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Being A Woman In Today's World Is A Bad Deal...
Being A Woman In Today's World Is A Bad Deal...
By Skans
17 Jan 2023 4:52 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
17 Jan 2023 5:55 pm
Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 6:52 pm » wrote: ↑ Not at all. I believe that if a man fathers a child he damn well better marry the woman he fathered the child with. And, he better do his very best to be a good husband, a good provider and a good father. Just paying for a kid's food and shelter does not make a person a father. Further, divorce should be rare, somewhat difficult to get and discouraged by family, friends and society.
Ok, so then she should be forced to stay with the man and him with her. Again, some interesting logic.
My three brothers were from another mother. She left them in an apartment in Idaho Falls, Idaho in 1973 and never came back. My bio mother found them and raised them and they ended up OK (except for the oldest). But by your logic, the egg donor (lady who drove off) and my father should have been forced to stay together. Hmmm... seems like a suboptimal outcome.
17 Jan 2023 5:56 pm
Do you think it was a good thing for your dad to father 6 kids with 3 women? IMHO, your father should have stayed with his original wife, done everything to make the marriage work, and his wife should have done everything possible to keep the marriage intact.impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 6:48 pm » wrote: ↑ So if a man creates a child... he should be legally free to simply wash his hands of this child? You and my father would be at odds on this. He strongly believed that if you are the biological father and you help create the child then you should own up to it therefore paying child support does not make you a victim. He helped bring six biological children into this world with 3 women... guess what? He was very Conservative and yet not a deadbeat. Having the six kids was the primary reason that we grew up so poor.
17 Jan 2023 5:58 pm
probably not however I am the product of the fourth and final marriage so obviously I like that he had so many. Not to give the life story but he had one with wife #2, 3 with wife #3, and 2 with wife #4 who supposedly was unable to have kids. I am the first one to come from wife #4. Wife #1 left him when he went to Vietnam. She did not want to live in Leadore, Idaho and found a electrical lineman to shack up with and they moved to somewhere in AZ.Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 6:56 pm » wrote: ↑ Do you think it was a good thing for your dad to father 6 kids with 3 women? IMHO, your father should have stayed with his original wife, done everything to make the marriage work, and his wife should have done everything possible to keep the marriage intact.
17 Jan 2023 5:59 pm
Your father should have been taught how to pick a proper woman. You may think I'm being harsh, but I truly believe that your father and your mother took marriage and having children far too lightly. This should be intolerable. And shunned by family and society.impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 6:55 pm » wrote: ↑ Ok, so then she should be forced to stay with the man and him with her. Again, some interesting logic.
My three brothers were from another mother. She left them in an apartment in Idaho Falls, Idaho in 1973 and never came back. My bio mother found them and raised them and they ended up OK (except for the oldest). But by your logic, the egg donor (lady who drove off) and my father should have been forced to stay together. Hmmm... seems like a suboptimal outcome.
17 Jan 2023 6:01 pm
In a society that values marriage and family, this would never have been tolerated. And, I still believe and will always believe that it should not be condoned or even tolerated.impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 6:58 pm » wrote: ↑ probably not however I am the product of the fourth and final marriage so obviously I like that he had so many. Not to give the life story but he had one with wife #2, 3 with wife #3, and 2 with wife #4 who supposedly was unable to have kids. I am the first one to come from wife #4. Wife #1 left him when he went to Vietnam. She did not want to live in Leadore, Idaho and found a electrical lineman to shack up with and they moved to somewhere in AZ.
Interestingly, something changed around the time of Vietnam. Perhaps even before - a product of WWII. But, something fundamentally changed where women thought they could fornicate with anyone they want to without consequences and the same goes for men. They (and subsequently we) lost what truly matters in this life - the value of family.
17 Jan 2023 6:03 pm
Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 6:59 pm » wrote: ↑ Your father should have been taught how to pick a proper woman. You may think I'm being harsh, but I truly believe that your father and your mother took marriage and having children far too lightly. This should be intolerable. And shunned by family and society.
So my biological mother raising 3 children who were starving and almost dead... should be shunned. Ok. So the egg donor and my dad should have been forced to stick it out. I believe in choice which is apparently diametrically opposed to you.
