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the outward expression of political beliefs is a manifestation of two things

1.  The character of the individual, and his/her natural inclinations 

2.  The submissiveness and/or intellectual laziness of the individual

those in the US who identify with either major party (Dems or Repubs) and spew their talking points, display the second point I mentioned.  Independents show more of the first.

those who lean more conservative somehow identify with Republicans, despite the Overton window being dragged so far that 1970s liberals were more conservative on social issues than todays Republicans.  They also suffer from two major flaws; lack of imagination and worship of individualism.

I grew up in the 1980s, I saw action movies where Rambo or Bruce Lee or Arnold Schwarzenegger Commando defeats and kills entire military bases of bad guys, displaying the power of the mighty individual over a group.  This theme was totally absent from American film from the 1930s thru the late 1960s, then exploded in the 70s and 80s when it became ubiquitous in ALL Hollywood action films.

I wonder if the time frame in question correlates with a certain ethnic group gaining total control of Hollywood.. but I digress.

this shift in film, to downplay collectivism while glorifying individualism was in part, an attempt to brainwash an entire generation.. my generation.  


 
 

Conservatives, more than anyone, bought this notion that individualism is so awesome, it rocks so much, that there can be no downside. But there is. Individualism is simply not compatible with a healthy society. It promotes competition over cooperation to the point that there is zero cooperation.. and that leads to chaos.

We see the results of that today in the incredible crime spike, senseless crimes, random shootings that are not borne of organized thought, or greed, but come from a breakdown of the most simple elements of civility; interdependence, collectivism, community.

the culmination of 50 years of worshipping only two virtues at the exclusion of all others .. materialism and individualism.  Rising chaos, mental health and addiction crisis, road rage, exploding gun violence.

This is happening in ALL MAJOR US CITIES
 
 
 

The other fatal flaw; lack of imagination.

The founding fathers had to imagine the Constitution before they could write it or implement it.

But conservatives today cannot imagine any life being possible but the one they see. They cannot imagine any thing better. That lack of imagination even prevents them from seeing the obvious truth of my first point.. that they have been brainwashed by the culture to believe individualism the whole coin, rather than just being the flip side of collectivism.

If competition and cooperation cannot be brought back into proper balance, this country is doomed. It will slowly deteriorate into garbage filled shanty towns like what we see in Haiti and the worst slums of Africa.

A collective of weak individuals is worthless, just look at the Russian Army or the poor confused but united dregs on Castro Street. A collective of strong individuals is near unstoppable, see the delta force or the Taliban for examples. Rambo needed a team to succeed in all his films except for the first one.

Neo » 01 Nov 2022, 7:13 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2022, 7:13 pm

A collective of weak individuals is worthless, just look at the Russian Army or the poor confused but united dregs on Castro Street. A collective of strong individuals is near unstoppable, see the delta force or the Taliban for examples. Rambo needed a team to succeed in all his films except for the first one.

a group of weak collectivists will cooperate and survive

A bunch of strong individualists will simply kill each other
 

The tendency to worship individualism and spit on collectivism ensures that no revolution will ever happen, as revolutions are always done by a group.

No individual ever overthrows an entire nation single handedly, no matter how many Jason Stratham movies you watch.
 

SJConspirator » 02 Nov 2022, 12:21 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022, 12:21 am

The tendency to worship individualism and spit on collectivism ensures that no revolution will ever happen, as revolutions are always done by a group.

No individual ever overthrows and entire nation single handedly, no matter how many Jason Stratham movies you watch.

Bingo. If you're looking for the balance between individualism and collectivism in a healthy society, look at a loaf of bread.

Individualism = yeast.
Collectivism = wheat. 
Fetishiing individualism = gay as a mother **** - and I'm not talking Saturday night gay.

I'm talking *** dick gay - felcher gay - blow a guy and then make him a sandwich gay. and the vast majority of conjobs on this board are that gay. Zeets and skans, right off the top. Deplorable is deep in negro panties. Between **** stains that don't know a boar from a sow, and ayn rand dick suckers who think labor unions are a threat to democracy, we've got ourselves a pretty **** gay board. 

Viva Fidel, mother **** and other ****. 

Neo » 01 Nov 2022, 7:13 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2022, 7:13 pm

A collective of weak individuals is worthless, just look at the Russian Army or the poor confused but united dregs on Castro Street. A collective of strong individuals is near unstoppable, see the delta force or the Taliban for examples. Rambo needed a team to succeed in all his films except for the first one.

Delta force DOESN'T EXIST without REMFs galore, ***. Those "strong individuals" don't make a gnat's **** without desk jockeys and **** file clerks.

From the castro and the russian **** army. 

The one thing - and one ONLY - that every empire has in common is a powerful bureaucracy. Powerful armies? Sometimes. Brilliant statesmen? SOMETIMES. Prodigious bureaucracies? EVERY time. 

Everything cons believe is either wrong in toto, misapplied, or way over-stated. 
 
