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Contemporary political theory seems to have the political spectrum as a single line. The left reaches all the way to radical communism. The right reaches all the way to radical fascism. There is a problem with this. It has become something in political science called horseshoe theory. The fact is that both fascism and communism are mostly one in the same. Therefore the spectrum is not a straight line but converges on the ends like a horseshoe. Both communism and fascism are dictatorships that rely on socialist policies that come from extremely authoritative governments.. Therefore most of the radicals are expressing the same beliefs. Perhaps the history of the USSR and Nazi Germany have skewed the spectrum. Is there really any difference between the radicals?
 

Monderegal » 15 Feb 2023, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2023, 2:06 pm

Contemporary political theory seems to have the political spectrum as a single line. The left reaches all the way to radical communism. The right reaches all the way to radical fascism. There is a problem with this. It has become something in political science called horseshoe theory. The fact is that both fascism and communism are mostly one in the same. Therefore the spectrum is not a straight line but converges on the ends like a horseshoe. Both communism and fascism are dictatorships that rely on socialist policies that come from extremely authoritative governments.. Therefore most of the radicals are expressing the same beliefs. Perhaps the history of the USSR and Nazi Germany have skewed the spectrum. Is there really any difference between the radicals?
 

when are you ever going to be honest about evolving in real time? You open up your post wanting history to repeat over and over again so you believe you got in front of the curve living eternally separated forward now.

Look at you, your social mentality is living 90 years ago.

Monderegal » 15 Feb 2023, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2023, 2:06 pm

Contemporary political theory seems to have the political spectrum as a single line. The left reaches all the way to radical communism. The right reaches all the way to radical fascism. There is a problem with this. It has become something in political science called horseshoe theory. The fact is that both fascism and communism are mostly one in the same. Therefore the spectrum is not a straight line but converges on the ends like a horseshoe. Both communism and fascism are dictatorships that rely on socialist policies that come from extremely authoritative governments.. Therefore most of the radicals are expressing the same beliefs. Perhaps the history of the USSR and Nazi Germany have skewed the spectrum. Is there really any difference between the radicals?

According to Tom Friedman in his book 'The Earth is Flat', Capitalism is the only surviving economic system today.
I think the current battle lines are over the Cultural War, 'Christians' vs 'Pagan Left'.
'Authoritarianism' seems to be a common trait between the 'Religionists' and the 'Wokesters'.

ZiggyX » 16 Feb 2023, 2:04 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 2:04 am

According to Tom Friedman in his book 'The Earth is Flat', Capitalism is the only surviving economic system today.
I think the current battle lines are over the Cultural War, 'Christians' vs 'Pagan Left'.
'Authoritarianism' seems to be a common trait between the 'Religionists' and the 'Wokesters'.

you are an educated fool that replaced your ancestral position evolving forward now by personal choice and dedication to serve reasonable doubt.

Monderegal » 15 Feb 2023, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2023, 2:06 pm

Contemporary political theory seems to have the political spectrum as a single line. The left reaches all the way to radical communism. The right reaches all the way to radical fascism. There is a problem with this. It has become something in political science called horseshoe theory. The fact is that both fascism and communism are mostly one in the same. Therefore the spectrum is not a straight line but converges on the ends like a horseshoe. Both communism and fascism are dictatorships that rely on socialist policies that come from extremely authoritative governments.. Therefore most of the radicals are expressing the same beliefs. Perhaps the history of the USSR and Nazi Germany have skewed the spectrum. Is there really any difference between the radicals?

   Cloaked monarchy's, wonderful representation for large government regulated corporation groups, little or no representation for the individual citizen (pleb, serf peasant, etc.).

The people running the cloaked monarchy just need their non negotiable mandatory contracts to continue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_fwHvzNpeA
 
   

Bob » 16 Feb 2023, 7:41 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 7:41 am

   Cloaked monarchy's, wonderful representation for large government regulated corporation groups, little or no representation for the individual citizen (pleb, serf peasant, etc.).

The people running the cloaked monarchy just need their non negotiable mandatory contracts to continue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_fwHvzNpeA
 
   

different interpretations working the same methodology still sustain same results on parallel angles in series time of operating here now. networking organized doubt through technology working instant communication between 24 time zones intellectually dividing up living as eternally separated in plain sight.
when 1/3 the population is sleeping each rotation, the other 2/3rds is working against their interpretation lasting longer than theirs does.

guess why every reality implodes within itself as easy as conquered by anyone else. Self inflicted within the same species smart enough to fol each other into wiping their own species out from within their own species.

Evil Live all the time because ancestors loathe the time they get forced to adapt or become extinct now, the only way living happens here in this unique atmosphere universally present.

Keep **** each other out of your own brains, I alteast figure out a way to correct it without harming a sole reproduction corrupted and corrupting each other.

Just another sole that gets ignore or crucified by ridicule cradle to grave.

Monderegal » 15 Feb 2023, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2023, 2:06 pm

Contemporary political theory seems to have the political spectrum as a single line. The left reaches all the way to radical communism. The right reaches all the way to radical fascism. There is a problem with this. It has become something in political science called horseshoe theory. The fact is that both fascism and communism are mostly one in the same. Therefore the spectrum is not a straight line but converges on the ends like a horseshoe. Both communism and fascism are dictatorships that rely on socialist policies that come from extremely authoritative governments.. Therefore most of the radicals are expressing the same beliefs. Perhaps the history of the USSR and Nazi Germany have skewed the spectrum. Is there really any difference between the radicals?