As for mother, her first husband was gunned down because he did not want to give money to a drug addict. My dad and the rest of the story came 3 years after this.
17 Jan 2023 6:03 pm
Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 5:52 pm » wrote: ↑ Women have demanded too much from men, using government as a tool to enforce what they can't get for themselves. Well, men have caught on. Young men cannot be cajoled into getting married to a woman. Now, they have been getting their baby-batter snipped. This process is not nearly as reversible as doctors would lead you to believe.
Also, as boys grow into men, they get used to not having to care about children and they will be far less likely to start making the baby batter again. So, now a woman must consider the following in life:It sucks to be a woman over the age of 23. Their prospects of marriage, having a family and creating a home with a dedicated man are getting slimmer by the day. The best advice I could possibly give to a woman is find a guy 5-15 years older than you when you are between 18 and 22 and do whatever you can to get him to marry you ASAP. Then, praise God and be grateful that you have a man, because 80% of your peers never will.
- She only has about 10 years to convince a man who is her contemporary to marry her - from about 18 to 28. And, as she approaches 28, about only another 7 years to convince a much older man who has been divorced or is too weird to ever get married to marry her.
- Far more women than men are now attending college. So, college age women have far fewer males to pick from who would be their contemporaries and intellectual equals. Finding their "forever guy" is not likely in college.
- Internet dating - these sites are for men and women to hook up and have sex. This does nothing for women who want to find a loving committed man to marry.
- Many men have resolved to never get married - even harder for a woman to find a man to marry in the limited time span she has.
- Older men are seeking out marriage with foreign born women, like Russians, Filipinos, etc. Why? Because they understand how to treat a man.
- Feminists are loud, obnoxious, demanding, shrill, angry, back-stabbing, self-entitled, selfish women - no man in their right mind will EVER be interested in marrying one of those. They are barely any good for a one-night stand.
- Most 20-something men are fat, lazy, unemployed, doper, gaming pajama-boys. Even a one-eyed, serial rapist would be more appealing.
women did not cause this situation. Go look at who the early feminists were.
17 Jan 2023 6:06 pm
They can't afford it.impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 6:21 pm » wrote: ↑ So you do not believe that these women exist? Hmmm... we have two in my office.
This also begs the question of why women are having fewer children at this time? Is it only because they can't find mates or could there be at least one more factor?
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
17 Jan 2023 6:06 pm
Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 7:01 pm » wrote: ↑ In a society that values marriage and family, this would never have been tolerated. And, I still believe and will always believe that it should not be condoned or even tolerated.
You are pushing these ultra conservative, traditional values. These are highly prized in Russia, Putin is a conservative leader. Yet you support the openly flaming bisexual Zelensky who wants to spread all kinds of destructive immoral Jew behavior.
quite the contradiction
17 Jan 2023 6:07 pm
I know "The Jews". To some degree, you'd probably be right. They do seem to be at the root of female empowerment. But, somehow I don't think a bunch of Jewish women cajoled a bunch of Christian women into championing feminism. Not likely. Something else happened - could have been WWII, the loss of men, lonely women, birth control, many things, but it seems to coalesce around that time period.FOS » 17 Jan 2023, 7:03 pm » wrote: ↑ women did not cause this situation. Go look at who the early feminists were.
17 Jan 2023 6:08 pm
17 Jan 2023 6:09 pm
I support the independence of a soverign nation, and the right of that nation to exist free from the brutality of another nation that simply wants its land and resources. I would have no problem with Putin or the way he runs his own country, had he not decided he was going to take what was clearly not his -- just because he wanted to.SJConspirator » 17 Jan 2023, 7:06 pm » wrote: ↑ You are pushing these ultra conservative, traditional values. These are highly prized in Russia, Putin is a conservative leader. Yet you support the openly flaming bisexual Zelensky who wants to spread all kinds of destructive immoral Jew behavior.
quite the contradiction
17 Jan 2023 6:09 pm
"Lesbians" aren't a real thing. Lesbianism is a social construct.Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 6:30 pm » wrote: ↑ You have two of "them" in your office. No. You have two individual women with individual beliefs about and experiences with men, and individual beliefs about having children who work in your office. You are not in a position to be intimate with them and you work with them, so they will never divulge what they really deeply desire to you.