 
 

SJConspirator » 01 Nov 2022, 6:30 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2022, 6:30 pm

the outward expression of political beliefs is a manifestation of two things

1.  The character of the individual, and his/her natural inclinations 

2.  The submissiveness and/or intellectual laziness of the individual

those in the US who identify with either major party (Dems or Repubs) and spew their talking points, display the second point I mentioned.  Independents show more of the first.

those who lean more conservative somehow identify with Republicans, despite the Overton window being dragged so far that 1970s liberals were more conservative on social issues than todays Republicans.  They also suffer from two major flaws; lack of imagination and worship of individualism.

I grew up in the 1980s, I saw action movies where Rambo or Bruce Lee or Arnold Schwarzenegger Commando defeats and kills entire military bases of bad guys, displaying the power of the mighty individual over a group.  This theme was totally absent from American film from the 1930s thru the late 1960s, then exploded in the 70s and 80s when it became ubiquitous in ALL Hollywood action films.

I wonder if the time frame in question correlates with a certain ethnic group gaining total control of Hollywood.. but I digress.

this shift in film, to downplay collectivism while glorifying individualism was in part, an attempt to brainwash an entire generation.. my generation.  

conservative politicians seem to take issues that many people really care about...and then pretend to fight for them and lose gracefully. Meanwhile, they preach to everyone how 'unethical' it is to engage in any action that might have a chance of actually acquiring power. THe republican party is basically all grifters acting in bad faith.

Neo » 01 Nov 2022, 7:13 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2022, 7:13 pm

A collective of weak individuals is worthless, just look at the Russian Army or the poor confused but united dregs on Castro Street. A collective of strong individuals is near unstoppable, see the delta force or the Taliban for examples. Rambo needed a team to succeed in all his films except for the first one.

useless? Go try to defeat the russian army by yourself lol

SJConspirator » 01 Nov 2022, 6:30 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2022, 6:30 pm

the outward expression of political beliefs is a manifestation of two things

1.  The character of the individual, and his/her natural inclinations 

2.  The submissiveness and/or intellectual laziness of the individual

those in the US who identify with either major party (Dems or Repubs) and spew their talking points, display the second point I mentioned.  Independents show more of the first.

those who lean more conservative somehow identify with Republicans, despite the Overton window being dragged so far that 1970s liberals were more conservative on social issues than todays Republicans.  They also suffer from two major flaws; lack of imagination and worship of individualism.

I grew up in the 1980s, I saw action movies where Rambo or Bruce Lee or Arnold Schwarzenegger Commando defeats and kills entire military bases of bad guys, displaying the power of the mighty individual over a group.  This theme was totally absent from American film from the 1930s thru the late 1960s, then exploded in the 70s and 80s when it became ubiquitous in ALL Hollywood action films.

I wonder if the time frame in question correlates with a certain ethnic group gaining total control of Hollywood.. but I digress.

this shift in film, to downplay collectivism while glorifying individualism was in part, an attempt to brainwash an entire generation.. my generation.  


 
 

without intellectual conservatives corruption wouldn't last historically forward as it has ancestrally practiced currently moving forward training each great great grandchild in the homo sapiens' species the show must go on until extinction event occurs on the rotation of the planet never another great great grandchild is delivered again as those already born.

My brain constantly navigated 6 degrees of deflection since I was an infant male, but it took me occupying the moment 56 revolutions around the planet to figure out a way to debunk every reality with one talking point since nobody else ever tried.

Damn it is so easier to detect deniers dedicated to the proposal nobody can prove or disprove anything with facts allowed in a court of law.

SJConspirator » 01 Nov 2022, 6:35 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2022, 6:35 pm

Conservatives, more than anyone, bought this notion that individualism is so awesome, it rocks so much, that there can be no downside. But there is. Individualism is simply not compatible with a healthy society. It promotes competition over cooperation to the point that there is zero cooperation.. and that leads to chaos...
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...more worthless ism  jism from a butthurt nazi dummy who is unaware/unconscious of the PROFOUND distinction between forced/coerced 'collectivjism' and voluntary/mutually agreeable 'collectivijism'... lame. republicrat-level. authoriTARDian. monetary ignoramus. wordle.    

FOS » 02 Nov 2022, 2:00 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022, 2:00 am

useless? Go try to defeat the russian army by yourself lol

...try fighting an army of truly free people who WANT to fight with an army of your 'collectivist' slaves, monetary ignoramus...

SJConspirator » 01 Nov 2022, 7:33 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2022, 7:33 pm

a group of weak collectivists will cooperate and survive

A bunch of strong individualists will simply kill each other

...again ism   jism ^^^ dummy fails to acknowledge any distinction between forced collectivism vs. voluntary collectivism...just another lame, slave-mentality, republicrat-level monetary ignoramus....     

I grew up in the 1980s, I saw action movies where Rambo or Bruce Lee or Arnold Schwarzenegger Commando defeats and kills entire military bases of bad guys, displaying the power of the mighty individual over a group.  This theme was totally absent from American film from the 1930s thru the late 1960s, then exploded in the 70s and 80s when it became ubiquitous in ALL Hollywood action films.