ZiggyX » 16 Feb 2023, 2:04 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 2:04 am

According to Tom Friedman in his book 'The Earth is Flat', Capitalism is the only surviving economic system today.
I think the current battle lines are over the Cultural War, 'Christians' vs 'Pagan Left'.
'Authoritarianism' seems to be a common trait between the 'Religionists' and the 'Wokesters'.

That book is a little dated but still holds up somewhat in light of the fall of the USSR (around the turn of the century). Now China remains a Communist nation and many nations (India and Russia are of large note) have turned somewhat towards autocracy. Still, the market based economy holds even in China although they have had a slowdown in their economy as of late.

Monderegal » 16 Feb 2023, 10:10 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 10:10 am

That book is a little dated but still holds up somewhat in light of the fall of the USSR (around the turn of the century). Now China remains a Communist nation and many nations (India and Russia are of large note) have turned somewhat towards autocracy. Still, the market based economy holds even in China although they have had a slowdown in their economy as of late.

Your social mind may have a contextual soul conscience, but your brain lost your direction as a sole displacement being eternally separated in plain sight.

Monderegal » 16 Feb 2023, 10:10 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 10:10 am

That book is a little dated but still holds up somewhat in light of the fall of the USSR (around the turn of the century). Now China remains a Communist nation and many nations (India and Russia are of large note) have turned somewhat towards autocracy. Still, the market based economy holds even in China although they have had a slowdown in their economy as of late.

Yes.  It is dated, but still holds true.
China is not 'Communist', it is a capitalist, market-based economy.  
It's Stocks, like Baidu, Tencent, Alibaba, trade on the Stock Exchanges.
Americans invest and trade Chinese Stocks everyday.
China is a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO).
Now, the Government is 'Autocratic', but so is Saudi Arabia.  That doesn't mean it's 'communist'.
 

The Socialists did not benefit from this in Yugoslavia.
Are Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and Kosovo Socialist dictatorships now?
I do not think this is a valid comparison.
The US was never divided into ethnic states as Yugoslavia is.

I do agree that name-calling is a negative thing. People with guns of course should know how to use them.

Trumpism encouraged divisiveness. Do not vote for Trumpists.

Monderegal » 15 Feb 2023, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2023, 2:06 pm

Contemporary political theory seems to have the political spectrum as a single line. The left reaches all the way to radical communism. The right reaches all the way to radical fascism. There is a problem with this. It has become something in political science called horseshoe theory. The fact is that both fascism and communism are mostly one in the same. Therefore the spectrum is not a straight line but converges on the ends like a horseshoe. Both communism and fascism are dictatorships that rely on socialist policies that come from extremely authoritative governments.. Therefore most of the radicals are expressing the same beliefs. Perhaps the history of the USSR and Nazi Germany have skewed the spectrum. Is there really any difference between the radicals?

Nonsense.   Let's look at this from a practical standpoint.  The leaders on the far left or far right just want power - they want it anyway they can get it without actually having to work for it within a system which they neither have the skills or resources to achieve any success. They are power-hungry people who are "shut-out" of the existing power structure.  To that extent, there is little difference when we get down to what really drives them - Communism, Fascism, or Anarchy.

Rhetoric and ideology are just tools leaders on the extreme right or extreme left use to influence others to follow them.  Their bottom line is they want power and they want it from as many people they can get to follow them.

The followers on the extreme right or extreme left tend to be kids and young adults; perhaps some slightly older adults who have psychological or other problems which keep them from being successful, productive members of society.  These people are mostly needy, naive, gullible, lower intelligence or mentally disturbed.  In fact, you will often see these people go from being radical communists and/or anarchists to switching over to fascist nazis.   It really doesn't matter to them so long as the Leader and the rest of the group makes them feel important.

I don't buy into any of the ideology you mention in your OP.  Its all about Power and Empowerment. 
 
 

They are not the same thing, but both are bad for many of the same reasons.

In as much as they both wish to destroy the democratic order in the United States they are in that respect similar.
Protection of the democratic order in America against both extremes is my priority.
I have no sympathy for the anarchists
 

slideman

 

In as much as they both wish to destroy the democratic order in the United States they are in that respect similar.

Protection of the democratic order in America against both extremes is my priority.

I have no sympathy for the anarchists

 

I hunt nazis like you.

 

ZiggyX » 16 Feb 2023, 12:04 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 12:04 pm

Yes.  It is dated, but still holds true.
China is not 'Communist', it is a capitalist, market-based economy.  
It's Stocks, like Baidu, Tencent, Alibaba, trade on the Stock Exchanges.
Americans invest and trade Chinese Stocks everyday.
China is a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO).
Now, the Government is 'Autocratic', but so is Saudi Arabia.  That doesn't mean it's 'communist'.
 

Time to reform WTO and NWO back to Natural Working Order genetics eternally separates the ancestors only occupying space currently alive.

FJB » 16 Feb 2023, 2:02 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 2:02 pm

 

Come and get some pipsqueak

slideman » 16 Feb 2023, 2:46 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 2:46 pm

Come and get some pipsqueak

I may take you up on the invite. You will not like the outcome.

slideman » 16 Feb 2023, 2:46 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 2:46 pm

Come and get some pipsqueak

what have you got, really where anyone wants to get near you to have you own things that don't naturally exist. Raise hypothetical hell into genetic fruition some more.

Nostradamus'omh » 16 Feb 2023, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 2:06 pm

Time to reform WTO and NWO back to Natural Working Order genetics eternally separates the ancestors only occupying space currently alive.

The Global Trading Community seem to like it.