I'm sure you dated plenty of women in your lifetime. I sure have. I don't care what they look like, what they claim to believe, how they dress or how "hard-core" they pretend they are. If they aren't lesbians, then they yearn for the same thing most normal women yearn for - a stable man who cares about her, will marry her and who wants to start a family with her. Even the hard-core biker Nazi-chick with a German eagle tattooed across her chest is a happy mother of 3 (and she has to dress liike a prude to try and hide the huge german-eagle tat. .)
Every woman wants dick. At a certain point they can only attract men they do not want - crusty pervs who are looking at their kids. So they settle for a woman. More often than not, BOTH women in this "lesbian" relationship have children. They got those NOT from a cabbage patch, but from practicing their genuine sexuality.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
17 Jan 2023 6:10 pm
Like we "choose" to vote uniparty dempublican?impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 6:35 pm » wrote: ↑ You are correct. I do not know with absolute certainty why they have not had kids. One is late 30's and the other is in her mid 50's. All i know is that the former does not really give a reason... just does not want them. However, they have CHOSEN to not have kids... And according to your logic, have not done so solely due to lack of suitable mates. I can think of at least a dozen reasons for not having kids in addition to lack of suitable mates.
Choice implies options - assumes options.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
17 Jan 2023 6:12 pm
I disagree. Feminism was foisted on them. They were prey, at the effect of predators.SJConspirator » 17 Jan 2023, 6:35 pm » wrote: ↑ Women brought this in themselves. They called it feminism
Not to suggest they are entirely blameless - but come on. They were victimized. Even stupid victims deserve SOME sympathy.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
17 Jan 2023 6:12 pm
I actually somewhat agree with that. Some lesbians are the real thing, but they are relatively rare.Cannonpointer » 17 Jan 2023, 7:09 pm » wrote: ↑ "Lesbians" aren't a real thing. Lesbianism is a social construct.
Point taken.
Every woman wants dick. At a certain point they can only attract men they do not want - crusty pervs who are looking at their kids. So they settle for a woman. More often than not, BOTH women in this "lesbian" relationship have children. They got those NOT from a cabbage patch, but from practicing their genuine sexuality.
17 Jan 2023 6:16 pm
NO!impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 6:48 pm » wrote: ↑ So if a man creates a child... he should be legally free to simply wash his hands of this child?
Only women should have sexual agency and be able to walk away from the consequences. If a MAN gets laid, he should have to pay. He should not be able to simply pay the woman for an abortion, and tell her it is her choice. She should be able to enslave him. Can't do the time, don't do the crme. Just whack it.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
17 Jan 2023 6:17 pm
Well I am not one of those men. Nothing makes me feel more responsible and more masculine than dutifully putting sticks on a fire I am not welcome to sit at.Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 6:50 pm » wrote: ↑ Women in America have a real entitlement attitude. Many men don't find that appealing. And, men who have worked hard for what they have find such an attitude a real threat to their well being and happiness.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
17 Jan 2023 6:20 pm
Try, "stronly encouraged, and discouraged from doing otherwise."impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 6:55 pm » wrote: ↑ Ok, so then she should be forced to stay with the man and him with her. Again, some interesting logic.
It works in a lot of healthy cultures. It used to be that way in ours. "Divorcee" as a perjorative - FORGET about running for public office I believe Reagan was our first divorcee president, and he was in a strong committed, longstanding marriage to his second wife.
Try, "stronly encouraged, and discouraged from doing otherwise."impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 6:55 pm » wrote: ↑ My three brothers were from another mother. She left them in an apartment in Idaho Falls, Idaho in 1973 and never came back. My bio mother found them and raised them and they ended up OK (except for the oldest). But by your logic, the egg donor (lady who drove off) and my father should have been forced to stay together. Hmmm... seems like a suboptimal outcome.
There were no optimal outcomes in the scenario you described - only a choice between suboptimal ones.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
17 Jan 2023 6:23 pm
He didn't say anything close to that. But I love beating a strawman, myself - so I won't judge.impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 7:03 pm » wrote: ↑ So my biological mother raising 3 children who were starving and almost dead... should be shunned.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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