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Pastafarian » 14 Feb 2023, 10:37 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 10:37 am

Then why must people stand for “America tge beautiful” as well?

Stand, don't stand.  Who is really affected by this...

Selaphobia » 14 Feb 2023, 11:55 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 11:55 am

There I am in my house standing and saluting and Collin has the nerve to take a knee.

A knee to protest because he could not stand to show pride in the flag of a country that oppressed black people.

DON'T STAND, STAY SEATED

Darn those uppity ******. Calling attention to discrimination inequality and prejudice in our society how dare they?

Selaphobia » 14 Feb 2023, 11:58 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 11:58 am

I was.

Circumstances were a little bit different.  

Mrkelly » 14 Feb 2023, 11:05 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 11:05 am

There is nothing that “requires” that you stand for the national anthem either

Yeah, there is.

36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem 

(a) Designation.—The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—

(1) when the flag is displayed—

(A)individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B)members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C)all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(2)when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.(Pub. L. 105–225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1263; Pub. L. 110–417, [div. A], title V, § 595, Oct. 14, 2008, 122 Stat. 4475.)
 
 
 

Skans » 14 Feb 2023, 11:33 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 11:33 am

America The Beautiful is not the national anthem.  No one cares if you stand or sit for it.  There is but one national anthem - The Star Spangled Banner.  Stand for it, or be ridiculed and labeled anti-American by real Americans.

And here I was led to believe that lefties wanted to be like all these other countries...liberals are stoooooopid.

https://scroll.in/article/683189/stand- ... -the-issue

https://globalsportmatters.com/culture/ ... -the-same/

Selaphobia » 14 Feb 2023, 12:00 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:00 pm

WRONG VENUE, SUCKER

They got your attention and that seems to be the goal so how is it the wrong venue?
Somehow when black people protest against discrimination prejudice and inequality it's always the wrong venue

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UvC4xq32AX8

slideman » 14 Feb 2023, 12:04 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:04 pm

They got your attention and that seems to be the goal so how is it the wrong venue?
Somehow when black people protest against discrimination prejudice and inequality it's always the wrong venue

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UvC4xq32AX8

The problem you have here is that you only make a vapid claim and offer NOTHING to back it up!! So show us where all this discrimination, prejudice and inequality is so much in desperate need of protests!!

That should be EASY to find DOCUMENTED cases that are in such massive numbers that you have those right at the tip of your fingers if you made such a claim!!

Now GO!!

Beekeeper » 14 Feb 2023, 12:00 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:00 pm

Yeah, there is.

36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem 

(a) Designation.—The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—

(1) when the flag is displayed—

(A)individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B)members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C)all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(2)when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.(Pub. L. 105–225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1263; Pub. L. 110–417, [div. A], title V, § 595, Oct. 14, 2008, 122 Stat. 4475.)

  Where does it say “required “?
 

Selaphobia » 14 Feb 2023, 11:46 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 11:46 am

I DO NOT GIVE A **** ABOUT ANY EX GREEN BERET SUGGESTS!
I DECIDE! AND I DECIDED TO SMASH THE TELEVISON AND NOT WATCH TELEVISION AGAIN

ONCE AGAIN **** WHAT THE GREEN BERET SAYS! 

YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT I SHOULD CONSIDER WHAT THE GREEN BERET SAYS?
GOD DAMN SON YOU ARE STUPID!

  But but … respect the troops right?   

Beekeeper » 14 Feb 2023, 12:00 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:00 pm

Yeah, there is.

36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem 

(a) Designation.—The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—

(1) when the flag is displayed—

(A)individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B)members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C)all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(2)when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.(Pub. L. 105–225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1263; Pub. L. 110–417, [div. A], title V, § 595, Oct. 14, 2008, 122 Stat. 4475.)

Just a suggestion is all 36 U.S. Code § 301 is.... .... exactly why you can burn a flag, wear it or do anything else you want to do with it.....only punishable by UCMJ...which is active duty. 

Mrkelly » 14 Feb 2023, 11:40 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 11:40 am

you don’t get to decide how and when someone peacefully protests

https://youtu.be/ma6gSKDZtq0

I might get to decide.  If I'm their employer, I can legally prevent the from conducting protest "on the clock" and keep them from protesting on my property.

