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America is great. America is not great due to the work of any one man. It is great because it has a constitution of checks and balances and the foresight of its founding fathers. Think of what we have accomplished as a nation. We've saved the world from tyranny in not one but two global wars. We played an instrumental role in bringing down the Berlin Wall and spread peace and democracy across the globe in the form of our own example. Prosperity and peace are not perfect globally but they are still something that is a somewhat successful exercise. This is because we set an example and try to form a more perfect union. 
This is where Donald Trump comes in. Trump had successes and failures. Certainly if he pulled off a North Korean peace deal we might be celebrating his presidency. Unfortunately in the future we will probably not be celebrating his presidency. January 6th is well documented in the way it was handled and the question of how much Trump knew and when he knew it will be a question of constant speculation in the years to come. Still, the attack on the Capital was caught on live television and his welcome ears brought it upon themselves to storm the very seat of our government in an action of vengeance. These attacks had no other underpinning than the smoke and mirrors that Trump and his supporters used to gain and hold onto power. Trump might have finally given the Supreme Court the leaning to strike down Roe v. Wade. This is not a position of personal support but is a victory for the voters who elected him.
Yet, Trump is still a man of little depth except his simple notions of winning which is pretty much what you would expect from a former real estate tycoon that had no governing experience. I could keep going but this is the bottom line. When you join the US Armed Forces you take a pledge to defend the Constitution. Trump instead asks his followers to defend and enhance his own power base by any means necessary. This is the derangement. I hold Conservative views and ask anyone who believes in the notion of Conservativism to read "The Conservative Sensibility" by George Will. Other than that, just try to get off outrage and battle mode and see the world for what it is. Perhaps some Trump supporters need to forget that we are a nation, not the whim of a single individual in the form of Donald Trump.

Monderegal » 15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm

America is great. America is not great due to the work of any one man. It is great because it has a constitution of checks and balances and the foresight of its founding fathers. Think of what we have accomplished as a nation. We've saved the world from tyranny in not one but two global wars. We played an instrumental role in bringing down the Berlin Wall and spread peace and democracy across the globe in the form of our own example. Prosperity and peace are not perfect globally but they are still something that is a somewhat successful exercise. This is because we set an example and try to form a more perfect union. 
This is where Donald Trump comes in. Trump had successes and failures. Certainly if he pulled off a North Korean peace deal we might be celebrating his presidency. Unfortunately in the future we will probably not be celebrating his presidency. January 6th is well documented in the way it was handled and the question of how much Trump knew and when he knew it will be a question of constant speculation in the years to come. Still, the attack on the Capital was caught on live television and his welcome ears brought it upon themselves to storm the very seat of our government in an action of vengeance. These attacks had no other underpinning than the smoke and mirrors that Trump and his supporters used to gain and hold onto power. Trump might have finally given the Supreme Court the leaning to strike down Roe v. Wade. This is not a position of personal support but is a victory for the voters who elected him.
Yet, Trump is still a man of little depth except his simple notions of winning which is pretty much what you would expect from a former real estate tycoon that had no governing experience. I could keep going but this is the bottom line. When you join the US Armed Forces you take a pledge to defend the Constitution. Trump instead asks his followers to defend and enhance his own power base by any means necessary. This is the derangement. I hold Conservative views and ask anyone who believes in the notion of Conservativism to read "The Conservative Sensibility" by George Will. Other than that, just try to get off outrage and battle mode and see the world for what it is. Perhaps some Trump supporters need to forget that we are a nation, not the whim of a single individual in the form of Donald Trump.

good post.

 

Monderegal » 15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm

America is great. America is not great due to the work of any one man. It is great because it has a constitution of checks and balances and the foresight of its founding fathers. Think of what we have accomplished as a nation. We've saved the world from tyranny in not one but two global wars. We played an instrumental role in bringing down the Berlin Wall and spread peace and democracy across the globe in the form of our own example. Prosperity and peace are not perfect globally but they are still something that is a somewhat successful exercise. This is because we set an example and try to form a more perfect union. 
This is where Donald Trump comes in. Trump had successes and failures. Certainly if he pulled off a North Korean peace deal we might be celebrating his presidency. Unfortunately in the future we will probably not be celebrating his presidency. January 6th is well documented in the way it was handled and the question of how much Trump knew and when he knew it will be a question of constant speculation in the years to come. Still, the attack on the Capital was caught on live television and his welcome ears brought it upon themselves to storm the very seat of our government in an action of vengeance. These attacks had no other underpinning than the smoke and mirrors that Trump and his supporters used to gain and hold onto power. Trump might have finally given the Supreme Court the leaning to strike down Roe v. Wade. This is not a position of personal support but is a victory for the voters who elected him.
Yet, Trump is still a man of little depth except his simple notions of winning which is pretty much what you would expect from a former real estate tycoon that had no governing experience. I could keep going but this is the bottom line. When you join the US Armed Forces you take a pledge to defend the Constitution. Trump instead asks his followers to defend and enhance his own power base by any means necessary. This is the derangement. I hold Conservative views and ask anyone who believes in the notion of Conservativism to read "The Conservative Sensibility" by George Will. Other than that, just try to get off outrage and battle mode and see the world for what it is. Perhaps some Trump supporters need to forget that we are a nation, not the whim of a single individual in the form of Donald Trump.