I wonder if the time frame in question correlates with a certain ethnic group gaining total control of Hollywood.. but I digress.

this shift in film, to downplay collectivism while glorifying individualism was in part, an attempt to brainwash an entire generation.. my generation.  

why does someone entirely ignorant of American culture speak for American culture?

Horatio Alger was the son of a Unitarian minister

James Jewell (Jack Armstrong- All American Boy) was Irish.

Nathaniel West, who skewered the genre in A Cool Million, was a jew.

In the late 50s and early 60s Jewish writers and actors were blacklisted for "collectivist sympathies".

Lee and Stallone made their marks starring in movies they wrote. 



 

Blackvegetable » 02 Nov 2022, 8:09 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022, 8:09 am

why does someone entirely ignorant of American culture speak for American culture?

Horatio Alger was the son of a Unitarian minister

James Jewell (Jack Armstrong- All American Boy) was Irish.

Nathaniel West, who skewered the genre in A Cool Million, was a jew.

In the late 50s and early 60s Jewish writers and actors were blacklisted for "collectivist sympathies".

Lee and Stallone made their marks starring in movies they wrote.

did you just call me ignorant, you **** jerk?

Im sure there were a few Jews in Hollywood who went “off the reservation”.  I still believe there was a concerted effort to shape the culture of a whole country using mass entertainment, centered in Hollywood, organized largely by Jews
 

SJConspirator » 02 Nov 2022, 8:13 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022, 8:13 am

did you just call me ignorant, you **** jerk?

Im sure there were a few Jews in Hollywood who went “off the reservation”.  I still believe there was a concerted effort to shape the culture of a whole country using mass entertainment, centered in Hollywood, organized largely by Jews

Bv is trying to argue jews don't dominate Hollywood? Lol...ignore this retard 

Cannonpointer » 02 Nov 2022, 1:22 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022, 1:22 am

Bingo. If you're looking for the balance between individualism and collectivism in a healthy society, look at a loaf of bread.

Individualism = yeast.
Collectivism = wheat. 
Fetishiing individualism = gay as a mother **** - and I'm not talking Saturday night gay.

I'm talking *** dick gay - felcher gay - blow a guy and then make him a sandwich gay. and the vast majority of conjobs on this board are that gay. Zeets and skans, right off the top. Deplorable is deep in negro panties. Between **** stains that don't know a boar from a sow, and ayn rand dick suckers who think labor unions are a threat to democracy, we've got ourselves a pretty **** gay board. 

Viva Fidel, mother **** and other ****.

what makes them gay is how they are willing to reduce this once great country to a vast landscape containing nothing except piles of garbage, drug addicted zombies shuffling about, outbursts of random violence, wasted commodities rotting in warehouses and urban ruins.

sacrificing all to preserve their childish fantasy of being the ultimate rugged individualist.
 
 
 

SJConspirator » 01 Nov 2022, 6:30 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Nov 2022, 6:30 pm

the outward expression of political beliefs is a manifestation of two things

1.  The character of the individual, and his/her natural inclinations 

2.  The submissiveness and/or intellectual laziness of the individual

those in the US who identify with either major party (Dems or Repubs) and spew their talking points, display the second point I mentioned.  Independents show more of the first.

those who lean more conservative somehow identify with Republicans, despite the Overton window being dragged so far that 1970s liberals were more conservative on social issues than todays Republicans.  They also suffer from two major flaws; lack of imagination and worship of individualism.

I grew up in the 1980s, I saw action movies where Rambo or Bruce Lee or Arnold Schwarzenegger Commando defeats and kills entire military bases of bad guys, displaying the power of the mighty individual over a group.  This theme was totally absent from American film from the 1930s thru the late 1960s, then exploded in the 70s and 80s when it became ubiquitous in ALL Hollywood action films.

I wonder if the time frame in question correlates with a certain ethnic group gaining total control of Hollywood.. but I digress.

this shift in film, to downplay collectivism while glorifying individualism was in part, an attempt to brainwash an entire generation.. my generation.  


 

I am a Conservative and a life long Republican. I do not like the platform of the Libertarians, mainly because I do not believe in legalizing drugs.  I like what the Constitutional Party stands for on paper, but it seems to be run by total idiots. I constantly evaluate the different parties (just like I constantly evaluate different search engines) but the Republican platform and those who are members align most closely with how I want America to be lead.

People who call Republicans "intellectually lazy" are just disgruntled.  They are angry because most of us Republicans do not hold their world view or the same vision for our country.   They tend to be radical socialists and collectivists.  I have no interest in any of that ****.  I don't want to align myself with people of that vision. They want more  government, more government control over what I have, what I do, what I say, what I like, where I go and how I live.  They offer nothing at all compelling for me to switch from being a Republican to whatever party they envision themselves leading.
 

Skans » 02 Nov 2022, 8:50 am » wrote: ↑

02 Nov 2022, 8:50 am

ns, mainly because I do not believe in legalizing drugs.  

They want more  government, more government control over what I have, what I do, what I say, what I like, where I go and how I live.  They offer nothing at all compelling for me to switch from being a Republican to whatever party they envision themselves leading.

So, you don’t like government control, but you want the government telling me what to put in my body?