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Pastor Blast » 28 Jan 2023, 1:10 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 1:10 pm

imperial Colonaliasm does seem old fashioned when there is an entire solar system.   Everyone should be a rocket scientist.

Rocket science is the study of how to leave one's eternal point of displacement adapting to the moment here as specifically alive in this atmosphere genetics change each ancestor in each species of the food chain plant or animal kingdoms, preador or prey nature of individuals in each ancestral lineage, asexual, male female reproducitons never same ancestors again from inception to extinction, conceived to decomposed within the moment here past, current, next great great grandchild adding another generation forward or not ever again.

Simple compounding rule of 72 and thermodynamics of perpetual balancing molecular migration inverting forms between inorganic universal displacement to ancestral positions never same twice when individually present.

Core of eternity is being eternally separated now. Simple Simon says and life evolving naturally is self evident results now. There isn't a historical reality or new social order reflecting this understanding of equally occupying time now as specifically inhabiting space here.

Accountability like no reality ever speculated life before since dawn of civilization ignoring it constantly expectng better days next rotation of the planet.

Monderegal » 24 Jan 2023, 10:56 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2023, 10:56 am

Everyone knows that wars end. A perpetual state of conflict is not possible. I have a question about the end of the Ukraine conflict. Will Ukraine give Russia territorial concessions of parts of the pre war borders? The experts are pretty split on this right now. What will really make the difference is where the war heads next. Spring is probably going to be the real test when Russia sends more troops in my opinion. Will there be a settlement or a demand by Ukraine to not give an inch of territory?

There will probably be some kind of stalemate in the East.  Maybe at the Dnieper River.  Maybe around the old 2014 lines?
There will be a 'Ukraine', and then a 'East Ukraine' that will only be recognized by Russia and it's allies.  (that's my guess)

Monderegal » 24 Jan 2023, 6:43 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jan 2023, 6:43 pm

So what's the threat to Putin in the Black Sea? Perhaps you can enlighten me with the naval stipulations of the sea and tell me why Putin seemed threatened militarily and needed Crimea. He barely has a navy as it is. I can see the regime wanting to keep its friends in power in Ukraine and make it a vassal state. Tell me that isn't reciprocal too for a man who wanted the US to free an international arms dealer for him. Two to tango. And yes, I'm not really versed in how the law of the sea is enforced, that is not my strong suit. I do know he wanted to own that strait imperially. I guess he thought some country might invade Russia from the sea when they have an arsenal of nuclear weapons.

"Sevastopol Marine Trade Port (SMTP) is a port in Sevastopol. It is located mainly at the Bay of Sevastopol, and at smaller bays around the Heracles peninsula. The port infrastructure is fully integrated with the city of Sevastopol and naval bases of the Russian Navy and the Black Sea Fleet."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Sevastopol

This Base has been a Russian Port for a long time.  The Home of their Black Sea Fleet.

Monderegal » 25 Jan 2023, 11:06 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2023, 11:06 am

I kind of understand what you're saying about all of that. Still, Russia was a benefiting partner in the global regime. Yes, and I think that was a global world order after the Cold War. From what I understand Russia was set to become the 5th largest nation in wealth in GDP in the world. Russia instead became a rouge actor with the sentiment you have provided. This wasn't about self defense in my view. It was an act of historic revisionism and placing Russia on stead with the former USSR that Putin holds so dearly to. I don't think the West was set to colonize Russia. They even invited Russia to form a G8 instead of a G7 at one point.
People are dying in Ukraine now. Hospitals and schools are finding themselves on the other side of drones. I don't really see the purpose of that other than a leader with wounded pride and animosity toward a global structure that ultimately benefits everyone. This isn't really colonialism other than the world is run by international rule of law that provides benefits. The world is set to end global hunger and poverty in the near future due to all of this and Russia was also a beneficiary before the brutality they showed towards Ukraine.

I agree.  Global Capitalism with International Rules (WTO) benefits everyone. 
Russia was doing fine selling Natural Gas to Europe.  
Now, he shot himself in the foot wanting to be Czar Peter the Great.

