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While liberals in America are pushing for socialized medicine, Canada realizes it doesn't work. 

Ontario Premier Doug Ford announced that Canada's largest province would take a page from the U.S. playbook—and expand private care in order to provide some relief to the millions of Canadians waiting for treatment.
 Ford recounted that a CEO had told him, "There's only two places in the world that have the health care that we have . . . Cuba and North Korea."
 "We need to improve," Ford said. "So we're making the changes with the support of the CEOs and with the associations." Ford's push to expand private care is a necessary step out of the socialist wilderness. More importantly, it signals a shift in the popular consciousness. How can progressive Americans advocate for Medicare for All with a straight face when their beau idéal, Canada, is going in the opposite direction?

 

golfboy » 01 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm

While liberals in America are pushing for socialized medicine, Canada realizes it doesn't work.

I know a few Canadians.
Realizations were there long ago.
Government is not just tone deaf. It is deaf.

Many people knew. Just like here.
Government sucks pretty much everywhere.
Couple that with special interests and it REALLY sucks.

golfboy » 01 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm

While liberals in America are pushing for socialized medicine, Canada realizes it doesn't work.

USA has the highest health care expenditures per capita, with the worst outcomes and low life expectancy, compared to countries with single payer,

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankin ... er_capita/

of course, this is not to say that the US should have universal health care.  It only works for (relatively) small, racially homogenous populations 

golfboy » 01 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm

While liberals in America are pushing for socialized medicine, Canada realizes it doesn't work.

Medicare for seniors has not socialized health care for seniors. They still get their health care from the private sector. The COSTS are socialized. The delivery is not. 

Most people on medicare have supplemental private policies. This is because medicare has substantial copays.

I don't believe medicare for all is a good idea, as it would add about 2.5 trillion to the federal government's mismanagement opportunities. But I think understanding what you are talking about is an excellent idea. Medicare is not socialized medicine. It's socialized insurance. 

 PS - if this nation were 100% anglo, I would have a different opinion about medicare for all. I am a proponent of the public option - an nsurance policy run not-for-profit that is not compulsory. 

SJConspirator » 02 Feb 2023, 12:40 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 12:40 am

USA has the highest health care expenditures per capita, with the worst outcomes and low life expectancy, compared to countries with single payer,

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankin ... er_capita/

of course, this is not to say that the US should have universal health care.  It only works for (relatively) small, racially homogenous populations

That's where I went - if we were one race, I'd be all for it.

Diversity is our strength, ya know - and we have WAY too much **** strength to be trying single payer. 
 
 

golfboy » 01 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm

While liberals in America are pushing for socialized medicine, Canada realizes it doesn't work.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/is-canadi ... ir%20money.

For many Canadians, our universal health care system is a source of national pride. But the head of a government-funded health care improvement organization says Canada’s system barely ranks above that of the U.S. and lags far behind systems in Europe, where taxpayers get more care for their money.

Snicker. 

Cannonpointer » 02 Feb 2023, 12:55 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 12:55 am

That's where I went - if we were one race, I'd be all for it.

Diversity is our strength, ya know - and we have WAY too much **** strength to be trying single payer.

every country with successful single payer has very little diversity.  Japan, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, etc.. In the UK, voters have rebuffed every candidate who even hinted at privatizing the health care system., they are very protective of the “jewel”.

the insurance companies look at those systems and writhe in thwarted greed.  They have been trying to get some of that sweet government funding, take it away from citizens.. it looks like they might succeed in Canada

Z09 » 02 Feb 2023, 6:55 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 6:55 am

"...millions of Canadians waiting for treatment...."...

Enough said...

Due to the pandemic. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-su ... -1.5629360

What I’ve read about the Ontario plan to privatize some healthcare is that this is only a temporary measure. 

Canada’s healthcare system still ranks ahead of our insurance care system. 
 

golfboy » 01 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Feb 2023, 8:09 pm

While liberals in America are pushing for socialized medicine, Canada realizes it doesn't work.

Ontario is a province within Canada. There are nine other provinces in Canada that are not privatizing some of tgeir healthcare. 

Learn the difference between a province and an entire country, Gulping boy. 
 

Cannonpointer » 02 Feb 2023, 12:53 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 12:53 am

Medicare for seniors has not socialized health care for seniors. They still get their health care from the private sector. The COSTS are socialized. The delivery is not. 

Most people on medicare have supplemental private policies. This is because medicare has substantial copays.

I don't believe medicare for all is a good idea, as it would add about 2.5 trillion to the federal government's mismanagement opportunities. But I think understanding what you are talking about is an excellent idea. Medicare is not socialized medicine. It's socialized insurance. 