I'm a conservative...and I think yer deranged.   

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/U1rbz1LE1_E
 

Monderegal » 15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm

America is great. America is not great due to the work of any one man. It is great because it has a constitution of checks and balances and the foresight of its founding fathers. Think of what we have accomplished as a nation. We've saved the world from tyranny in not one but two global wars. We played an instrumental role in bringing down the Berlin Wall and spread peace and democracy across the globe in the form of our own example. Prosperity and peace are not perfect globally but they are still something that is a somewhat successful exercise. This is because we set an example and try to form a more perfect union. 
This is where Donald Trump comes in. Trump had successes and failures. Certainly if he pulled off a North Korean peace deal we might be celebrating his presidency. Unfortunately in the future we will probably not be celebrating his presidency. January 6th is well documented in the way it was handled and the question of how much Trump knew and when he knew it will be a question of constant speculation in the years to come. Still, the attack on the Capital was caught on live television and his welcome ears brought it upon themselves to storm the very seat of our government in an action of vengeance. These attacks had no other underpinning than the smoke and mirrors that Trump and his supporters used to gain and hold onto power. Trump might have finally given the Supreme Court the leaning to strike down Roe v. Wade. This is not a position of personal support but is a victory for the voters who elected him.
Yet, Trump is still a man of little depth except his simple notions of winning which is pretty much what you would expect from a former real estate tycoon that had no governing experience. I could keep going but this is the bottom line. When you join the US Armed Forces you take a pledge to defend the Constitution. Trump instead asks his followers to defend and enhance his own power base by any means necessary. This is the derangement. I hold Conservative views and ask anyone who believes in the notion of Conservativism to read "The Conservative Sensibility" by George Will. Other than that, just try to get off outrage and battle mode and see the world for what it is. Perhaps some Trump supporters need to forget that we are a nation, not the whim of a single individual in the form of Donald Trump.

What do you think of Biden?  Do you like him...did you vote for him?


 

roadkill » 16 Jan 2023, 6:40 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023, 6:40 am

What do you think of Biden?  Do you like him...did you vote for him?

The difference between you and the OP exemplifies the difference between Trump and those he has suckered and normal Americans.

jack » 16 Jan 2023, 7:57 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023, 7:57 am

The difference between you and the OP exemplifies the difference between Trump and those he has suckered and normal Americans.

I disagree...I think yer the one who has been suckered.

roadkill » 16 Jan 2023, 6:28 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023, 6:28 am

I'm a conservative...and I think yer deranged.   

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/U1rbz1LE1_E

Pedoroad,

Having Short Eyes doesn't make you "conservative"...

roadkill » 16 Jan 2023, 7:59 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023, 7:59 am

I disagree...I think yer the one who has been suckered.

Pedoroad,

You know that you are dumb as a post hole...
 

Blackvegetable » 16 Jan 2023, 8:36 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023, 8:36 am

Pedoroad,

Having Short Eyes doesn't make you "conservative"...

Bv...I think yer a deranged sucker too.

Blackvegetable » 16 Jan 2023, 8:36 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023, 8:36 am

Pedoroad,

You know that you are dumb as a post hole...

I'm not the one who voted for Biden.      

jack » 16 Jan 2023, 7:57 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023, 7:57 am

The difference between you and the OP exemplifies the difference between Trump and those he has suckered and normal Americans.

Want to know who the suckers really are?? Go look in the mirror.

All you losers in life demand is more government to solve all of your problems in life from how how much money you can suck off the "evil rich" to having someone to wipe your nasty arses.

The reality is, you are GIVING AWAY all your freedom for the bread and circus you demand from government. So you want to call US :suckered"???

