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Known loosely as the Mariupol plan, after the strategically vital port city, it called for the creation of an autonomous republic in Ukraine’s east, giving Putin effective control of the country’s industrial heartland, where Kremlin-armed, -funded and -directed “separatists” were waging a two-year-old shadow war that had left nearly 10,000 dead. The new republic’s leader would be none other than Yanukovych. The trade-off: “peace” for a broken and subservient Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/maga ... e-war.html

Noooooo....NATO......Nazis...Ukraine is not a country!


**** morons.


@Cannonpointer  

@SJConspirator  

@Neo  

 

Even now, some influential voices in American politics, mostly but not entirely on the right, are suggesting that Ukraine make concessions of sovereignty similar to those contained in Kilimnik’s plan, which the nation’s leaders categorically reject.


ibid.


How can I be more useful, Vladdy?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/18/us/p ... icans.html



Kev,

I'm your Daddy.....stop sending arms to Ukraine....and while you're down there, buff my balls.

As Manafort rose to become Trump’s campaign chairman — and as Russian operatives were hacking Democratic Party servers — the candidate took stances on the region that were advantageous to Putin’s ambitions for Ukraine. Ahead of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in July, Trump shocked the American foreign-policy establishment by voicing only tepid support for NATO. He also told aides that he didn’t believe it was worth risking “World War III” to defend Ukraine against Russia, according to the Senate intelligence report released in the summer of 2020.

Ibid.

Lost souls are created when a person gives away their sole biological time being equally alive now for a dream state of mind intellect exceeds a body's displacement forever.

Guess how dishonest sole corrupt each generation added to population one great great grandchild at a time sustaining last 5 generations added since inception of their relative DNA streaming reproductions amounting to over 7.8 billion occupying space specifically here pretending life exceeds their genetic time evolving here now.

Who you calling idiots and morons to morans. You fooled yourself first and last to recognize what you did to yourself.

Ukraine is part of Russia as much as Texas is part of the U.S. deal with it, homo globalist

SJConspirator » 07 Nov 2022, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2022, 9:35 am

Ukraine is part of Russia as much as Texas is part of the U.S. deal with it, homo globalist

geographically yes, ancestrally no.

SJConspirator » 07 Nov 2022, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2022, 9:35 am

Ukraine is part of Russia as much as Texas is part of the U.S. deal with it, homo globalist

As with everything else you spout, it is entirely uninformed.

I won't labor my own qualifications.

Or the fact that Ukraine has its own language AND alphabet...

I'll just point to the fact that, as Ukranians, they are fending off the largest military force on the continent, in the interest of remaining Ukranians.

And, of course, emphasize the fact that you're a slack jawed simpleton.
 

Blackvegetable » 07 Nov 2022, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2022, 9:47 am

As with everything else you spout, it is entirely uninformed.

I won't labor my own qualifications.

Or the fact that Ukraine has its own language AND alphabet...

I'll just point to the fact that, as Ukranians, they are fending off the largest military force on the continent, in the interest of remaining Ukranians.

And, of course, emphasize the fact that you're a slack jawed simpleton.
 

sjc's uninformed is equal to your uniformed denial of how life processes ancestrally in real time evolving as genetics changes people left among last 5 generations mutually evolving forward one at a time.

Blackvegetable » 07 Nov 2022, 8:12 am » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2022, 8:12 am

Known loosely as the Mariupol plan, after the strategically vital port city, it called for the creation of an autonomous republic in Ukraine’s east, giving Putin effective control of the country’s industrial heartland, where Kremlin-armed, -funded and -directed “separatists” were waging a two-year-old shadow war that had left nearly 10,000 dead. The new republic’s leader would be none other than Yanukovych. The trade-off: “peace” for a broken and subservient Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/maga ... e-war.html

Noooooo....NATO......Nazis...Ukraine is not a country!

**** morons.

@Cannonpointer  

@SJConspirator  

@Neo

Why did nato expand after the collapse of the Soviet Union? You are talking about actions Russia took for it's own vital security interests decades after nato began it's eastward march. 
 

Neo » 07 Nov 2022, 10:18 am » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2022, 10:18 am

Why did nato expand after the collapse of the Soviet Union? You are talking about actions Russia took for it's own vital security interests decades after nato began it's eastward march. 
 

Because communism didn't go away because the wall came down. it regrouped after. Remember passive aggression is done psychologically, invade, infest, evade, implode the old ideology while everyone is busy protecting everyone else.

