also think that God is self evident. We delude ourselves in trying to explain away that fundamental truth although philosophers have been trying for thousands of years.

When I was a kid our house had a flat roof that collected rainwater.
Don't ask me why someone would build a house with a flat roof.
The roof sagged badly and there was always a huge body of water up there.
Tadpoles appeared from out of nowhere in that body of water that was 10 feet above the ground.
Some "religious people" would say it was a miracle.
Other people with faith in science  would say that maybe a bird accidentally dropped a live frog up there.
 

lol...i live near an idiot (btw, he loves trump like the posters here!  )  who used to be ((((ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN)))) that there was no 'god'...but now the f@cking fool [and monetary ignoramus   ] has 'seen the light' and he's ((((ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN)))) there is a 'god'/magical sky wizard and that he knows who/what/when/where/how it is!!!...     

....mind you, this is a g@ddamned fool who couldn't tell you what he had for lunch saturday but he ((((((KNOWS))))) what happened 2000 years ago as to the jesus/magical sky wizard thing....   

...the motto of the story: ..as one wag put it, 'intelligent people are full of doubt, puppet trump cacksuckers are full of CONfidence..'    

Jesus freaks.

Squatchman » 01 Aug 2022, 9:01 am » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2022, 9:01 am

Jesus freaks.

Less delusional than climate worshipping, sexual dysfunction promoting, baby murdering progressives. They need deprogramming camps. 
 

No one can prove that the universe was created by a Creator God that did so just to provide  a comparatively super teensy place for him to cultivate humans as a perhaps beloved pets as sort of a hobby.
It just seems unlikely. It's like building shed for  tools and also building all five boroughs of NYC to keep it company.

No one can prove that God exists, or that he does not exist. There is insufficient proof either way.
Hence, the only logical conclusion is to be an agnostic.

This is unsatisfying. It is like having Schrodinger's Cat as a pet.

But still, it is the only conclusion that actually makes sense.

Proving Christianity is many, many times harder.

Been an atheist since I was 9 years old. Tend not to advertise it because people freak out. Keep telling me to read the bible. I've read the bible. To me, It's a bunch of ****.

Doug1943 » 31 Jul 2022, 4:42 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2022, 4:42 pm

 The conservative movement is a 'broad church'.  The Left would like to paint us as all rednecked fundamentalists, clutching our Bibles, but that's far from the truth. If, like me, you're a non-religious conservative, you might like to have a look here:  (https://forum.theatheistconservative.com/)

And you’ll find this site interesting as well: https://darwinianconservatism.blogspot.com/

Where do you stand on the Second Amendment?

How about Homosexuals marrying one another?
 

GHETTO BLASTER » 31 Jul 2022, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2022, 4:48 pm

The more you know about math and science..the intelligent design and perfection that went into it...the more you gotta believe that the universe didn't just fly together on it's own.
what we will never be able to fathom or to explain is "nothingness" before the "creation of everything"

The something before nothing stays the same form shaped like before again happens spontaneously here simultaneously as universally present.

what makes motion? what sustains energy changing forms shaped existing now?

magnetism, is the start of action balanced by electromagnetism induced by the former action reacting to complete cycles working individually part of the whole in series parallel displacement.

between every polarity there is a neutral zone of motions working expanding details with contracting results occupying time inhabiting space universally located here.

Simple compounding total sum in series parallel arrangement does manifest ancestral longevity of changing population of evolving details being ancestral results limited to this atmosphere.

horizontal, vertical, diagonal, spinning, orbiting, revolving, spiraling, gaseous, liquid, mineral elements erode and expand into cellular life that dies and decomposes back to used nuclei needing more subatomic material between perpetual balancing universal results here now.

Series parallel is spontaneously present individually here simultaneously changing forms residing in space as universe exists for navigating sole reproductions present.

Evolving isn't a theory, evolution is a suggestion evolving is more than limited to being alive now. One of the two was never accurate facts used by one species manifesting destiny by arguing who's who here now historically deceiving each added great great grandchild arriving forward now anywhere in this atmosphere like usual.