 PS - if this nation were 100% anglo, I would have a different opinion about medicare for all. I am a proponent of the public option - an nsurance policy run not-for-profit that is not compulsory.

There is no nation around today with a 100% Anglo population. 
 

SJConspirator » 02 Feb 2023, 1:11 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 1:11 am

every country with successful single payer has very little diversity.  Japan, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, etc.. In the UK, voters have rebuffed every candidate who even hinted at privatizing the health care system., they are very protective of the “jewel”.

the insurance companies look at those systems and writhe in thwarted greed.  They have been trying to get some of that sweet government funding, take it away from citizens.. it looks like they might succeed in Canada

Canada is pretty diverse, as is the UK. Pretty sure those Scandinavian countries are too. 

Toronto has more immigrants living there than people born in Canada. 
 

Pastafarian » 02 Feb 2023, 7:45 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 7:45 am

Canada is pretty diverse, as is the UK. Pretty sure those Scandinavian countries are too. 

Toronto has more immigrants living there than people born in Canada.

Canada and UK have a more diverse population than the entire US?

That's your assertion?
 

SJConspirator » 02 Feb 2023, 12:40 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 12:40 am

USA has the highest health care expenditures per capita, with the worst outcomes and low life expectancy, compared to countries with single payer,

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankin ... er_capita/

of course, this is not to say that the US should have universal health care.  It only works for (relatively) small, racially homogenous populations

There are other factors. Lifestyle is one of them. The obesity rate in America 41%. State of Obesity 2022: Better Policies for a Healthier America - TFAH

You can't blame our healthcare system for our people being a bunch of lazy fat asses. Of course it's going to expensive. A lot of health issues come with obesity. 

Vegas » 02 Feb 2023, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 10:21 am

There are other factors. Lifestyle is one of them. The obesity rate in America 41%. State of Obesity 2022: Better Policies for a Healthier America - TFAH

You can't blame our healthcare system for our people being a bunch of lazy fat asses. Of course it's going to expensive. A lot of health issues come with obesity.

We do not have a health care system, we have an insurance system. 

People are overweight in America bcuz we do not promote healthy lifestyles like those countries with single payer healthcare. 
 

SJConspirator » 02 Feb 2023, 10:16 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 10:16 am

Canada and UK have a more diverse population than the entire US?

That's your assertion?

I did not say that. I only stated that they certainly have a diverse population. 
 

Pastafarian » 02 Feb 2023, 10:27 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 10:27 am

We do not have a health care system, we have an insurance system. 

 

Uggghhhh...I can always count on a progressive to twist **** around. Yes, we have insurance...FOR OUR HEALTHCARE!

Vegas » 02 Feb 2023, 10:41 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 10:41 am

Uggghhhh...I can always count on a progressive to twist **** around. Yes, we have insurance...FOR OUR HEALTHCARE!

we have insurance to pay for outcomes. Healthcare involves informing pts about their health, our insurance care does not do this. In fact if an American has pre-existing conditions insurance companies will not pay for their healthcare in most cases. 

healthcare is most important to those with pre-existing conditions and our insurance care ignores them. 

 

Pastafarian » 02 Feb 2023, 10:46 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 10:46 am

we have insurance to pay for outcomes. Healthcare involves informing pts about their health, our insurance care does not do this. In fact if an American has pre-existing conditions insurance companies will not pay for their healthcare in most cases. 

healthcare is most important to those with pre-existing conditions and our insurance care ignores them.

Yes, I know. We all know. You aren't saying anything profound. Ok? Knock it off. Either come up with refuting my actual point, or **** off. 

Vegas » 02 Feb 2023, 10:49 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 10:49 am

Yes, I know. We all know. You aren't saying anything profound. Ok? Knock it off. Either come up with refuting my actual point, or **** off.

I just refuted your ****. 

Healthcare takes care of every citizen. Insurance care takes care of the people who can afford it. 

See the difference now, clown car?
 
 

Pastafarian » 02 Feb 2023, 10:59 am » wrote: ↑

02 Feb 2023, 10:59 am

I just refuted your ****. 

Healthcare takes care of every citizen. Insurance care takes care of the people who can afford it. 

See the difference now, clown car?

That isn't the point. It's about the cost that our lifestyle to the healthcare system. I don't give a **** who pays. The insurance. The hospitals. Aliens from outer space. God. I don't **** care. 

The fact remains that it's our lifestyle that rings up the costs...regardless of who pays.  God man. I am so sick of having to dumb **** down for you progressives.