Monderegal » 25 Jan 2023, 3:12 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2023, 3:12 pm

Actually he is absolutely right. Eastern provinces of Ukraine consider themselves ethnic Russians and there has been a conflict in that region since 2014 prior to the full scale invasion 11 months ago. There were two peace deals called Minsk I and Minsk II that were abandoned in the ceasefire stage. Both sides of that conflict blamed the other one for violating the terms. Then Putin tried to annex all of Ukraine flagrantly which is the full scale conflict the world is now witnessing. .

Total agreement on this.

Monderegal » 26 Jan 2023, 9:44 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jan 2023, 9:44 am

Well, most of what you are saying is probably notions I would agree with. Still, let me ask you one question. Why did Putin invade Ukraine other than his desire for Russian glory? You said it was something he "had" to do. Motive is key here.

Putin has all the Money he wants.
Putin has all the Power he wants.
Putin now ... wants to be remembered in History    as the Great Russian Patriot.

ZiggyX » 28 Jan 2023, 7:18 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 7:18 pm

Total agreement on this.

Pastafarian sock, you loser.
 

Monderegal » 27 Jan 2023, 1:10 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jan 2023, 1:10 pm

The problem would be one of history. The Kiev Rus was settled in the late 900s AD and the Mexican/American border was set in its current form in the mid 1800s. The Cossaks probably consider those lands their homeland BUT it is in the internationally recognized border of Ukraine. That's the problem with annexation. There is international law that also applies. Some might argue against that but it is more beneficial than any of the alternatives IMHO.

Probably the Main Issue.  Kevian Rus and the Primary Chronicles.  
'Russia' feels Ukraine is 'Russian'.

"The work’s name originates from the opening sentence of the text, which reads: “These are the narratives of bygone years regarding the origin of the land of Rus’ (Old East Slavic: Рѹсь), the first princes of Kyiv, and from what source the land of Rus’ had its beginning.”[5]: 51  The work has long been considered to be a fundamental source in the interpretation of the history of the East Slavs. The Chronicle's content is known today from several surviving editions and codices that have been revised over the years and evince a slight degree of variation from each other."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_Chronicle
 

Monderegal » 28 Jan 2023, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 10:45 am

Two things there. First, that was very premature talk about Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO at the Bucharest summit. Also, reports said that Putin wasn't really worried about the expansion but I may be wrong about that one too. Still, I'm not really a fan of invading countries in the 21st century. We should have moved past that by now. Especially after Bush's Iraq failure.

Yeah.  The whole idea of the UN and a Rules based World Order.

ZiggyX » 28 Jan 2023, 6:51 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 6:51 pm

There will probably be some kind of stalemate in the East.  Maybe at the Dnieper River.  Maybe around the old 2014 lines?
There will be a 'Ukraine', and then a 'East Ukraine' that will only be recognized by Russia and it's allies.  (that's my guess)

My estimation is humanity will dissolve by 2030. whether the species survives or not is up to ancestries ending their practice of resonable doubt governance forward.

Skans » 28 Jan 2023, 8:16 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 8:16 am

I don't disagree with that.   Getting illegals out of our nation should be job-number-one, above all else.

Good. So we don't need any more compensatory and cringe-worthy attempts at macho talk from your token gay friend taipan, or any more anti-Russian racist dog whistles from you.

Poor countries are just as smart as white ones. 
 

Monderegal » 28 Jan 2023, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 10:45 am

Two things there. First, that was very premature talk about Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO at the Bucharest summit. Also, reports said that Putin wasn't really worried about the expansion but I may be wrong about that one too. Still, I'm not really a fan of invading countries in the 21st century. We should have moved past that by now. Especially after Bush's Iraq failure.

In this century, we have invaded Ukraine, Syria, Lybia, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Venezuela, and Mexico, where we armed the cartels. That's off the top of my head. 

Now, you may say that we did not "invade" because our military, in a few of those cases, was not present. We used mercs, or we used CIA, or we used irregulars. In other words, you might quibble.

What am I saying, might? It's what you're doing now. You know that we have overthrown multiple governments, creating terrosist movements and setting the conditions for open air slave auctions selling MORE humans than were sold in the subSaharan Diaspora. You know that we staged military invasions of at least three countries that were openly admitted to in the mainstream media. 