Neo » 07 Nov 2022, 10:18 am » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2022, 10:18 am

Why did nato expand after the collapse of the Soviet Union? You are talking about actions Russia took for it's own vital security interests decades after nato began it's eastward march.

"Security" is why Il Duce invaded Abbisynia.

Blackvegetable » 07 Nov 2022, 10:24 am » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2022, 10:24 am

"Security" is why Il Duce invaded Abbisynia.

securing denial has a natural enemy unseen every generation? Life doesn't exceed evolving forward now. it is an eternal changing total sum of everything here natural balancing development, you ignore same as those arguing against your side being in charge tomorrow.

Only 1 more day, boys! And The child molesters (dimocrats) lose their Monopoly in DC

No more blank checks to the Ukrainian Nazis!!

Blackvegetable » 07 Nov 2022, 10:24 am » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2022, 10:24 am

"Security" is why Il Duce invaded Abbisynia.

Russia didn't choose to expand nato, an alliance formed to counter Soviet aggression, for 35 years after there was no more Soviet Union. That is on us. 
 

Neo » 07 Nov 2022, 10:54 am » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2022, 10:54 am

Russia didn't choose to expand nato, an alliance formed to counter Soviet aggression, for 35 years after there was no more Soviet Union. That is on us.

The reason Putin is at war is because he wants to expand Russia....further into Ukraine.

It has NOTHING to do with NATO.
 

Blackvegetable » 07 Nov 2022, 8:12 am » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2022, 8:12 am

Known loosely as the Mariupol plan, after the strategically vital port city, it called for the creation of an autonomous republic in Ukraine’s east, giving Putin effective control of the country’s industrial heartland, where Kremlin-armed, -funded and -directed “separatists” were waging a two-year-old shadow war that had left nearly 10,000 dead. The new republic’s leader would be none other than Yanukovych. The trade-off: “peace” for a broken and subservient Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/02/maga ... e-war.html

The NYT? SERIOUSLY?            

On April 15, the Biden administration acknowledged there was no evidence that Russia ever offered bounties on American troops in Afghanistan, walking back a report that wounded former President Donald Trump in the run-up to the 2020 election. 
 
Four days later, the Washington, DC, medical examiner revealed that Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick had not been murdered by rampaging Trump supporters during the Jan. 6 Capitol Hill riot, as reports had claimed, but had died of natural causes.  Both stories were based on anonymous, unidentifiable sources, but had become deeply enmeshed in the public consciousness. Both confirmed the assumptions of the nation’s left-leaning media and academic elite, while damaging their political enemies. 

 And both were driven by The New York Times, where malicious misreporting has been the practice for a century, argues journalist and media commentator Ashley Rindsberg. “My research churned up not mere errors or inaccuracies but whole-cloth falsehoods,” Rindsberg writes in “The Gray Lady Winked” (Midnight Oil), out now, which examines how the nation’s premier media outlet manipulates what we think is the news. 

 The “fabrications and distortions” he found in the Times’ coverage of major stories from Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia to Vietnam and the Iraq War “were never the product of simple error,” Rindsberg contends. 

 “Rather, they were the byproduct of a particular kind of system, a truth-producing machine” constructed to twist facts into a pattern of the Times’ own choosing, he says. Rindsberg argues that Times reporters have followed the same playbook since the 1920s. 

 Star reporters cite fuzzily identified sources and make sweeping assertions to support a narrative aligned with the corporate whims, economic needs and political preferences of the patriarchal Ochs-Sulzberger family, which has helmed the operation since 1896, he writes. The chosen narrative, reinforced from multiple angles, is entrenched through a network of stories over time. 

https://nypost.com/2021/05/08/how-the-n ... narrative/
 
 
 

Neo » 07 Nov 2022, 10:18 am » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2022, 10:18 am

Why did nato expand after the collapse of the Soviet Union? You are talking about actions Russia took for it's own vital security interests decades after nato began it's eastward march.

His expert source for what he is instructed to believe is the new york times. He cannot explain his agenda, as it is not HIS agenda.

Blackvegetable » 07 Nov 2022, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2022, 9:47 am

As with everything else you spout, it is entirely uninformed.

I won't labor my own qualifications.
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Your only qualification is a midwit's worship of the new york times, fruitcake.

Having been walked through Dostoyevsky by a world weary professor who despised you isn't a qualification.