Dr.Oz getting authoritarian with smokers.

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By Pastafarian
8 Sep 2022 3:26 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
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Cucurbitophobia » 08 Sep 2022, 3:28 pm » wrote: Sounds good to me. Non smoker, never have, never will.
Neither have I but to ban smokers from employment is ridiculous. 
 
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Cucurbitophobia » 08 Sep 2022, 4:06 pm » wrote: Nahh. they are not productive. Always taking smoke breaks.
I got hired at a bank.. A big one? They were more concerned if I smoked? Then if i could add? :die:  that was long- ago... ooh about 1990. lol
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8 Sep 2022 4:21 pm
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There is some justification for smoking to be banned during working hours by some employers for some jobs. But this is not a call for the state or national government to make.
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8 Sep 2022 8:42 pm
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How the **** will they know if someone smokes?
Make them take a cotinine test?
Those are easy to pass,just like all other drug tests are.
Oz is a moron.
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8 Sep 2022 8:58 pm
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This all started when medical insurance got tied in with employment.  People demanded employers cover their employees.  Drug testing came along.  Now workplace drug tests to determine your rates.

Big gov advocates demanded this.  You asked for this.  You got it.
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8 Sep 2022 10:14 pm
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The blue states are the ones pushing this, stupid. Cali outlaws smoking in your own home, if you rent an apartment. 
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Xavier_Onassis » 08 Sep 2022, 4:21 pm » wrote: There is some justification for smoking to be banned during working hours by some employers for some jobs. But this is not a call for the state or national government to make.
Nor are they making it. They are merely allowing employers to do so. 
 
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Squatchman » 08 Sep 2022, 8:42 pm » wrote: How the **** will they know if someone smokes?
Just ask them for a light. If they go for their pocket - buustid.
 
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10 Sep 2022 6:43 am
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Cannonpointer » 08 Sep 2022, 10:14 pm » wrote: The blue states are the ones pushing this, stupid. Cali outlaws smoking in your own home, if you rent an 
That’s one town and it only bans smoking when sharing walls with other residents. 

California isn’t banning people from being gainfully employed. 
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10 Sep 2022 9:44 am
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Dumb position. Almost as dumb as banning menthol cigarettes to reduce black smoking rates.
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Pastafarian » 10 Sep 2022, 6:43 am » wrote:
Cannonpointer » 08 Sep 2022, 10:14 pm » wrote: The blue states are the ones pushing this, stupid. Cali outlaws smoking in your own home, if you rent an
That’s one town and it only bans smoking when sharing walls with other residents.
Or, "live in an apartment" - ****. Image Image

And what about vax naziism? Wanna get a quick mouthful of **** on that one, fruitcake?
Pastafarian » 10 Sep 2022, 6:43 am » wrote: California isn’t banning people from being gainfully employed.
Whatever you drool, skeeter.

How did that mouthful of **** taste? Regular?
 
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10 Sep 2022 11:22 am
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Cannonpointer » 10 Sep 2022, 10:03 am » wrote: Or, "live in an apartment" - ****. Image Image

And what about vax naziism? Wanna get a quick mouthful of **** on that one, fruitcake?

Whatever you drool, skeeter.

How did that mouthful of **** taste? Regular?
Yes, so. Other people share that space with you. 

Lots of apartment buildings are smoke-free now. 

Did you get the vax? No, you were not forced to get it. 

Your victim mentality is laughable. 
 
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Neo » 10 Sep 2022, 9:44 am » wrote: Dumb position. Almost as dumb as banning menthol cigarettes to reduce black smoking rates.
Actually, smoking rates fell after it was banned in restaurants. 

Do, it’s a proven method to curb smoking. 

You race baiters always fall back to that bcuz y’all are dumb as stumps. 
 
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10 Sep 2022 11:41 am
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Pastafarian » 10 Sep 2022, 11:24 am » wrote: Actually, smoking rates fell after it was banned in restaurants. 

Do, it’s a proven method to curb smoking. 

You race baiters always fall back to that bcuz y’all are dumb as stumps.
Restaurants should have had the option to allow smoking. Smoking bans are unconstitutional government interference with private enterprise. 
 
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Neo » 10 Sep 2022, 11:41 am » wrote: Restaurants should have had the option to allow smoking. Smoking bans are unconstitutional government interference with private enterprise.
Deflect, you weak, weak man. 
 
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10 Sep 2022 12:52 pm
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Pastafarian » 10 Sep 2022, 11:55 am » wrote: Deflect, you weak, weak man.
Not a deflection. You support government controlling minutiae like what legal behaviors a private business can allow. Thought America was about freedom? 
 
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LincolnNebraska » 08 Sep 2022, 8:58 pm » wrote: This all started when medical insurance got tied in with employment.  People demanded employers cover their employees.  Drug testing came along.  Now workplace drug tests to determine your rates.

Big gov advocates demanded this.  You asked for this.  You got it.
If you are insured by a group policy, your individual premium will NOT likely be higher than others under the same policy.  Normally rates for group policy are  determined by the percentage of men and women in the group and the average age of members of the group.

They do not normally test workers to establish tobacco users. I have never heard of anyone doing this.

Some life insurance policies ask the applicant if he or she is a smoker, and they take their word for it.
But should the applicant later die of lung cancer and an autopsy reveals that he or she was a smoker, then the company might simply refuse to pay.

Can you name a single insurance company that tests applicants for tobacco use? I bet you cannot.
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10 Sep 2022 5:46 pm
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Neo » 10 Sep 2022, 12:52 pm » wrote: Not a deflection. You support government controlling minutiae like what legal behaviors a private business can allow. Thought America was about freedom?
Only when it affects the health of those around them. 

Second hand smoke is lethal to those around you. 

Freedom to hurt others? I think not. 
 
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Pastafarian » 10 Sep 2022, 5:46 pm » wrote: Only when it affects the health of those around them. 

Second hand smoke is lethal to those around you. 

Freedom to hurt others? I think not.
Others freely associate with smokers. Don't like abortion, don't have one. Don't like smoke, stay out of places that allow it. But no, you need the government all up in small businesses ***, usually at the behest of corporate interests. 
 
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