Russia stages ONE regime change - ONE restoring democracy, and all of a sudden it's a "bad" thing - cuz 21st century. 

You know, it didn't suddenly become the 21st century the day that Russia began the liberation of the people enslaved and deprived of human rights and democracy by Ukraine. It was ALREADY the 21st century - and your own **** government has ALREADY invaded 3 nations, overthrown the governments of others, stolen the treasury of others, sent mercs and irregulars into others.

Clean your own **** mess. THEN worry about other countries' messes.
 

Cannonpointer » 28 Jan 2023, 9:24 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 9:24 pm

In this century, we have invaded Ukraine, Syria, Lybia, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Venezuela, and Mexico, where we armed the cartels. That's off the top of my head. 

Now, you may say that we did not "invade" because our military, in a few of those cases, was not present. We used mercs, or we used CIA, or we used irregulars. In other words, you might quibble.

What am I saying, might? It's what you're doing now. You know that we have overthrown multiple governments, creating terrosist movements and setting the conditions for open air slave auctions selling MORE humans than were sold in the subSaharan Diaspora. You know that we staged military invasions of at least three countries that were openly admitted to in the mainstream media. 

Russia stages ONE regime change - ONE restoring democracy, and all of a sudden it's a "bad" thing - cuz 21st century. 

You know, it didn't suddenly become the 21st century the day that Russia began the liberation of the people enslaved and deprived of human rights and democracy by Ukraine. It was ALREADY the 21st century - and your own **** government has ALREADY invaded 3 nations, overthrown the governments of others, stolen the treasury of others, sent mercs and irregulars into others.

Clean your own **** mess. THEN worry about other countries' messes.
 

you really know how to spin a narrative to fit a reality you want to reach fruition, tomorrow. Pun intended. there never was a physical tomorrow ever. Just intellectual concepts prior to international dateline existing dawn was the beginning of a new day and thhe IDL only started in the 19th century.

Nostradamus'omh » 28 Jan 2023, 8:26 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 8:26 pm

My estimation is humanity will dissolve by 2030. whether the species survives or not is up to ancestries ending their practice of resonable doubt governance forward.

Try to maintain a positive attitude.

ZiggyX » 28 Jan 2023, 10:47 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 10:47 pm

Try to maintain a positive attitude.

I am positive our government is dysfunctional lol.  Putin has to go.

ZiggyX » 28 Jan 2023, 10:47 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 10:47 pm

Try to maintain a positive attitude.

ha ha ha ha ha ha I do have a postive attitude minus the platitude of pretending to be more than my ancestral time displaced evolving forward here in plain sight. I am so possitive I understand how to end this species fulfilling their own [prophecies managed by reasonable doubt I spent the time I have left adapting to the moment here for 16 revolutions around the star using message boards to communicate brain to brain with people I will never meet face to face.

Anonymous honesty leaving anyone I discuss things with, with the free will to stay in corrupted state of mind or reclaim your time since arriving a fertilized cell that evolved into your organ behind your eyes and between your ears as unique as your DNA and fingerprints no vernacular tribalism changes in real time.

Intelelctual Aramgeddon is an actual civil war that never harms a reproduction having a conversation with me technollgiclaly on the message boards that allow me to post for free. Free honesty in return, but honesty doesn't get paid more than punished for not complying with social consensus ignoring now is eternity.

I didn't start the fire of self destruction as a species ancestrally forward throughout history, but my ancestry was enslaved to deny real time to protect those in charge of defying real time cradle to grave.

Freedom to understand genetic self evident results doesn't give society or anyone rights to demand everyone ignore their time adapting to occupying space now.

Cannonpointer » 28 Jan 2023, 9:24 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 9:24 pm

In this century, we have invaded Ukraine, Syria, Lybia, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Venezuela, and Mexico, where we armed the cartels. That's off the top of my head. 

Now, you may say that we did not "invade" because our military, in a few of those cases, was not present. We used mercs, or we used CIA, or we used irregulars. In other words, you might quibble.