Monderegal » 15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm

America is great. America is not great due to the work of any one man. It is great because it has a constitution of checks and balances and the foresight of its founding fathers. Think of what we have accomplished as a nation. We've saved the world from tyranny in not one but two global wars. We played an instrumental role in bringing down the Berlin Wall and spread peace and democracy across the globe in the form of our own example. Prosperity and peace are not perfect globally but they are still something that is a somewhat successful exercise. This is because we set an example and try to form a more perfect union. 
This is where Donald Trump comes in. Trump had successes and failures. Certainly if he pulled off a North Korean peace deal we might be celebrating his presidency. Unfortunately in the future we will probably not be celebrating his presidency. January 6th is well documented in the way it was handled and the question of how much Trump knew and when he knew it will be a question of constant speculation in the years to come. Still, the attack on the Capital was caught on live television and his welcome ears brought it upon themselves to storm the very seat of our government in an action of vengeance. These attacks had no other underpinning than the smoke and mirrors that Trump and his supporters used to gain and hold onto power. Trump might have finally given the Supreme Court the leaning to strike down Roe v. Wade. This is not a position of personal support but is a victory for the voters who elected him.
Yet, Trump is still a man of little depth except his simple notions of winning which is pretty much what you would expect from a former real estate tycoon that had no governing experience. I could keep going but this is the bottom line. When you join the US Armed Forces you take a pledge to defend the Constitution. Trump instead asks his followers to defend and enhance his own power base by any means necessary. This is the derangement. I hold Conservative views and ask anyone who believes in the notion of Conservativism to read "The Conservative Sensibility" by George Will. Other than that, just try to get off outrage and battle mode and see the world for what it is. Perhaps some Trump supporters need to forget that we are a nation, not the whim of a single individual in the form of Donald Trump.

So....you think the below Biden accomplishments set's him above Trump?

• America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.
• Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.
• The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
• Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
• More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.
• Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
• The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.
• Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.
• Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.
• Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years.
• Lifted nearly 7 million people off of food stamps.
• Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans reached record lows.
• Income inequality fell for two straight years, and by the largest amount in over a decade.
• African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.

 
 

BlackVegetable says

"Biden has been breeding Vaccine skepticism and his promotion of quack cures is clearly infecting his cultists.."

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Monderegal » 15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm

America is great. America is not great due to the work of any one man. It is great because it has a constitution of checks and balances and the foresight of its founding fathers. Think of what we have accomplished as a nation. We've saved the world from tyranny in not one but two global wars. We played an instrumental role in bringing down the Berlin Wall and spread peace and democracy across the globe in the form of our own example. Prosperity and peace are not perfect globally but they are still something that is a somewhat successful exercise. This is because we set an example and try to form a more perfect union. 
This is where Donald Trump comes in. Trump had successes and failures. Certainly if he pulled off a North Korean peace deal we might be celebrating his presidency. Unfortunately in the future we will probably not be celebrating his presidency. January 6th is well documented in the way it was handled and the question of how much Trump knew and when he knew it will be a question of constant speculation in the years to come. Still, the attack on the Capital was caught on live television and his welcome ears brought it upon themselves to storm the very seat of our government in an action of vengeance. These attacks had no other underpinning than the smoke and mirrors that Trump and his supporters used to gain and hold onto power. Trump might have finally given the Supreme Court the leaning to strike down Roe v. Wade. This is not a position of personal support but is a victory for the voters who elected him.
Yet, Trump is still a man of little depth except his simple notions of winning which is pretty much what you would expect from a former real estate tycoon that had no governing experience. I could keep going but this is the bottom line. When you join the US Armed Forces you take a pledge to defend the Constitution. Trump instead asks his followers to defend and enhance his own power base by any means necessary. This is the derangement. I hold Conservative views and ask anyone who believes in the notion of Conservativism to read "The Conservative Sensibility" by George Will. Other than that, just try to get off outrage and battle mode and see the world for what it is. Perhaps some Trump supporters need to forget that we are a nation, not the whim of a single individual in the form of Donald Trump.

Monarchy gal: politics, globalist world war on civilians with mickey mouse explanations. Wonderful representation for large corporation communes, little or no representation for the individual citizen.

 After helping to negotiate a deal for no food, property, self employment and no religion too, there will be no where to go after you get banished.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-H2qMkiOE&t=361s

 

Monderegal » 15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm

America is great.

You get dumber by the post always venturing further away from how and why you are the specificity of you here now.

Remember 6 degrees of intellectual deception doesn't change the 7th position you are in any 7 3 generations gaps past, forward since your specific arrival.

how, why, what, where, when, who has a point missing in every debate of general consensus, which one of total sum occupying space native to the atmosphere here now. 8 billion sole displacements to choose from in in family positions of 8 great grandparents, 4 grandparents, 2 parenting, each great great grandchild added, those that become 1 of 2 parents or not, those that become 1 of 4 grandparents or not, those that become 1 of 8 great grandparents or not.

You catch the compounding simplicity with living as eternally separated in plain sight yet? Your mind won't accept your ancestry was fooled since dawn of civilization forward from within your own species?

