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In a general sense, I believe everyone would agree that it has moved away from a religious or spiritual holiday and become a time when you just buy stuff. 

But there has also been corruption of the mythos itself. Take rudolf the red nosed reindeer, for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_t ... d_Reindeer

Beloeve it or not, this is not a christian story. This was created by a jew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._May ( "born in Arverne, Long Island, New York,[1] and grew up in a fairly affluent secular Jewish home in New Rochelle, New York.[2][3] His parents were members of the Ethical Culture Society, which believed that morality is independent of theology.[4] ")..and as much as he might pretend to have no religious preference, the story contains very obvious references to Jewish culture and religion. 

For example...the idea of "lighting the way" (with the nose no less) is an obvious allusion to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikkun_olam ..whereby jews believe they were chosen by God (or perhaps santa) to 'light the way' for the 'nations' (goyim in Hebrew, with the pejorative slang goy). Incidentally it is not a coincidence that Lucifer is also the 'light bringer'.

And the goyim that rudolf is leading are of course a homogenous collection of reindeer with exaggerated German names...(since Santa himself derives from German folklore-although americans today no longer have any awareness of the original stories). These goyim also would not let rudolf "play in their reindeer games"...probably because he was a fake reindeer with a **** up nose and a foreign religion. 

But somehow this bizarre product of the imagination of a neurotic jew has become a staple of the Christmas tradition...and I only mentioned it as a case study because there are many other similar examples. 

Incidentally I would also like to mention this guy: https://www.coffeeordie.com/si-spiegel-christmas-tree

Yes, a jew who literally bombed german women and children in ww2 invented the fake christmas tree. The funniest thing one will notice when they go down this rabbit whole is how everything is so fitting...
 
 

Xmas is a plot to 'take our money! By greedy retailers using children as their bait.
No thinking adult should ever celebrate Xmas! GOYIM included!  
 

nuckinfutz » 04 Dec 2022, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 1:29 pm

Xmas is a plot to 'take our money! By greedy retailers using children as their bait.
No thinking adult should ever celebrate Xmas! GOYIM included!

Once upon a time christmas was not about buying ****. The point is that changed 

FOS » 04 Dec 2022, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 1:30 pm

Once upon a time christmas was not about buying ****. The point is that changed

I say; BAH! HUMBUG!
 

nuckinfutz » 04 Dec 2022, 1:35 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 1:35 pm

I say; BAH! HUMBUG!

scrooge was an individualist capitalist

FOS » 04 Dec 2022, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 1:30 pm

Once upon a time christmas was not about buying ****. The point is that changed

Jesus wasnt born in December- it was the spring... he was married and had a bunch of kids. And came from a wealthy family. I think it has something to do with the winter soltice.. moving on... think about this? Most holidays revolve around CANDY- we have easter candy-  valentines- Halloween. 
 

sootedupCyndi » 04 Dec 2022, 2:00 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 2:00 pm

Jesus wasnt born in December- it was the spring... he was married and had a bunch of kids. And came from a wealthy family. I think it has something to do with the winter soltice.. moving on... think about this? Most holidays revolve around CANDY- we have easter candy-  valentines- Halloween.

Why do I get the feeling you didn't read the entire post? Lol

nuckinfutz » 04 Dec 2022, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 1:29 pm

Xmas is a plot to 'take our money! By greedy retailers using children as their bait.
No thinking adult should ever celebrate Xmas! GOYIM included!

I think its ok. Because it is the magic in a childs eyes when they wake up xmas morning and see all that stuff!
 It only goes on until they are about 6. Then kids figure it out pretty fast! Then the kids start extorting  gifts from Mom and Dad    

FOS » 04 Dec 2022, 2:02 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 2:02 pm

Why do I get the feeling you didn't read the entire post? Lol

And what about you- That you don't know me by now? Does that  really surprise you?  
 

sootedupCyndi » 04 Dec 2022, 2:08 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 2:08 pm

And what about you- That you don't know me by now? Does that  really surprise you?

a woman's attention span for sure

FOS » 04 Dec 2022, 2:10 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 2:10 pm

a woman's attention span for sure

ha ha ha... dont have one long enough to watch a movie!!!

sootedupCyndi » 04 Dec 2022, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 2:06 pm