However, I think you were referring to the generic "you"...and you are correct.  However, they don't get to decide how I interpret their protest or how I react to it.  And the exact same thing that gives them the right to protest, gives me the right to call them an unpatriotic idiot as loud and as often as I choose.
 
 

Selaphobia » 14 Feb 2023, 12:18 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:18 pm

Would you consider Burning a Flag, disrespectful (regardless of legality)?

@Mrkelly

yes

ConsRule » 14 Feb 2023, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:17 pm

I might get to decide.  If I'm their employer, I can legally prevent the from conducting protest "on the clock" and keep them from protesting on my property.

However, I think you were referring to the generic "you"...and you are correct.  However, they don't get to decide how I interpret their protest or how I react to it.  And the exact same thing that gives them the right to protest, gives me the right to call them an unpatriotic idiot as loud and as often as I choose.
 
 

two wrongs establish human rights to never accept life for all it actually does in plain sight.

Selaphobia » 14 Feb 2023, 12:18 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:18 pm

Would you consider Burning a Flag, disrespectful (regardless of legality)?

@Mrkelly

Not always.  The proper method for disposing of a worn or tattered flag is for it to be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
 

Selaphobia » 14 Feb 2023, 12:18 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:18 pm

Would you consider Burning a Flag, disrespectful (regardless of legality)?

@Mrkelly

I have burned many a flags, none out of disrespect, but because it is the preferred method.

1. How to Properly Dispose of an American Flaghttps://nationalflagfoundation.org/etiquette/how...
   • How to Dispose of a Flag
     • Burning a Flag. The first way to dispose of an American Flag is to hold a Flag burning …
     • Community Disposal Box. A second way to dispose of an American Flag is to drop it off in a …
     • Burying a Flag. Although the U.S. Code says that burning is the preferred method to dispose …

Selaphobia » 14 Feb 2023, 12:22 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:22 pm

If a Green Beret told you that it is OK to burn a flag, would it change your mind?
 
 

No.

Selaphobia » 14 Feb 2023, 12:22 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:22 pm

If a Green Beret told you that it is OK to burn a flag, would it change your mind?

it IS OK to burn a flag

what the hell are you talking about?

why do you hate the troops?

Mrkelly » 14 Feb 2023, 11:40 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 11:40 am

How about the ex green beret that suggested that kaepernick take a knee instead of setting on the bench?

you don’t get to decide how and when someone peacefully protests

https://youtu.be/ma6gSKDZtq0

No, but I do get to decide when I'm extremely offended by disrespectful punks that have everything on a silver spoon and feel the need to spout off **** on how oppressed they are. I do get to decide to boycott any companies that promote or enable rich punks that have no respect for the country that enabled them to get stinking rich. In many lefty/socialist/communist countries around the world, Craponick would be ridiculed, hounded, and possibly jailed or worse for disrespecting their Anthem/Country.
 

Selaphobia » 14 Feb 2023, 12:39 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:39 pm

What you don't get is I CAN MAKE A DECISION BASED ON ACTION

I don't care if it is OK to burn a flag. I don't care if a Green Beret told Collin to take a knee.
I don't care if @Mr. 7  or @ConsRule    agree or disagree that it is OK to burn a flag.

It is their OPINION (and some law as well). I do not disrespect them for that.

Collin Kaepernick took a knee and in my opinion that was disrespectful based on ACTION.

I MADE A DECISION BASED ON ACTION

YOU DON'T GET THAT CONCEPT, DO YOU?

I CAN AND DO RESPECT THE TROOPS AND ALL OF THOSE THAT SERVED AND DIED.
I HOLD NO GRUDGE AGAINST A GREEN BERET BASED ON THE ACTION THAT COLLIN TOOK.

who the hell said that you couldn’t “make a decision based on action”?

you are just ranting now Karen

EDC4ALL! » 14 Feb 2023, 12:43 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:43 pm

No, but I do get to decide when I'm extremely offended by disrespectful punks that have everything on a silver spoon and feel the need to spout off **** on how oppressed they are. I do get to decide to boycott any companies that promote or enable rich punks that have no respect for the country that enabled them to get stinking rich. In many lefty/socialist/communist countries around the world, Craponick would be ridiculed, hounded, and possibly jailed or worse for disrespecting their Anthem/Country.

who said that you weren’t?