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I felt a need to comment on this general nonsense...common among leftist media...especially after getting banned from a pg thread for scoffing at it...and I'm not sure the poster understood my point. 

it's supposed to be a big deal that Trump has 'private business' in Saudi arabia. This is supposed to be some co fiction of interest. 

1) in the modern usa, the difference between private and public business is quite vague. There is of course nothing that is wholly private nor wholly public. Indeed we know that the Cia is often deeply involved in corporations (like united fruit) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company ..even if they aren't 'supposed' to 

2) 'public' business is actually infinitely worse...right? The usa does depend on saudi arabia for both petrol and the petrol dollar which causes the usd to be the world reserve currency.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrocurrency This causes Saudi arabia to quite simply have a lot of potential leverage over the usa...and. uch Moreso than any 'private business' that some random politician would have...assuming a president actually cared about us interests....doesn't that matter a lot more? If you really wanted to reduce Saud influence over the usa then i woukd suggest ending the sanctions on Iran, Venezuela, and Russia. But leftists are kinda blind to realpolitik like that. 

3) I would suggest that the reason Saudi arabia has so much leverage over the usa...why we allowed that to happen...is actually tied to the close relationship between Sauds and Israel. It would be an error to consider the Saudi to be a real free agent in this...because their relation to the usa is often objectively detrimental for themselves...just as the relation between Israel and the usa is often detrimental to the usa.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... te-friends
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_an ... ed_Nations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

4) where to politicians really make all their money? Well...donors and insider trading. Are lefties really going to start arguing that the influence of money in politics only happens with trump?Trump? The problem is universal. Indeed I recall aoc crying about how she wasn't getting money fast enough and it really seemed to motivate her decisions. http://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/pr ... f-salaries ....does that sound like a person who is going to be impossible to bribe? Lol...

 
 

FOS » 21 Nov 2022, 12:13 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 12:13 pm

I felt a need to comment on this general nonsense...common among leftist media...especially after getting banned from a pg thread for scoffing at it...and I'm not sure the poster understood my point. 

it's supposed to be a big deal that Trump has 'private business' in Saudi arabia. This is supposed to be some co fiction of interest.

If you are talking about me, you were not banned from my Flying Monkeys thread.


 
The shadow thread in the Peanut Gallery no longer exists.
It was deleted in the purge due to inactivity for over a year.
So I can no longer ban anyone from that thread.

If you don't comprehend why it's a conflict of interest for someone to control foreign policy while making money for his private business from foreign countries, then I can't make you understand that.
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Trump has all kinds of businesses in foreign countries and he's continuing to do business with Saudi Arabia while running for POTUS again.

Jimmy Carter had one lousy peanut farm and he sold it after he was elected to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest.

But I'm sure you have a different standard for Democrats.

No other president that I can think of owned and/or ran a private business while in office, especially one that did business with foreign nations.

 
 

FOS » 21 Nov 2022, 12:13 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 12:13 pm

1) in the modern usa, the difference between private and public business is quite vague. There is of course nothing that is wholly private nor wholly public.

 

What stupidity.
The Trump Org is 100% a wholly privately owned company.
 

Misty » 21 Nov 2022, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 12:49 pm

If you are talking about me, you were not banned from my Flying Monkeys thread.


 
The shadow thread in the Peanut Gallery no longer exists.
It was deleted in the purge due to inactivity for over a year.
So I can no longer ban anyone from that thread.

If you don't comprehend why it's a conflict of interest for someone to control foreign policy while making money for his private business from foreign countries, then I can't make you understand that.
​​​​​​
Trump has all kinds of businesses in foreign countries and he's continuing to do business with Saudi Arabia while running for POTUS again.

Jimmy Carter had one lousy peanut farm and he sold it after he was elected to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest.

But I'm sure you have a different standard for Democrats.

No other president that I can think of owned and/or ran a private business while in office, especially one that did business with foreign nations.

Why don't you respond to the various points I made. 

Do you also think it is an issue that politicians make all their money from a handful of donors? Can you at least admit that your structural logic woukd extend thst THAT? 

Because it is universal. No politician in the usa just survives off their salary lol
 

Misty » 21 Nov 2022, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 12:52 pm

What stupidity.
The Trump Org is 100% a wholly privately owned company.

