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If you live inside of a city, you're screwed.  Yes, in a Nuclear war, Urbanites will be incinerated.   However, only those living inside of a 10 mile radius.  In fact, those living just 50 miles from a large city would be completely spared and wouldn't suffer even any bad radiation effects.

So, most of Middle America would be spared.  Unless you live right in a big city, there really is nothing to worry about when it comes to a nuclear war. 

Skans » 12 Sep 2022, 3:02 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2022, 3:02 pm

If you live inside of a city, you're screwed.  Yes, in a Nuclear war, Urbanites will be incinerated.   However, only those living inside of a 10 mile radius.  In fact, those living just 50 miles from a large city would be completely spared and wouldn't suffer even any bad radiation effects.

So, most of Middle America would be spared.  Unless you live right in a big city, there really is nothing to worry about when it comes to a nuclear war.

If you live in Sharon Springs, or Cody, or  Social Circle, or Bogalusa or Meridian or Arkadelphia, a nuclear war will be lots and lots of fun.

Until the food trains and trucks are not coming any more.

Skans » 12 Sep 2022, 3:02 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2022, 3:02 pm

If you live inside of a city, you're screwed.  Yes, in a Nuclear war, Urbanites will be incinerated.   However, only those living inside of a 10 mile radius.  In fact, those living just 50 miles from a large city would be completely spared and wouldn't suffer even any bad radiation effects.

So, most of Middle America would be spared.  Unless you live right in a big city, there really is nothing to worry about when it comes to a nuclear war.

Read a few of these glowing predictions and they run contrary to everything we learned in the cold war. Nuclear war will end all human life, nuclear winter will kill billions.  Recent articles seem to make global thermonuclear war as not only survivable but perhaps a better alternative than waiting for global climate catastrophe.  Removing a couple billions useless eaters might even be something to celebrate. I don't buy the new reports, they seem to be selling the public on nuclear war. 
 

Xavier_Onassis » 12 Sep 2022, 4:49 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2022, 4:49 pm

If you live in Sharon Springs, or Cody, or  Social Circle, or Bogalusa or Meridian or Arkadelphia, a nuclear war will be lots and lots of fun.

Until the food trains and trucks are not coming any more.

KNOWING THAT MILLIONS OF  ILLEGAL ALIEN LOVING TRAITORS LIKE YOU WILL BE CONVERTED TO  PETRIFIED  **** WILL MORE THAN MAKE UP FOR THE INCONVENIENCE...!!!


 

Xavier_Onassis » 12 Sep 2022, 4:49 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2022, 4:49 pm

If you live in Sharon Springs, or Cody, or  Social Circle, or Bogalusa or Meridian or Arkadelphia, a nuclear war will be lots and lots of fun.

Until the food trains and trucks are not coming any more.

Always look at the bright side! At least you will get a quick tan!      
 

https://www.bookseriesinorder.com/g-michael-hopf/

If this subject interests you enough to buy a series of POST APOCOLYPTIC books for your HUNTING LODGE...OR READING MATERIAL FOR YOUR SHTF FALL OUT SHELTER...G Michael Hopf is a very imaginative but believable Story Teller. The USA He envisions THE MORNING AFTER AND IN THE MONTHS TO FOLLOW should be made into a TV Series as far as I'm concerned.
It is best if you read his books in sequence, this is why I posted this link.

GHETTOBLASTER » 12 Sep 2022, 5:48 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2022, 5:48 pm

https://www.bookseriesinorder.com/g-michael-hopf/

If this subject interests you enough to buy a series of POST APOCOLYPTIC books for your HUNTING LODGE...OR READING MATERIAL FOR YOUR SHTF FALL OUT SHELTER...G Michael Hopf is a very imaginative but believable Story Teller. The USA He envisions THE MORNING AFTER AND IN THE MONTHS TO FOLLOW should be made into a TV Series as far as I'm concerned.
It is best if you read his books in sequence, this is why I posted this link.

Robert R Mcammons Swan Song is the best novel on the topic I have read. Little supernatural elements thrown in for good measure but the rest seemed all too plausible. 
 

Neo » 12 Sep 2022, 5:53 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2022, 5:53 pm

Robert R Mcammons Swan Song is the best novel on the topic I have read. Little supernatural elements thrown in for good measure but the rest seemed all too plausible.

Well it looks like this story  involves a rapid "evolution" into Supernatural Beings..which might be entertaining and very imaginative but not what Hopf is "selling" in his books.
 

Xavier_Onassis » 12 Sep 2022, 4:49 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2022, 4:49 pm

If you live in Sharon Springs, or Cody, or  Social Circle, or Bogalusa or Meridian or Arkadelphia, a nuclear war will be lots and lots of fun.

Until the food trains and trucks are not coming any more.

Anyone who is too ill to survive or can't feed themselves would be the first to go....the remaining 8% to 10% would survive on a scale of ok to thrive.  The marginal would become the grunts.


It would be an exciting and interesting time in human history....I know people in Bogalusa, Meridian and Arkadelphia...the mortality rate would be about the same everywhere if the food stopped.  Survival depends on what you know and what you are prepared for. 