I think its ok. Because it is the magic in a childs eyes when they wake up xmas morning and see all that stuff!
 It only goes on until they are about 6. Then kids figure it out pretty fast! Then the kids start extorting  gifts from Mom and Dad  

It teaches children GREED!
And paints a false MATERIALIST view to them!
Puts a price on everything, even people!      
@sooted up Cyndi  
 

nuckinfutz » 04 Dec 2022, 2:13 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 2:13 pm

It teaches children GREED!
And paints a false MATERIALIST view to them!
Puts a price on everything, even people!      
@sooted up Cyndi

I dont think so. Because i was a spoiled kid. I'm not like that at all. The kids these days are... What was your favorite toy -you got for xmas when you were a kid?

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FOS » 04 Dec 2022, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 1:11 pm

In a general sense, I believe everyone would agree that it has moved away from a religious or spiritual holiday and become a time when you just buy stuff. 

But there has also been corruption of the mythos itself. Take rudolf the red nosed reindeer, for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_t ... d_Reindeer

Beloeve it or not, this is not a christian story. This was created by a jew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._May ( "born in Arverne, Long Island, New York,[1] and grew up in a fairly affluent secular Jewish home in New Rochelle, New York.[2][3] His parents were members of the Ethical Culture Society, which believed that morality is independent of theology.[4] ")..and as much as he might pretend to have no religious preference, the story contains very obvious references to Jewish culture and religion. 

For example...the idea of "lighting the way" (with the nose no less) is an obvious allusion to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikkun_olam ..whereby jews believe they were chosen by God (or perhaps santa) to 'light the way' for the 'nations' (goyim in Hebrew, with the pejorative slang goy). Incidentally it is not a coincidence that Lucifer is also the 'light bringer'.

And the goyim that rudolf is leading are of course a homogenous collection of reindeer with exaggerated German names...(since Santa himself derives from German folklore-although americans today no longer have any awareness of the original stories). These goyim also would not let rudolf "play in their reindeer games"...probably because he was a fake reindeer with a **** up nose and a foreign religion. 

But somehow this bizarre product of the imagination of a neurotic jew has become a staple of the Christmas tradition...and I only mentioned it as a case study because there are many other similar examples. 

Incidentally I would also like to mention this guy: https://www.coffeeordie.com/si-spiegel-christmas-tree

Yes, a jew who literally bombed german women and children in ww2 invented the fake christmas tree. The funniest thing one will notice when they go down this rabbit whole is how everything is so fitting...

Nah, a beautifully decorated live tree for a month & all the other trimmings & presents for every1 from Santa is worth every bit of it.

sootedupCyndi » 04 Dec 2022, 2:16 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 2:16 pm

I dont think so. Because i was a spoiled kid. I'm not like that at all. The kids these days are... What was your favorite toy -you got for xmas when you were a kid?

My bike, although the TV from Santa for all of us was really my favorite.  I watched Laurel & Hardy in Wooden Soldiers all by myself while my family was across the street. 

What do you mean?
I pray to Santa on Sundays.

FOS » 04 Dec 2022, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 1:11 pm

In a general sense, I believe everyone would agree that it has moved away from a religious or spiritual holiday and become a time when you just buy stuff.

Oh, ****.  Christmas is both.  Sure, there is the commercial side to the Christmas season.  But, that does not at all negate the religious significance of Christmas.  Go to church and find out for yourself.  Christmas reconnects people with the spirit of Christ and with family, at least this one time during the year.  How is that a bad thing?

As for the Rudolf story - LOL - you might have something there.
 

Skans » 05 Dec 2022, 8:35 am » wrote: ↑

05 Dec 2022, 8:35 am

Oh, ****.   How is that a bad thing?

  Because of the Jews apparently.
FOS sees them under his bed.
 

sootedupCyndi » 04 Dec 2022, 2:00 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2022, 2:00 pm

Jesus wasnt born in December- it was the spring... he was married and had a bunch of kids. And came from a wealthy family. I think it has something to do with the winter soltice.. moving on... think about this? Most holidays revolve around CANDY- we have easter candy-  valentines- Halloween.

Here's a question for you. What time of the year was December 2,000 years ago?  Keep in mind the Gregorian calendar did not come into existence until the 1500's.  The original Roman calendar only had 10 months and it went through many iterations.  Probably because it took quite some time to figure out how to adjust for its imprecision.