...and so was united fruit, for example

so was the east India tea company lol

FOS » 21 Nov 2022, 12:56 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 12:56 pm

...and so was united fruit, for example

so was the east India tea company lol

No, it wasn't 

Blackvegetable » 21 Nov 2022, 1:15 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 1:15 pm

No, it wasn't

As usual, veghead just spews out claims without supporting them. 

And of course, he demands everyone else to prove their claims. 

**** narcissists are such scum.

Vegas » 21 Nov 2022, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 1:17 pm

As usual, veghead just spews out claims without supporting them. 

And of course, he demands everyone else to prove their claims. 

**** narcissists are such scum.

Post the proof FOS provides with his assertion. 

Blackvegetable » 21 Nov 2022, 1:27 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 1:27 pm

Post the proof FOS provides with his assertion.

Who was this man? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Smythe

FOS » 21 Nov 2022, 1:35 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 1:35 pm

Who was this man? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Smythe

United Fruit.

 

FOS » 21 Nov 2022, 1:35 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 1:35 pm

Who was this man? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Smythe

The East India Company was not "private".


 

Selaphobia » 21 Nov 2022, 1:39 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 1:39 pm

If you want proof, research it yourself.

I did.

Tell @Vegas  
 

Selaphobia » 21 Nov 2022, 1:38 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 1:38 pm

Link?
Proof?

If you want proof, research it yourself.

Blackvegetable » 21 Nov 2022, 1:41 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 1:41 pm

The East India Company was not "private".

In effect it certainly was...thanks to corruption. That is historical fact. The wealth of British people was plundered to enrich a select few 'officers' who also imposed their own vision on thr future of the colony...down to which people lived or died. 

Exactly like major corporations today that are supposed to be 'public traded' all seem to magically follow an agenda which, if polls were taken among the general population, are very unpopular.

In the two examples I gave...the ultimate goal was not of course profit. It was power. 

Still true to this day...but the nation that gains power is not a country. It is an international tribe that operates independently of any country
 

FOS » 21 Nov 2022, 1:46 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 1:46 pm

In effect it certainly was...thanks to corruption. That is historical fact. The wealth of British people was plundered to enrich a select few 'officers' who also imposed their own vision on thr future of the colony...down to which people lived or died. 

Exactly like major corporations today that are supposed to be 'public traded' all seem to magically follow an agenda which, if polls were taken among the general population, are very unpopular.

In the two examples I gave...the ultimate goal was not of course profit. It was power. 

Still true to this day...but the nation that gains power is not a country. It is an international tribe that operates independently of any country

So it wasn't private....just "in effect"

Blackvegetable » 21 Nov 2022, 1:50 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 1:50 pm

So it wasn't private....just "in effect"

well I see no difference. Do you? 

Selaphobia » 21 Nov 2022, 1:56 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 1:56 pm

so much thought went into this one.

Shirley, you're kidding...

Blackvegetable » 21 Nov 2022, 1:41 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 1:41 pm

I did.

Tell @Vegas

Doubt that. 

Blackvegetable » 21 Nov 2022, 1:27 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 1:27 pm

Post the proof FOS provides with his assertion.

He did. Like I expected you to read it. You are going to have to read past your usual 5 words...if you have the intellectual capacity. 

And no, narcissist boy, I am not going to post it for you. Do your own work. Read it. 

Misty » 21 Nov 2022, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Nov 2022, 12:49 pm

If you are talking about me, you were not banned from my Flying Monkeys thread.


 
The shadow thread in the Peanut Gallery no longer exists.
It was deleted in the purge due to inactivity for over a year.
So I can no longer ban anyone from that thread.

If you don't comprehend why it's a conflict of interest for someone to control foreign policy while making money for his private business from foreign countries, then I can't make you understand that.
​​​​​​
Trump has all kinds of businesses in foreign countries and he's continuing to do business with Saudi Arabia while running for POTUS again.

Jimmy Carter had one lousy peanut farm and he sold it after he was elected to avoid any appearance of a conflict of interest.

But I'm sure you have a different standard for Democrats.

No other president that I can think of owned and/or ran a private business while in office, especially one that did business with foreign nations.

Are you saying that JIMMY CARTER SELLING HIS LONE BUSINESS.....
SET THE STANDARD FOR  ALL DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS TO FOLLOW...?
NEVER A PEEP OUT OF BRAINWASHED LEMMINGS LIKE MUFFY ABOUT ANY OF THIS.....
How Did Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi Get So Rich? - Quiet No Longer