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Women have demanded too much from men, using government as a tool to enforce what they can't get for themselves.  Well, men have caught on.  Young men cannot be cajoled into getting married to a woman.  Now, they have been getting their baby-batter snipped.  This process is not nearly as reversible as doctors would lead you to believe. 

Also, as boys grow into men, they get used to not having to care about children and they will be far less likely to start making the baby batter again.  So, now a woman must consider the following in life:

• She only has about 10 years to convince a man who is her contemporary to marry her - from about 18 to 28. And, as she approaches 28, about only another 7 years to convince a much older man who has been divorced or is too weird to ever get married to marry her.
• Far more women than men are now attending college.  So, college age women have far fewer males to pick from who would be their contemporaries and intellectual equals.  Finding their "forever guy" is not likely in college.
• Internet dating - these sites are for men and women to hook up and have sex.  This does nothing for women who want to find a loving committed man to marry.
• Many men have resolved to never get married - even harder for a woman to find a man to marry in the limited time span she has.
• Older men are seeking out marriage with foreign born women, like Russians, Filipinos, etc.  Why?  Because they understand how to treat a man.
• Feminists are loud, obnoxious, demanding, shrill, angry, back-stabbing, self-entitled, selfish women - no man in their right mind will EVER be interested in marrying one of those.  They are barely any good for a one-night stand.
• Most 20-something men are fat, lazy, unemployed, doper, gaming pajama-boys.  Even a one-eyed, serial rapist would be more appealing.

It sucks to be a woman over the age of 23.  Their prospects of marriage, having a family and creating a home with a dedicated man are getting slimmer by the day.  The best advice I could possibly give to a woman is find a guy 5-15 years older than you when you are between 18 and 22 and do whatever you can to get him to marry you ASAP.  Then, praise God and be grateful that you have a man, because 80% of your peers never will.
 
 

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 5:52 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 5:52 pm

Women have demanded too much from men, using government as a tool to enforce what they can't get for themselves.  Well, men have caught on.  Young men cannot be cajoled into getting married to a woman.  Now, they have been getting their baby-batter snipped.  This process is not nearly as reversible as doctors would lead you to believe. 

Also, as boys grow into men, they get used to not having to care about children and they will be far less likely to start making the baby batter again.  So, now a woman must consider the following in life:

• She only has about 10 years to convince a man who is her contemporary to marry her - from about 18 to 28. And, as she approaches 28, about only another 7 years to convince a much older man who has been divorced or is too weird to ever get married to marry her.
• Far more women than men are now attending college.  So, college age women have far fewer males to pick from who would be their contemporaries and intellectual equals.  Finding their "forever guy" is not likely in college.
• Internet dating - these sites are for men and women to hook up and have sex.  This does nothing for women who want to find a loving committed man to marry.
• Many men have resolved to never get married - even harder for a woman to find a man to marry in the limited time span she has.
• Older men are seeking out marriage with foreign born women, like Russians, Filipinos, etc.  Why?  Because they understand how to treat a man.
• Feminists are loud, obnoxious, demanding, shrill, angry, back-stabbing, self-entitled, selfish women - no man in their right mind will EVER be interested in marrying one of those.  They are barely any good for a one-night stand.
• Most 20-something men are fat, lazy, unemployed, doper, gaming pajama-boys.  Even a one-eyed, serial rapist would be more appealing.

It sucks to be a woman over the age of 23.  Their prospects of marriage, having a family and creating a home with a dedicated man are getting slimmer by the day.  The best advice I could possibly give to a woman is find a guy 5-15 years older than you when you are between 18 and 22 and do whatever you can to get him to marry you ASAP.  Then, praise God and be grateful that you have a man, because 80% of your peers never will.

What is your response to those women who never want kids?  Their lives suck because they can't have what they do not want. 