What am I saying, might? It's what you're doing now. You know that we have overthrown multiple governments, creating terrosist movements and setting the conditions for open air slave auctions selling MORE humans than were sold in the subSaharan Diaspora. You know that we staged military invasions of at least three countries that were openly admitted to in the mainstream media. 

Russia stages ONE regime change - ONE restoring democracy, and all of a sudden it's a "bad" thing - cuz 21st century. 

You know, it didn't suddenly become the 21st century the day that Russia began the liberation of the people enslaved and deprived of human rights and democracy by Ukraine. It was ALREADY the 21st century - and your own **** government has ALREADY invaded 3 nations, overthrown the governments of others, stolen the treasury of others, sent mercs and irregulars into others.

Clean your own **** mess. THEN worry about other countries' messes.

We haven't invaded Ukraine, Syria, Libya (although there was an intervention there under R2P), Yemen, Venezuela, or Mexico. When we did invade Iraq it was met by condemnation even within the United States among others and it wasn't a mission to build empire. Afghanistan has been called the "good war" because we had a large host of nations supporting the mission (which is also the case with Iraq). Ukraine was simply a response by Russia to take territory because Putin didn't like how Ukrainian politics was heading. Did the Ukrainian people want closer ties with the West? Probably and I'm not going to be so naïve to say the West didn't play some sort of role in Ukrainian politics. Guess what, Russia did too. War was not merited in the case of Ukraine given its ultimate motive.

Monderegal » 29 Jan 2023, 9:39 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jan 2023, 9:39 am

We haven't invaded Ukraine, Syria, Libya (although there was an intervention there under R2P), Yemen, Venezuela, or Mexico. When we did invade Iraq it was met by condemnation even within the United States among others and it wasn't a mission to build empire. Afghanistan has been called the "good war" because we had a large host of nations supporting the mission (which is also the case with Iraq). Ukraine was simply a response by Russia to take territory because Putin didn't like how Ukrainian politics was heading. Did the Ukrainian people want closer ties with the West? Probably and I'm not going to be so naïve to say the West didn't play some sort of role in Ukrainian politics. Guess what, Russia did too. War was not merited in the case of Ukraine given its ultimate motive.

  Robotic barbarian war slaver corporation view points where the individual citizens who are being random bombed have no way to obtain any representation for various life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness negotiations. People should be studying the way that Russia was able to terminate the Soviet Union thought control monarchy and change over to a Constitutional Republic.
  

Monderegal » 29 Jan 2023, 9:39 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jan 2023, 9:39 am

We haven't invaded Ukraine, Syria, Libya (although there was an intervention there under R2P), Yemen, Venezuela, or Mexico. When we did invade Iraq it was met by condemnation even within the United States among others and it wasn't a mission to build empire. Afghanistan has been called the "good war" because we had a large host of nations supporting the mission (which is also the case with Iraq). Ukraine was simply a response by Russia to take territory because Putin didn't like how Ukrainian politics was heading. Did the Ukrainian people want closer ties with the West? Probably and I'm not going to be so naïve to say the West didn't play some sort of role in Ukrainian politics. Guess what, Russia did too. War was not merited in the case of Ukraine given its ultimate motive.

You keep saying Putin wants this or Putin wants that while also claiming to know what his "True" ultimate motive is.........
Your whole post is rediculous because your opinion is based soley on propoganda based assumptions which have no currency in  the real world .
I ask you ....what would be your response if China commited a coup in Canada and then installed a pro-Chinese governnment in Canada  that worked against the U.S. and it's interests and announced that they are pulling out of NATO and joining The BRIC.....
how would our military leaders and politicians respond to this .....?
 

Majik » 29 Jan 2023, 1:25 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jan 2023, 1:25 pm

You keep saying Putin wants this or Putin wants that while also claiming to know what his "True" ultimate motive is.........
Your whole post is rediculous because your opinion is based soley on propoganda based assumptions which have no currency in  the real world .
I ask you ....what would be your response if China commited a coup in Canada and then installed a pro-Chinese governnment in Canada  that worked against the U.S. and it's interests and announced that they are pulling out of NATO and joining The BRIC.....
how would our military leaders and politicians respond to this .....?
 

You should use Brazil as the example where it is actually going on.