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Today marks the one year anniversary of the Taliban regaining control of Afghanistan. Was the war worth it in the end? Probably not. Yet there is another debate at hand. While this actually occurred a few months back, it offers an intriguing question. $3.5 billion dollars of frozen funds were offered to the victims of the 9/11 attacks. Which makes more sense? Obviously the $3.5 billion would probably help more people if they were offered in aid to the Afghan people. As a hypothetical, does it make more sense to help Afghanistan or the 9/11 victims? The Taliban do run Afghanistan now and rule it like thugs and can't even run an economy. Yet, aid would probably reach more people if those funds were unlocked in a structured matter. Who should get the funds?

Monderegal » 13 Aug 2022, 11:51 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2022, 11:51 am

Today marks the one year anniversary of the Taliban regaining control of Afghanistan. Was the war worth it in the end? Probably not. Yet there is another debate at hand. While this actually occurred a few months back, it offers an intriguing question. $3.5 billion dollars of frozen funds were offered to the victims of the 9/11 attacks. Which makes more sense? Obviously the $3.5 billion would probably help more people if they were offered in aid to the Afghan people. As a hypothetical, does it make more sense to help Afghanistan or the 9/11 victims? The Taliban do run Afghanistan now and rule it like thugs and can't even run an economy. Yet, aid would probably reach more people if those funds were unlocked in a structured matter. Who should get the funds?

Did anyone really think something would change from Taliban  #1 ?

Biden  . . .  for shura !

With all of the weaponry that Traitor Joe Biden cowardly surrendered to the enemy...why don't you ask THE TALIBAN IF THE WAR WAS WORTH IT...?

GHETTOBLASTER » 13 Aug 2022, 12:58 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2022, 12:58 pm

With all of the weaponry that Traitor Joe Biden cowardly surrendered to the enemy...why don't you ask THE TALIBAN IF THE WAR WAS WORTH IT...?

You drooling moron! TRUMP signed off on the deal to withdraw, but was too cowardly to carry it out!

Monderegal » 13 Aug 2022, 11:51 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2022, 11:51 am

Obviously the $3.5 billion would probably help more people if they were offered in aid to the Afghan people.

You're  either an islamic terrorist sleeping cell  . . .  or totally retarded !

No amount of money would ever reach the Afghan people !

NOT ONE DIME !

It would all disappear into the Taliban's  pockets !

And, you know  . . .  the more they slaughter each  other  . . .  the better !
That is something  WE  should have done in the 20 years we were there for  NOTHING !

Xavier_Onassis » 13 Aug 2022, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2022, 1:01 pm

You drooling moron! TRUMP signed off on the deal to withdraw, but was too cowardly to carry it out!

TRUMP HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH BIDENs BOTCHED SURRENDER
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME I DARE YOU TO ASK THE FAMILIES OF THE DEAD SOLDIERS THAT CIC BIDENs FOOLISH / INCOMPETENT PLAN KILLED.
 

Xavier_Onassis » 13 Aug 2022, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2022, 1:01 pm

You drooling moron! TRUMP signed off on the deal to withdraw, but was too cowardly to carry it out!

So   . . .   guilty if he did  . . .  guilty if he didn't  !

You **** parasite of society !

Zymarikaphobia » 13 Aug 2022, 1:04 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2022, 1:04 pm

The Generals told him Trump NO. The Generals told Biden NO!
Joe didn't listen!
Joe's decision got 13 service members killed

YOU REALLY ARE IGNORANT!

The deal was already signed off on, imbecile!
How much do you think we would have lose in lives and money has Biden NOT withdrawn.

YOU are the ignoramus!

Zymarikaphobia » 13 Aug 2022, 1:04 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2022, 1:04 pm

Joe's decision got 13 service members killed

YOU REALLY ARE IGNORANT!

And a lot more maimed  . . .  which is even worse !
 

Xavier_Onassis » 13 Aug 2022, 1:13 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2022, 1:13 pm

The deal was already signed off on, imbecile!
How much do you think we would have lose in lives and money has Biden NOT withdrawn.

YOU are the ignoramus!

What you want everyone to believe is that COMMANDER IN CHIEF BIDEN FAITHFULLY FOLLOWED FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMPS EVAC PLAN THAT WAS ALREADY ETCHED IN STONE...!!!
KEEP THOSE RIDICULOULY LIBTARDED POSTS OF YOURS ROLLING..!!!
THEY HAVE GREAT ENTERTAINMENT VALUE...!!!


 

 

Biden honored the commitments made by Trump because the US forces were overwhelmingly outnumbered after Trump withdrew troops. Trump withdrew so many troops that there were not enough to avail the withdrawal. Biden correctly decided that it was advantageous to withdraw as soon as possible, because of the expense and the threat to US troops. He made the right decision at the earliest time.
The 13 servicemen that were killed were NOT killed by the Taliban, but by another terrorist organization that was fighting the Taliban. The odds of evacuation with the loss of fewer troops would have been worse had he waited longer.

