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Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2022, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 3:05 pm

That is why EVERY capitalist society practices socialism. Well - ONE of the reasons. 

Capitalism and socialism are both state-sponsored economic systems. They are traveling companions - like love and marriage. They go together like a horse and carriage. This I'll tell ya, brother: Ya can't have one without the other. 
 

not really. Capitalism is simply economic means to make commerce standardize between communities in this atmosphere. It is about easier ways to trade.

Socialism is about creating rank gets exemptions over those dying to keep reality working all 5 generation gaps present. It is where the idea of senirity came from.

First generation isn't the last generation when between the two comes 3 other generation gaps each last generation evolves through cradle to grave as genetics eternally separates reproductions native to this atmosphere naturally timed apart now..

roadkill » 20 Nov 2022, 12:47 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:47 pm

   
I guess write-in-candidate cacksucker peepee and his (((monetary ignorance))) didn't want to weigh in on this one.    

WOW! You really scored a Trifecta, son! You got to rip Biden, Commies and Soschlism all in one video!  
Now get ready for a good rippin by PeePee! hee hee  
 

roadkill » 20 Nov 2022, 3:51 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 3:51 pm

It is what it is...not what cheaters exploit.

It is what "cheaters exploit," actually. 

omh » 20 Nov 2022, 4:20 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 4:20 pm

not really. Capitalism is simply economic means to make commerce standardize between communities in this atmosphere. It is about easier ways to trade.

Socialism is about creating rank gets exemptions over those dying to keep reality working all 5 generation gaps present. It is where the idea of senirity came from.

First generation isn't the last generation when between the two comes 3 other generation gaps each last generation evolves through cradle to grave as genetics eternally separates reproductions native to this atmosphere naturally timed apart now..

Finally one of you people distinguishes capitalism from socialism.

Just the right person to do it, too. The rest of you? Take notes.

This is what it looks like when capitalism evolves in plain sight.

FOS » 20 Nov 2022, 4:05 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 4:05 pm

wrong. the primary cause of the recession was alterations of the community reinvestment act, which FORCED banks to give loans to black people, even if they had bad credit.

if banks were allowed to deal with credit scores objectively, then their high risk adventures probably would have worked fine.

But the bankers made the laws that "forced" them. It's all puppeteering from top to bottom. 

Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2022, 4:31 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 4:31 pm

Finally one of you people distinguishes capitalism from socialism.

Just the right person to do it, too. The rest of you? Take notes.

This is what it looks like when capitalism evolves in plain sight.

I think my definition was Damm good

FOS » 20 Nov 2022, 4:59 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 4:59 pm

I think my definition was Damm good

I'm rolling with omh's - whatever it was.

I feel it was inevitable that omh was going to have the last word on the "true" definition of capitalism. 

omh » 20 Nov 2022, 9:53 am » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 9:53 am

the idea of capitalism is everyone benefits in the same economic system.

Capitalizing is creating rank gets the privileges those not in command of the power of suggestion pay those directing social outcomes until extinction event occurs ending life limited to last 5 generations currently changing ancestors in plain sight..

We take your **** gibberish for what it is.

Occasionally you're a funny retard  . . .   mostly  . . .  just a retard.

Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2022, 4:30 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 4:30 pm

It is what "cheaters exploit," actually. 

I know the answer to that question beyond any established shadow of doubt composed in theory or theology, historically or current events including every social order making up any reality ever governing people to believe tomorrow actually arrives because the planet rotations constantly..

Jinn Martini » 20 Nov 2022, 5:05 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 5:05 pm

We take your **** gibberish for what it is.

Occasionally you're a funny retard  . . .   mostly  . . .  just a retard.

no you don't, I am completely honest about the kinetics to compounding DNA transfers changing current population replacing all ancestry to date without a missing link intellectually introduced by those misleading everyone else cradle to grave all 5 generations alive..

Monderegal » 20 Nov 2022, 1:12 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 1:12 pm

I can explain the great recession briefly if it would help. 

Spare us your crap, will you !

Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2022, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 3:05 pm

That is why EVERY capitalist society practices socialism. Well - ONE of the reasons. 

Capitalism and socialism are both state-sponsored economic systems. They are traveling companions - like love and marriage. They go together like a horse and carriage. This I'll tell ya, brother: Ya can't have one without the other.

I would contend you are arguing for the current mixed system and not pure socialism or capitalism. Socialism is when the government controls the means of production. This is also called central planning and has resulted in complete failure and is primarily only practiced in North Korea now. Capitalism is also in its purist form a right to private property. All means of production are privately owned and the government is not allowed to interfere in markets. This actually was supported by the Supreme Court for a time in the early Progressive era during the Gilded Age but was stepped back due to abuse. Back then under Capitalism you could be paid 50 cents a day to drive stacks in the railroad or mine coal and were expected to like it and support it. This type of laissiez faire Capitalism is practiced nowhere now. Capitalism still exists and the Blockbusters of the world can still fail due to market forces.
Banks are different because in many ways they are critical infrastructure. That's why they were defended although they do have a lot of lobbyists in Washington too. The truth is more complicated but Capitalism is not state sponsored in its pure form, just in the mixed systems that exist in much of the world today.

roadkill » 20 Nov 2022, 1:58 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 1:58 pm

"God's money"...He meant the intrinsic value.  Precious metals have a usefulness...funny money does not.

Saving banks or any other businesses that aren't efficient is the opposite of capitalism.

It's also the fight between being practical and being idealistic. Perhaps there is some ideal that the banks should have been allowed to fail under the hypothesis that it is what should allowed to happen in an open market. There's also something to say about a global market crash that it would entail allowing that to happen. Lehman Brothers was also allowed to fail so that is pretty much the manner in which the US government dealt with it. 