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 5:52 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 5:52 pm

Women have demanded too much from men, using government as a tool to enforce what they can't get for themselves.  Well, men have caught on.  Young men cannot be cajoled into getting married to a woman.  Now, they have been getting their baby-batter snipped.  This process is not nearly as reversible as doctors would lead you to believe. 

Also, as boys grow into men, they get used to not having to care about children and they will be far less likely to start making the baby batter again.  So, now a woman must consider the following in life:

• She only has about 10 years to convince a man who is her contemporary to marry her - from about 18 to 28. And, as she approaches 28, about only another 7 years to convince a much older man who has been divorced or is too weird to ever get married to marry her.
• Far more women than men are now attending college.  So, college age women have far fewer males to pick from who would be their contemporaries and intellectual equals.  Finding their "forever guy" is not likely in college.
• Internet dating - these sites are for men and women to hook up and have sex.  This does nothing for women who want to find a loving committed man to marry.
• Many men have resolved to never get married - even harder for a woman to find a man to marry in the limited time span she has.
• Older men are seeking out marriage with foreign born women, like Russians, Filipinos, etc.  Why?  Because they understand how to treat a man.
• Feminists are loud, obnoxious, demanding, shrill, angry, back-stabbing, self-entitled, selfish women - no man in their right mind will EVER be interested in marrying one of those.  They are barely any good for a one-night stand.
• Most 20-something men are fat, lazy, unemployed, doper, gaming pajama-boys.  Even a one-eyed, serial rapist would be more appealing.

It sucks to be a woman over the age of 23.  Their prospects of marriage, having a family and creating a home with a dedicated man are getting slimmer by the day.  The best advice I could possibly give to a woman is find a guy 5-15 years older than you when you are between 18 and 22 and do whatever you can to get him to marry you ASAP.  Then, praise God and be grateful that you have a man, because 80% of your peers never will.

Excellent post. Telling it the way it REALLY is. 
 

impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 5:59 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 5:59 pm

What is your response to those women who never want kids?  Their lives suck because they can't have what they do not want.

Why are you asking for the man's response when at the same time you tell him what you believe it to be?
 

impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 5:59 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 5:59 pm

What is your response to those women who never want kids?  Their lives suck because they can't have what they do not want.

My response is - I don't believe it.  Most women when the meet the right guy - a guy who will actually commit to her and marry her, find themselves desperately wanting a baby when they hit the last few years of their 20's.  Even my wife, when I first met her, said she didn't they wanted to have kids.  Boy, did that change!  Why?  Because as she found out that I was truly committed to her and that I like kids, she couldn't wait to get started!  I asked her about her initial statement/attitude about this when we were dating.  She was afraid that if she mentioned the "B" word, I would get scared and ditch her. I suspect that a lot of women hide their true feelings this way.
 
 
 

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 6:14 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 6:14 pm

My response is - I don't believe it.  Most women when the meet the right guy - a guy who will actually commit to her and marry her, find themselves desperately wanting a baby when they hit the last few years of their 20's.  Even my wife, when I first met her, said she didn't they wanted to have kids.  Boy, did that change!  Why?  Because as she found out that I was truly committed to her and that I like kids, she couldn't wait to get started!  I asked her about her initial statement/attitude about this when we were dating.  She was afraid that if she mentioned the "B" word, I would get scared and ditch her. I suspect that a lot of women hide their true feelings this way.

So you do not believe that these women exist? Hmmm... we have two in my office. 

This also begs the question of why women are having fewer children at this time? Is it only because they can't find mates or could there be at least one more factor?

 

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 6:14 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 6:14 pm

My response is - I don't believe it.  Most women when the meet the right guy - a guy who will actually commit to her and marry her, find themselves desperately wanting a baby when they hit the last few years of their 20's.  Even my wife, when I first met her, said she didn't they wanted to have kids.  Boy, did that change!  Why?  Because as she found out that I was truly committed to her and that I like kids, she couldn't wait to get started!  I asked her about her initial statement/attitude about this when we were dating.  She was afraid that if she mentioned the "B" word, I would get scared and ditch her. I suspect that a lot of women hide their true feelings this way.