You imbeciles know nothing at all,

Monderegal » 13 Aug 2022, 11:51 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2022, 11:51 am

Today marks the one year anniversary of the Taliban regaining control of Afghanistan. Was the war worth it in the end? Probably not. Yet there is another debate at hand. While this actually occurred a few months back, it offers an intriguing question. $3.5 billion dollars of frozen funds were offered to the victims of the 9/11 attacks. Which makes more sense? Obviously the $3.5 billion would probably help more people if they were offered in aid to the Afghan people. As a hypothetical, does it make more sense to help Afghanistan or the 9/11 victims? The Taliban do run Afghanistan now and rule it like thugs and can't even run an economy. Yet, aid would probably reach more people if those funds were unlocked in a structured matter. Who should get the funds?

I say return it to the taliban. But this is not because I think it is the ethical thing 4o do...it is because I see the taliban as fellow enemies of this gay Jewish empire. I have an agenda.

And this means I am actually engaged in political thinking. Your arbitrary utilitarian ethics which dismisses the value of national sovereignty and even the nation itself (which I consider to be unethical in fact)...is merely ethics. It is not politics. 

the decisions of a functional state should be based on concrete realities and concrete solutions. 

No leader of a functional state has ever approached such questions thinking "what is the nicest thing to do here?"...no.. people who think that way can never acquire power. The only correct question for a legitimate leader should be "which action benefits my nation the most"?

In this case obviously the loyalty of 4his state is to the Jewish nation. So I have no doubt that they will make the 'correct' choice choice give this money to Israel in some way (despite the fact Israel was behind 911)

Monderegal » 13 Aug 2022, 11:51 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2022, 11:51 am

Today marks the one year anniversary of the Taliban regaining control of Afghanistan. Was the war worth it in the end? Probably not. Yet there is another debate at hand. While this actually occurred a few months back, it offers an intriguing question. $3.5 billion dollars of frozen funds were offered to the victims of the 9/11 attacks. Which makes more sense? Obviously the $3.5 billion would probably help more people if they were offered in aid to the Afghan people. As a hypothetical, does it make more sense to help Afghanistan or the 9/11 victims? The Taliban do run Afghanistan now and rule it like thugs and can't even run an economy. Yet, aid would probably reach more people if those funds were unlocked in a structured matter. Who should get the funds?

as long as Americans don't get it.  Taxpayer money should never go back to American taxpayers by any route.  It should be sent to Ukraine or Israel or Afghanistan or Iraq

SJConspirator » 13 Aug 2022, 8:45 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2022, 8:45 pm

as long as Americans don't get it.  Taxpayer money should never go back to American taxpayers by any route.  It should be sent to Ukraine or Israel or Afghanistan or Iraq

The question of nationalism and greater need. Many Americans would make the argument that the money is spent here at home. Of course, that is somewhat of an isolationist vantage point. Definitely wasn't true after 9/11 but President Wilson and Roosevelt fought this viewpoint when they entered WW1 and WW2 respectfully. Not my problem?

FOS » 13 Aug 2022, 5:40 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2022, 5:40 pm

I say return it to the taliban. But this is not because I think it is the ethical thing 4o do...it is because I see the taliban as fellow enemies of this gay Jewish empire. I have an agenda.

And this means I am actually engaged in political thinking. Your arbitrary utilitarian ethics which dismisses the value of national sovereignty and even the nation itself (which I consider to be unethical in fact)...is merely ethics. It is not politics. 

the decisions of a functional state should be based on concrete realities and concrete solutions. 

No leader of a functional state has ever approached such questions thinking "what is the nicest thing to do here?"...no.. people who think that way can never acquire power. The only correct question for a legitimate leader should be "which action benefits my nation the most"?

In this case obviously the loyalty of 4his state is to the Jewish nation. So I have no doubt that they will make the 'correct' choice choice give this money to Israel in some way (despite the fact Israel was behind 911)

Well, you do track off a little on your Jewish "enemy" viewpoint but I like your point about utilitarianism.
Afghanistan aid would probably help the most people in the classic Bentham sense. Yet, it would also go to arm the Taliban sense the "which benefits my nation most" also applies to the Taliban. They are also incompetent and corrupt even much beyond America. Nations also act in their own interest typically. It's one of the cardinal rules of realism in foreign policy.

No one should regard the Taliban as anything but anti intellectual religious fanatics that have no business running any country. There is no nation on the planet that recognizes them. And they are very ignorant people, they know nothing of Jews as anything other than enemies of Hamas, the PLO and presumably of Islam, but Jews are no threat to them.

There is no reason to take this idiot Nazi seriously, he is every bit as repulsive as the Taliban.