You decided to go along to get along as energy flows naturally paths of least resistance. Compromise your time away since reality patented denying now is eternity in every reality governing societal evolution forward here.
Power of suggestion absolutely corrupts every society built to serve God, Country, Community theater present. all 9 generation gaps alive.

From had 16 great great grandparents onto becoming 1 of 16 great great grandparents or not.

Evolving in series parallel displacement means genetic fate is only decided now and social destiny set in rule of law here in this atmosphere.

Bet you don't like the moral to the history of humanity so far. Especially where you enable the corruption to never be corrected before self inflicted extinction happens.

Monderegal » 15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jan 2023, 9:05 pm

America is great. America is not great due to the work of any one man. It is great because it has a constitution of checks and balances and the foresight of its founding fathers. Think of what we have accomplished as a nation. We've saved the world from tyranny in not one but two global wars. We played an instrumental role in bringing down the Berlin Wall and spread peace and democracy across the globe in the form of our own example. Prosperity and peace are not perfect globally but they are still something that is a somewhat successful exercise. This is because we set an example and try to form a more perfect union. 
This is where Donald Trump comes in. Trump had successes and failures. Certainly if he pulled off a North Korean peace deal we might be celebrating his presidency. Unfortunately in the future we will probably not be celebrating his presidency. January 6th is well documented in the way it was handled and the question of how much Trump knew and when he knew it will be a question of constant speculation in the years to come. Still, the attack on the Capital was caught on live television and his welcome ears brought it upon themselves to storm the very seat of our government in an action of vengeance. These attacks had no other underpinning than the smoke and mirrors that Trump and his supporters used to gain and hold onto power. Trump might have finally given the Supreme Court the leaning to strike down Roe v. Wade. This is not a position of personal support but is a victory for the voters who elected him.
Yet, Trump is still a man of little depth except his simple notions of winning which is pretty much what you would expect from a former real estate tycoon that had no governing experience. I could keep going but this is the bottom line. When you join the US Armed Forces you take a pledge to defend the Constitution. Trump instead asks his followers to defend and enhance his own power base by any means necessary. This is the derangement. I hold Conservative views and ask anyone who believes in the notion of Conservativism to read "The Conservative Sensibility" by George Will. Other than that, just try to get off outrage and battle mode and see the world for what it is. Perhaps some Trump supporters need to forget that we are a nation, not the whim of a single individual in the form of Donald Trump.

What do you make of this?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooD5vPJNFPA

Beekeeper » 16 Jan 2023, 8:42 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023, 8:42 am

Want to know who the suckers really are?? Go look in the mirror.

All you losers in life demand is more government to solve all of your problems in life from how how much money you can suck off the "evil rich" to having someone to wipe your nasty arses.

The reality is, you are GIVING AWAY all your freedom for the bread and circus you demand from government. So you want to call US :suckered"???

You're an idiot.

Mr.7 » 16 Jan 2023, 8:42 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023, 8:42 am

So....you think the below Biden accomplishments set's him above Trump?

• America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.
• Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.
• The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
• Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
• More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.
• Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
• The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.
• Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.
• Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.
• Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years.
• Lifted nearly 7 million people off of food stamps.
• Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans reached record lows.
• Income inequality fell for two straight years, and by the largest amount in over a decade.
• African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.

When did Grifty issue that list, ****?

roadkill » 16 Jan 2023, 6:40 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023, 6:40 am

What do you think of Biden?  Do you like him...did you vote for him?

I did vote for Biden. I'm happy we don't live in chaos anymore. If you look at the record, Biden has been a good president minus some issues. Most importantly for me is the inflation reduction act which will onshore more jobs and help the average American. Of course, it seems that the price of eggs and other simple metrics are keeping people from seeing the big picture with the economy. 

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Oh my....look who posted the headlines.....   Who's the ****?

Women's labor force participation rate hit 33-year low in …https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/08/womens-labor …WebFeb 8, 2021 · Women, ages 20 and over, faced an unemployment rate of 6% in January, which is the same as the overall unemployment rate men ages 20 and over faced.

Unemployment is at its lowest level in nearly 50 yearshttps://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/...WebOct 5, 2018 · By Lucy Bayly. The economy continues its nine-year expansion, with an unemployment rate now at 3.7 percent, the lowest since 1969, according to data released Friday by the Department of Labor.

Black unemployment rate hits 5 year low - CNNMoneyhttps://money.cnn.com/2013/08/02/news/econom…WebAug 2, 2013 · The unemployment rate for black Americans hit its lowest level since December 2008. According to the government's latest jobs report, 12.6% of black Americans were unemployed. That's down from a ...