It seems as though there are a lot of late 20, early 30 something females these days that have never been married and never had kids, that are in full blown panic mode that they will never have a family now.

There is a biological clock in every female that starts wearing on them around their early 30's whether they want to admit it or not. 
 

impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 6:21 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 6:21 pm

So you do not believe that these women exist? Hmmm... we have two in my office. 

This also begs the question of why women are having fewer children at this time? Is it only because they can't find mates or could there be at least one more factor?

You have two of "them" in your office.  No.  You have two individual women with individual beliefs about and experiences with men, and individual beliefs about having children who work in your office.  You are not in a position to be intimate with them and you work with them, so they will never divulge what they really deeply desire to you. 

I'm sure you dated plenty of women in your lifetime.  I sure have.  I don't care what they look like, what they claim to believe, how they dress or how "hard-core" they pretend they are.  If they aren't lesbians, then they yearn for the same thing most normal women yearn for - a stable man who cares about her, will marry her and who wants to start a family with her.  Even the hard-core biker Nazi-chick with a German eagle tattooed across her chest is a happy mother of 3 (and she has to dress  liike a prude to try and hide the huge german-eagle tat. .)
 
 
 

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 6:30 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 6:30 pm

You have two of "them" in your office.  No.  You have two individual women with individual beliefs about and experiences with men, and individual beliefs about having children who work in your office.  You are not in a position to be intimate with them and you work with them, so they will never divulge what they really deeply desire to you. 

I'm sure you dated plenty of women in your lifetime.  I sure have.  I don't care what they look like, what they claim to believe, how they dress or how "hard-core" they pretend they are.  If they aren't lesbians, then they yearn for the same thing most normal women yearn for - a stable man who cares about her, will marry her and who wants to start a family with her.  Even the hard-core biker Nazi-chick with a German eagle tattooed across her chest (which after getting married she dresses like a prude to try and hide.)

You are correct. I do not know with absolute certainty why they have not had kids. One is late 30's and the other is in her mid 50's. All i know is that the former does not really give a reason... just does not want them. However, they have CHOSEN to not have kids... And according to your logic, have not done so solely due to lack of suitable mates. I can think of at least a dozen reasons for not having kids in addition to lack of suitable mates. 

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 5:52 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 5:52 pm

Women have demanded too much from men, using government as a tool to enforce what they can't get for themselves.  Well, men have caught on.  Young men cannot be cajoled into getting married to a woman.  Now, they have been getting their baby-batter snipped.  This process is not nearly as reversible as doctors would lead you to believe. 

Also, as boys grow into men, they get used to not having to care about children and they will be far less likely to start making the baby batter again.  So, now a woman must consider the following in life:

• She only has about 10 years to convince a man who is her contemporary to marry her - from about 18 to 28. And, as she approaches 28, about only another 7 years to convince a much older man who has been divorced or is too weird to ever get married to marry her.
• Far more women than men are now attending college.  So, college age women have far fewer males to pick from who would be their contemporaries and intellectual equals.  Finding their "forever guy" is not likely in college.
• Internet dating - these sites are for men and women to hook up and have sex.  This does nothing for women who want to find a loving committed man to marry.
• Many men have resolved to never get married - even harder for a woman to find a man to marry in the limited time span she has.
• Older men are seeking out marriage with foreign born women, like Russians, Filipinos, etc.  Why?  Because they understand how to treat a man.
• Feminists are loud, obnoxious, demanding, shrill, angry, back-stabbing, self-entitled, selfish women - no man in their right mind will EVER be interested in marrying one of those.  They are barely any good for a one-night stand.
• Most 20-something men are fat, lazy, unemployed, doper, gaming pajama-boys.  Even a one-eyed, serial rapist would be more appealing.