A-theist just doesn't accept invented theories or theologies but will die to protect a philosophy real doesn't matter forward here. Saving the methods of making reality fruition counts for everything realities became now.

You sure can waste a lot of pixels typing meaningless drivel.
There either is a God, or there is not a God. The attributes of God could vary quite a bit.
The thing is, that humans are not capable of proving that a God exists.
Hence, the only logical answer to the question, "Is there a God?" is "maybe".

Xavier_Onassis » 01 Aug 2022, 11:19 am » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2022, 11:19 am

You sure can waste a lot of pixels typing meaningless drivel.

There either is a God, or there is not a God. The attributes of God could vary quite a bit.
The thing is, that humans are not capable of proving that a God exists.
Hence, the only logical answer to the question, "Is there a God?" is "maybe".

Of course, the is also the possibility that there WAS a God, but at some point, he died, or ventured off  to create other universes, and is no longer supervising this one. 
 

Skans » 01 Aug 2022, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2022, 10:20 am

Where do you stand on the Second Amendment?

How about Homosexuals marrying one another?

Good questions.

I'm strongly in favor of the Second Amendment. Everyone -- every patriot that is -- should own an AR15, half a dozen magazines, and 2000 rounds of ammunition. And body armor. I've been kicked off several liberal-controlled forums just for saying this.  And if you can afford it, get another one, or two.  If you can't afford even one, get anything you can.  A single-shot bolt-action .22 is infinitely better than nothing.  But then you must organize with others.  Rambo is Hollywood fantasy. Wars are won by organizations.

But ... in 1780, owning a musket put you on a par with a professional soldier. Today, an AR15 doesn't put you on a par with an A10, a crewed mortar, a Bradley.  We shouldn't kid ourselves about that.  So every patriot who has not done his military service yet, and who is under 36, should enlist in the National Guard.   If the SHTF in America at some time in the future, the struggle must not be WITH the military, but FOR the military.  Which is why the rest of us, who can, should be involved in any organization that puts us in touch with the rank and file of the military, such as the USO.

As for homosexual marriage. I was raised in Texas in the 1940s/50s ... so I'm what the Russians call "A man of the old formation." However, I'm not going to let my gut reactions dictate my political strategy. And I know enough about the history of Western civilization to know that a great warrior like Alexander the Great had sexual tastes that we wouldn't approve of, although were you to appear in front of him, it would be best to keep your reactions to yourself.

We had a pretty good compromise worked out for a while, starting in the late 70s: what you got up to, and with whom, in the privacy of your own bedroom, was none of my business and certainly not the government's business.

But, I can understand the problems that a gay couple might have legally.  So, I'm for 'civil partnerships' for everyone who wants to live with someone else for the rest of their lives and share income, have next-of-kin privileges, etc, -- i.e. legal contracts --  and I'm  for marriage ceremonies being a private affair of you and your church, or your secular humanist celebrant, or mosque or temple or whatever.

The real issue is the family and children.  We're dying out -- the birth rate for advanced peoples is below replacement level in every country.  That's the big problem, and we need to talk about what to do about it.  In Somalia, the average woman has about six children. The average European (indigenous European) has about 1.5, well below the replacement level of 2.1  The Swedes have decided to solve their problem by importing Somalis, which is I suppose what the New World Order elite want. They call them 'new Swedes'.  I say they're committing national suicide. But that's
another discussion.

By the way, we're making steady progress in genetics, and in understanding how the brain works. If we can just avoid having a big stupid war, in few decades, all our kids will have stellar IQs, no genetic disorders, and their brains will match their bodies in terms of whom they want to have sex with.  In the meantime, we can be humanitarian towards
the folks where that has not happened.  [One of the best conservative thinkers around is Deirdre McCloskey, who has written a series of books that are the best defense of capitalism you'll every read, in my humble opinion. Look up
her bio here:[  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deirdre_McCloskey ]