 

nefarious101 » 12 Sep 2022, 6:10 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2022, 6:10 pm

Anyone who is too ill to survive or can't feed themselves would be the first to go....the remaining 8% to 10% would survive on a scale of ok to thrive.  The marginal would become the grunts.

It would be an exciting and interesting time in human history....I know people in Bogalusa, Meridian and Arkadelphia...the mortality rate would be about the same everywhere if the food stopped.  Survival depends on what you know and what you are prepared for.

I wonder if fattened transgender women taste like women? Hope not to find out but those chubby miserable **** would be easier to hunt than cattle. 
 

Neo » 12 Sep 2022, 5:01 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2022, 5:01 pm

Read a few of these glowing predictions and they run contrary to everything we learned in the cold war. Nuclear war will end all human life, nuclear winter will kill billions.  Recent articles seem to make global thermonuclear war as not only survivable but perhaps a better alternative than waiting for global climate catastrophe.  Removing a couple billions useless eaters might even be something to celebrate. I don't buy the new reports, they seem to be selling the public on nuclear war.

they are selling a nuclear war because war is a cash cow and it's inevitable.

Greed and stupidity will end this species.

Well it depends on the grade of the weapons. There are low grade nuclear weapons that only affect a small radius and much larger mushroom bombs that can level cities. Still, cyber and biological attacks could be much more dangerous. Makes me support any arms treaty.

Neo » 12 Sep 2022, 6:23 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2022, 6:23 pm

I wonder if fattened transgender women taste like women? Hope not to find out but those chubby miserable **** would be easier to hunt than cattle.

progressive idiocrats will riots and tear up the cities......but that all stops once they try to go rural 

Skans » 12 Sep 2022, 3:02 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2022, 3:02 pm

If you live inside of a city, you're screwed.  Yes, in a Nuclear war, Urbanites will be incinerated.   However, only those living inside of a 10 mile radius.  In fact, those living just 50 miles from a large city would be completely spared and wouldn't suffer even any bad radiation effects.

So, most of Middle America would be spared.  Unless you live right in a big city, there really is nothing to worry about when it comes to a nuclear war.

Don't listen to this.  It is rubbish.  A small tactical nuclear warhead (small one) has a 10 mile radius which is a circle 20 miles across.  This radius is basically a black spot on the Earth.  Glass and otherwise scorched with virtually 100% casualties.  Inside this radius even those moderately sheltered would burn.  Those outside this zone out to about 15 miles from the blast would not fair well.  Glass and debris would be flying around like a tornado.  So this would depend on how well you sheltered in place.  If you sheltered properly you could expect to find many in need of your help.  Radiation exposure would be severe out to about 20 miles.  So again this would depend on how well you sheltered.  But there are prolonged risks of exposure and without knowledge of what you're dealing with most wouldn't last long enough to prosper or proliferate afterwards.

The larger nukes carried on ICBMs and Medium Range Strategic nukes don't have a small 10 mile blast radius. It is more like 25-30 miles. Which is a circle 60 miles across. To give you an idea Birmingham Alabama and Huntsville Alabama are 90 miles apart center to center. Birmingham is in the center of Alabama and Huntsville is at extreme Northern Alabama. If a 10-20 MTon nuke exploded directly between the two cities the blast radius would just touch the city limits of each. Outside this zone wouldn't be very nice either. Lots of debris and very high heat. Fires everywhere. Most everything burned. Radioactive fallout perhaps 45 miles from the epicenter would cause lots of problems. Thereafter, weather patterns would cause further mayhem downwind. This is 1 strategic Nuke and it would essentially take out half the state of Alabama with further problems outside the 60 mile diameter blast zone. And most don't have a clue how to deal with radioactive fallout. So 2 of these would pretty much obliterate Alabama, an average sized state.

So how many nukes are we dealing with. Well the combined blast radii of just the US nukes is enough to cover the entire land surface area of the planet Earth (not counting ocean surface) 100 times over. Russian's quite a bit more at about 150 times the entire land area of the Earth (see book of lists). China not as much but multiple times as well. And there are other nuclear capable nations, all of which can destroy the surface of the earth at least 1X over. There have been reductions so I'm not sure how up-to-date those numbers are, but you get the picture.

Neo » 12 Sep 2022, 6:23 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2022, 6:23 pm

I wonder if fattened transgender women taste like women? Hope not to find out but those chubby miserable **** would be easier to hunt than cattle.

 

Now for the good news. You may have heard about EMP taking out all electronic devices such as the computers in your cars. As it turns out this isn't as much of a problem as initially thought. While the EMP can take out electronic devices, the filtering on almost all car models is sufficient to protect your car's computer and even your home computer (as long as it isn't in the blast zone and physically destroyed). An entire parking lot of cars (about 50 different random models) was subjected to an EMP burst above what it could expect at the edge of the blast zone. All models survived except 1 (Colt). It turns out when they introduced computers into cars they had issues when the spark plugs would fire. The computer clocks had noise pickup (as did the car radios in the 1950's). So for the most part they have some pretty good filters. Good enough to withstand the EMP from a nuke outside the zone were EMP isn't the concern, melting is. So don't buy a Colt and you should be fine.