It sucks to be a woman over the age of 23.  Their prospects of marriage, having a family and creating a home with a dedicated man are getting slimmer by the day.  The best advice I could possibly give to a woman is find a guy 5-15 years older than you when you are between 18 and 22 and do whatever you can to get him to marry you ASAP.  Then, praise God and be grateful that you have a man, because 80% of your peers never will.

Women brought this in themselves.   They called it feminism

RedheadedStranger » 17 Jan 2023, 6:23 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 6:23 pm

It seems as though there are a lot of late 20, early 30 something females these days that have never been married and never had kids, that are in full blown panic mode that they will never have a family now.
 

Yeah, it's really sad.  In my own family, a young woman/relative got married and she's only 23.  The man is only 23 as well.  He's barely employed.  Her parents tried to convince her that getting married was the wrong thing for her to do.  She married her highschool sweetheart whom she dated throughout college. Aside from him not having stable employment, I told everyone I thought they were doing the right thing.  If they can make it work, they will be much happier than the men and women who just float and flounder around in life without  meaning.
 

200 years ago, women NEEDED men.

Then came all the convenience and safety and security of the modern world..

Women can get a pistol.. BAM no lo get need a man to protect them

Women can hire a guy with a backhoe to dig a ditch .. BAM no longer needs a strong back and a shovel.

Etc...

The utility that men used to bring to the table is obsolete. But women still yearn for a masculine presence, and wonder why they are unhappy now.

impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 6:35 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 6:35 pm

You are correct. I do not know with absolute certainty why they have not had kids. One is late 30's and the other is in her mid 50's. All i know is that the former does not really give a reason... just does not want them. However, they have CHOSEN to not have kids... And according to your logic, have not done so solely due to lack of suitable mates. I can think of at least a dozen reasons for not having kids in addition to lack of suitable mates.

I don't.  Oh, sure, there are rare one-off married couples who just don't want to have kids; I know of one such couple who could have had kids but didn't, and they are committed Christians too. But really, I only know of one such couple in all of my experience.

 
 

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 6:39 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 6:39 pm

I don't.  Oh, sure, there are rare one-off married couples who just don't want to have kids; I know of one such couple who could have had kids but didn't, and they are committed Christians too. But really, I only know of one such couple in all of my experience.

Hmmm... so the only reason that people have no kids or very few is lack of suitable mates. Well, it appears that one has not left the house since the Kennedy administration. Some interesting logic for sure.

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 5:52 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 5:52 pm

Women have demanded too much from men, using government as a tool to enforce what they can't get for themselves.  Well, men have caught on.  Young men cannot be cajoled into getting married to a woman.  Now, they have been getting their baby-batter snipped.  This process is not nearly as reversible as doctors would lead you to believe. 

Also, as boys grow into men, they get used to not having to care about children and they will be far less likely to start making the baby batter again.  So, now a woman must consider the following in life:

• She only has about 10 years to convince a man who is her contemporary to marry her - from about 18 to 28. And, as she approaches 28, about only another 7 years to convince a much older man who has been divorced or is too weird to ever get married to marry her.
• Far more women than men are now attending college.  So, college age women have far fewer males to pick from who would be their contemporaries and intellectual equals.  Finding their "forever guy" is not likely in college.
• Internet dating - these sites are for men and women to hook up and have sex.  This does nothing for women who want to find a loving committed man to marry.
• Many men have resolved to never get married - even harder for a woman to find a man to marry in the limited time span she has.
• Older men are seeking out marriage with foreign born women, like Russians, Filipinos, etc.  Why?  Because they understand how to treat a man.
• Feminists are loud, obnoxious, demanding, shrill, angry, back-stabbing, self-entitled, selfish women - no man in their right mind will EVER be interested in marrying one of those.  They are barely any good for a one-night stand.
• Most 20-something men are fat, lazy, unemployed, doper, gaming pajama-boys.  Even a one-eyed, serial rapist would be more appealing.