 

Monderegal » 20 Nov 2022, 5:33 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 5:33 pm

It's also the fight between being practical and being idealistic. Perhaps there is some ideal that the banks should have been allowed to fail under the hypothesis that it is what should allowed to happen in an open market. There's also something to say about a global market crash that it would entail allowing that to happen. Lehman Brothers was also allowed to fail so that is pretty much the manner in which the US government dealt with it.

TLDR

Monderegal » 20 Nov 2022, 5:27 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 5:27 pm

I would contend you are arguing for the current mixed system and not pure socialism or capitalism. Socialism is when the government controls the means of production. This is also called central planning and has resulted in complete failure and is primarily only practiced in North Korea now. Capitalism is also in its purist form a right to private property. All means of production are privately owned and the government is not allowed to interfere in markets. This actually was supported by the Supreme Court for a time in the early Progressive era during the Gilded Age but was stepped back due to abuse. Back then under Capitalism you could be paid 50 cents a day to drive stacks in the railroad or mine coal and were expected to like it and support it. This type of laissiez faire Capitalism is practiced nowhere now. Capitalism still exists and the Blockbusters of the world can still fail due to market forces.
Banks are different because in many ways they are critical infrastructure. That's why they were defended although they do have a lot of lobbyists in Washington too. The truth is more complicated but Capitalism is not state sponsored in its pure form, just in the mixed systems that exist in much of the world today.

your mind was conceptualized after birth, your brain evolved from nucleus of your fertilized cell to the unique brain of your specific DNA configuration occupying space while eternally separated now as one of a kind ignoring the total sum of your behavior limited to self evident results in plain sight.

You rather die serving dead philosophers than rescue your own ancestry from corruption dating back to dawn of civilization.

Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2022, 4:36 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 4:36 pm

But the bankers made the laws that "forced" them. It's all puppeteering from top to bottom. 

Representatives legislated laws favoring the controlling commerce and in doing so broke their pledge to the electorate that put them in office. This country's "Constitution" was to prevent that from taking place and it did anyway within a century of its ratified Constitution.

Monderegal » 20 Nov 2022, 5:27 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 5:27 pm

The truth is more complicated but Capitalism is not state sponsored in its pure form, just in the mixed systems that exist in much of the world today.

No, it's state sponsored. Creating and regulating a trading board is sponsorship. So is statecraft designed to sell wall street's weapons and security systems. 

The name of the economic system that is NOT state sponsored - that does NOT rely on the teat - is Free Enterprise.

Midwits conflate free enterprise with capitalism, but that is just midwittery in action. Here y'go:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5388&p=237077&hilit ... se#p237077

 
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A
 

roadkill » 20 Nov 2022, 6:45 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 6:45 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A

Great Wall of China: Government bureaus
Coast to coast electric grid Government bureaus
Man on the Moon Government bureaus
Freeway system Government bureaus
Atomic energy Government bureaus
City of Brazilia Government bureaus
Blue Ridge Parkway Government bureaus
The irrigation projects of EVERY early civilization Government bureaus
St. John's Cathedral Government bureaus
The jet engine Government bureaus

Friedman's claim is simply pants-on-fire false. A private family built St. Marks. Ford Motor Company was indeed the private achievement of old Hank Ford. Monsieur Eiffel HIMSELF not only designed the Eiffel tower, but paid for its construction. But it is the Dutch GOVERNMENT that reclaims land from the sea and builds the seawalls that protect it. It was the GOVERNMENT of Dubai that built Palm Jumeirah, the palm-island city reclaimed from the sea.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4e/bf/e9/4ebf ... ai-uae.jpg

The reason that Alexander's empire crumbled on his death and the empire of Rome succeeded for centuries comes down to one thing only: government bureaus. The reason tiny Britain controlled massive India for centuries comes down to government bureaus. 

Friedman was talking populist either/or nonsense. When it comes to government, whether the jew be rand or marx or friedman, don't be advised by that lot. They are invariably full of ****, designing their lies for simple ears to the end of dividing and weakening the goyim. Marx and Rand were polar opposites - and both were full of pure ****. 
 

Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2022, 7:21 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 7:21 pm

Great Wall of China: Government bureaus
Coast to coast electric grid Government bureaus
Man on the Moon Government bureaus
Freeway system Government bureaus
Atomic energy Government bureaus
City of Brazilia Government bureaus
Blue Ridge Parkway Government bureaus
The irrigation projects of EVERY early civilization Government bureaus
St. John's Cathedral Government bureaus
The jet engine Government bureaus

Friedman's claim is simply pants-on-fire false. A private family built St. Marks. Ford Motor Company was indeed the private achievement of old Hank Ford. Monsieur Eiffel HIMSELF not only designed the Eiffel tower, but paid for its construction. But it is the Dutch GOVERNMENT that reclaims land from the sea and builds the seawalls that protect it. It was the GOVERNMENT of Dubai that built Palm Jumeirah, the palm-island city reclaimed from the sea.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4e/bf/e9/4ebf ... ai-uae.jpg

The reason that Alexander's empire crumbled on his death and the empire of Rome succeeded for centuries comes down to one thing only: government bureaus. The reason tiny Britain controlled massive India for centuries comes down to government bureaus. 

Friedman was talking populist either/or nonsense. When it comes to government, whether the jew be rand or marx or friedman, don't be advised by that lot. They are invariably full of ****, designing their lies for simple ears to the end of dividing and weakening the goyim. Marx and Rand were polar opposites - and both were full of pure ****.

TLDR