The electrical grid is another story. While they have been hardening the grid it is slow going. So your computer may be good but your power is most likely out (unless you have solar or something). But what about long-term survival (e.g. children living to an age they can breed). Immediately following such a detonation you would have the presence of radioactive elements. The half-life of a radioactive element is the time it takes for half of the atoms present at STP to naturally decay. For instance if you have 16 lbs of a substance with a half-life of 1 day then half of the substance will have decayed in 1 day resulting in only 8 lbs tomorrow. 4 lbs after day 2. 2 lbs after day 3. 1 lb after day 4 and so on. During the decay process radiation is emitted. So with a short half-life the radiation is VERY lethal. But a short half-life also means it doesn't "hang around" long.
 

Elements will have their radiation levels drop by
10 half-lifes = 1/1000
20 half-lifes = 1/1,000,000
30 half-lifes = 1/1,000,000,000

See this for a list of half-lifes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... _half-life

The most important thing to take away from this is short-half life means LOTS OF RADIATION but for only a SHORT TIME. So immediately following a detonation is the most important time to get sheltered. The radiation levels will drop quickly for the more lethal substances. Elements with long half-lifes don't emit much radiation so they aren't so problematic. However, elements with half-lifes comparable to the human life span are a BIG problem. This is because you can't shelter in place for a life time. You have to surface at some point. For the really bad stuff you can shelter for a couple months and it is largely gone. The mild stuff will be around for 1 million years but not all that harmful. But the stuff comparable to the human life span is quite harmful and it will retain a mild level of lethality. Most notable are elements like

Strontium-90: 29 year HL
Cesium-137: 30 year HL
Uranium 232: 69 year HL
Plutonium-238: 88 year HL

Note: the nuclear material in the warhead is either Plutonium or less likely Uranium. So why does it matter, it should be gone as it produces the blast. Well the thing is, nuclear detonations don't use the material very efficiently and only about 2-4% of the material is consumed in the blast. The rest hangs around slowly poisoning you as your food will inevitably contain trace amounts. 1 tablespoon of Plutonium evenly distributed would kill half of all Americans every 6 months. In other words you would be 50% likely to get cancer during any 6 month period if the 2 tablespoons were evenly distributed. Levels of ingestion shouldn't reach this level, but you will have high mortality rates nonetheless.

Strontium-90 and Cesium-137 are believed to be the most problematic as much of the radioactivity will derive from these two elements. Good thing is, your body doesn't prefer to absorb Strontium and Cesium. Strontium is in the same vertical column of the periodic table as Calcium (column 2). Cesium is in the same column as sodium and potassium (column 1). So if you get plenty of sodium, potassium and calcium in your diet then you can alleviate much of the issues (TUMS and Salts). Without calcium in your diet your body will substitute Strontium for Calcium in your bones and you'll develop bone cancers among others.

In summation, the first generation will be decimated, if not eradicated. Each generation will improve the death rate exponentially and by 10 Half-lifes the radiation will have diminished to 1/1000th of that experienced by generation 1. So the effects of Strontium will limit life spans to about 20 years initially falling off to more tolerable levels to perhaps 40 year lifespans in 29 X 10 = 290 years. Of course it is obvious that should we even survive as a species the impacts would be substantial as 20 years isn't long enough to pass on much knowledge to your offspring or possess any to pass on.

Dogs, cats, rabbits and mice will fair much better as they have a shorter lifespan and require a shorter time period to train their young to survive. Insects will fair even better.

Areas where the soil is rich in calcium and potassium will also do slightly better as the plants too prefer to absorb calcium and potassium and will be less radioactive as a result.


If you are interested, one of the more important things to understand is the distinction between radioactive material and radiation.  Think of every radioactive atom as a tiny light bulb that shines VERY brightly but only one time.  As each atom detonates it emits radiation.  The radiation (highly  concentrated packets of light) is what kills you.  You can protect yourself from this radiation with about 1 foot of water.  For example if you completely covered your shelter with containers of water 1 foot wide above below and on top and bottom the radiation from the atomic detonations OUTSIDE your shelter would be shielded.  HOWEVER, if you allow the radioactive dust to get INSIDE your shelter then when the atoms detonated INSIDE your shelter you wouldn't be protected.  So you also need a filter of some kind to keep the radioactive dust OUTSIDE while allowing oxygen in.  Good thing is, it doesn't take that much to filter out the dust.  An S-shaped tube stuffed with cotton with a fan to pull oxygen through is enough.  So lets say you dipped a 10,000 gallon tank into a pool of water.  All you would need is a pipe for air with some bends stuffed with filtering material and you'd be pretty good as long as you had food to last the first 3 to 6 months while the radiation levels are at their worst.  After you surface solar panels would be a big benefit as would Calcium and Sodium/Potassium.