It sucks to be a woman over the age of 23.  Their prospects of marriage, having a family and creating a home with a dedicated man are getting slimmer by the day.  The best advice I could possibly give to a woman is find a guy 5-15 years older than you when you are between 18 and 22 and do whatever you can to get him to marry you ASAP.  Then, praise God and be grateful that you have a man, because 80% of your peers never will.

I worked with a Nigerian. Young man, educated, spoke very fluent English.
Had a great job, single, decent looking man. Eligible as hell to any young black woman.
...and he was looking earnestly to start a family.
After a few years he gave up and went back to Nigeria to find a good young woman to marry.
He did. His family and previous ties in Africa helped a lot.

I asked him about that journey and to make a long story short he said,
"Black women in America are crazy. Not worth the trouble."

True story. He's happy with a nice wife and children.

SJConspirator » 17 Jan 2023, 6:35 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 6:35 pm

Women brought this in themselves.   They called it feminism

I tend to agree with that.  Well, partially anyway.  What really brought feminism to society?  If I had to venture a guess, it would be the advent of effective birth control and availability of abortion.  Free from the chains of unwanted pregnancy!  Free to force men to perpetually pay for their children.  Free to demean men to a point of them not wanting to stick around very long. The only thing women have had to give up to accomplish this is marriage and creating a real family.
 

impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 6:44 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 6:44 pm

Hmmm... so the only reason that people have no kids or very few is lack of suitable mates. Well, it appears that one has not left the house since the Kennedy administration. Some interesting logic for sure.

I believe so, at least in most cases.  I believe that most women (23 - 38) have a strong desire to have a baby inside of a committed relationship with a man, just as strong as a man's sexual drive. There are always exceptions - I even pointed out that I know a couple who is an exception. 
 

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 6:45 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 6:45 pm

I tend to agree with that.  Well, partially anyway.  What really brought feminism to society?  If I had to venture a guess, it would be the advent of effective birth control and availability of abortion.  Free from the chains of unwanted pregnancy!  Free to force men to perpetually pay for their children.  Free to demean men to a point of them not wanting to stick around very long. The only thing women have had to give up to accomplish this is marriage and creating a real family.

So if a man creates a child... he should be legally free to simply wash his hands of this child? You and my father would be at odds on this. He strongly believed that if you are the biological father and you help create the child then you should own up to it therefore paying child support does not make you a victim. He helped bring six biological children into this world with 3 women... guess what? He was very Conservative and yet not a deadbeat. Having the six kids was the primary reason that we grew up so poor. 
 

DeezerShoove » 17 Jan 2023, 6:45 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 6:45 pm

I worked with a Nigerian. Young man, educated, spoke very fluent English.
Had a great job, single, decent looking man. Eligible as hell to any young black woman.
...and he was looking earnestly to start a family.
After a few years he gave up and went back to Nigeria to find a good young woman to marry.
He did. His family and previous ties in Africa helped a lot.

I asked him about that journey and to make a long story short he said,
"Black women in America are crazy. Not worth the trouble."

True story. He's happy with a nice wife and children.

Women in America have a real entitlement attitude.  Many men don't find that appealing.  And, men who have worked hard for what they have find such an attitude a real threat to their well being and happiness.
 

impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 6:48 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 6:48 pm

So if a man creates a child... he should be legally free to simply wash his hands of this child? You and my father would be at odds on this. He strongly believed that if you are the biological father and you help create the child then you should own up to it therefore paying child support does not make you a victim.

Not at all.  I believe that if a man fathers a child he damn well better marry the woman he fathered the child with.  And, he better do his very best to be a good husband, a good provider and a good father.  Just paying for a kid's food and shelter does not make a person a father.   And the woman better do here absolute best to be a good wife and a good mother.  Society should not only expect, but demand this of people.

Further, divorce should be rare, somewhat difficult to get and discouraged by family, friends and society.