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So far, I'm in the camp of its physically impossible, or stupidly impractical, for Alien life to visit Earth.  However, there is some compelling evidence to the contrary, specifically well documented eye witness accounts of alien visitation.

So, do you believe in Alien Visitation - Yes, they routinely come here all the time, or "Not Possible".  Which are you?


But, even more curious is why hasn't any US President given the US Citizens an definitive answer on this?  You know this has to be one of the first things they ask their military advisors after being sworn in.  Why avoid answering this question?

Skans » 10 Mar 2023, 10:09 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:09 am

So far, I'm in the camp of its physically impossible, or stupidly impractical, for Alien life to visit Earth.  However, there is some compelling evidence to the contrary, specifically well documented eye witness accounts of alien visitation.

So, do you believe in Alien Visitation - Yes, they routinely come here all the time, or "Not Possible".  Which are you?

But, even more curious is why hasn't any US President given the US Citizens an definitive answer on this?  You know this has to be one of the first things they ask their military advisors after being sworn in.  Why avoid answering this question?

I'm not 100% sure, for that I would have to see an alien with my own eyes, but I believe they have visited us and are still watching us.. there's too much unexplained stuff going on, all the coverups and denials.. and as you say, no president ever tells, they promise to do so before they are elected but once they are in the white house they stay silent or only joke about it.. why... well, in Biden's case it's obvious...

 


 

Don't get the tin foil hats started.

Skans » 10 Mar 2023, 10:09 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:09 am

So far, I'm in the camp of its physically impossible, or stupidly impractical, for Alien life to visit Earth.  However, there is some compelling evidence to the contrary, specifically well documented eye witness accounts of alien visitation.

So, do you believe in Alien Visitation - Yes, they routinely come here all the time, or "Not Possible".  Which are you?

But, even more curious is why hasn't any US President given the US Citizens an definitive answer on this?  You know this has to be one of the first things they ask their military advisors after being sworn in.  Why avoid answering this question?

It's possible they could have been here, or still are. But not likely. I would think it may be difficult for them to camouflage themselves among us, especially with all of the AI in in tracking our personal habits these days. Given the physics involved, they would have had to travel light years away from us. That means their technology would be in harmony with the limits of physic's laws. Even then, they would have had to leave centuries ago just to arrive here today. I guess it's possible, but they would have come all this way just to find a world of idiots. An unforgivable disappointment. 

Skans » 10 Mar 2023, 10:09 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:09 am

So far, I'm in the camp of its physically impossible, or stupidly impractical, for Alien life to visit Earth.  However, there is some compelling evidence to the contrary, specifically well documented eye witness accounts of alien visitation.

So, do you believe in Alien Visitation - Yes, they routinely come here all the time, or "Not Possible".  Which are you?

But, even more curious is why hasn't any US President given the US Citizens an definitive answer on this?  You know this has to be one of the first things they ask their military advisors after being sworn in.  Why avoid answering this question?

I don't know if it's "physically impossible" but more like highly improbable.

Just based on the size and vastness of the ever expanding universe, it isn't practical to think that we are the only sentient beings in the cosmos though. 

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Skans » 10 Mar 2023, 10:09 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:09 am

So far, I'm in the camp of its physically impossible, or stupidly impractical, for Alien life to visit Earth.  However, there is some compelling evidence to the contrary, specifically well documented eye witness accounts of alien visitation.

So, do you believe in Alien Visitation - Yes, they routinely come here all the time, or "Not Possible".  Which are you?


But, even more curious is why hasn't any US President given the US Citizens an definitive answer on this?  You know this has to be one of the first things they ask their military advisors after being sworn in.  Why avoid answering this question?

explain why it is impossible, I dare you? Just saying you believe isn't enough. Gut that proposed space time continuum you use as all the fact anyone needs to know about to save tomorrows, today?

Why do these idiots automatically think aliens would be smart. They may be dumb as rocks.

Vegas » 10 Mar 2023, 10:57 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:57 am

It's possible they could have been here, or still are. But not likely. I would think it may be difficult for them to camouflage themselves among us, especially with all of the AI in in tracking our personal habits these days. Given the physics involved, they would have had to travel light years away from us. That means their technology would be in harmony with the limits of physic's laws. Even then, they would have had to leave centuries ago just to arrive here today. I guess it's possible, but they would have come all this way just to find a world of idiots. An unforgivable disappointment.

Without faster-than-lightspeed-travel, I say that it is impossible.  No species would ever embark on on such a costly and time consuming endeavor just to say "Hi" to some zoo animals.  Heck, many zoos can't even get enough patronage living within a 10 mile radius to support their operations!

As for FTLST - this seems to need a huge amount of energy, energy only available on a stellar level, to make happen.  Yeah, that's not going to happen either. 

So, if they are here, if any of these eye witness accounts are to be believed, then they have developed something that is so far beyond our understanding of physics and the Universe, that it would essentially make us ants compared to the visitors.  And, seriously, who would want to visit a bunch of ants millions of light years away?
 

PhiloBeddo » 10 Mar 2023, 11:04 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 11:04 am

Why do these idiots automatically think aliens would be smart. They may be dumb as rocks.

A species smart enough to fool their own ancestries cradle to grave aren't smart enough to be a rock.

RedheadedStranger » 10 Mar 2023, 10:57 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:57 am

I don't know if it's "physically impossible" but more like highly improbable.

Just based on the size and vastness of the ever expanding universe, it isn't practical to think that we are the only sentient beings in the cosmos though. 

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There could be other sentient beings in the Universe.   But, if there are, I think it is quite rare.  Unless we have physics completely wrong, which is entirely possible, FLT doesn't seem possible either.
 

Skans » 10 Mar 2023, 11:08 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 11:08 am

Without faster-than-lightspeed-travel, I say that it is impossible.  No species would ever embark on on such a costly and time consuming endeavor just to say "Hi" to some zoo animals.  Heck, many zoos can't even get enough patronage living within a 10 mile radius to support their operations!

As for FTLST - this seems to need a huge amount of energy, energy only available on a stellar level, to make happen.  Yeah, that's not going to happen either. 

So, if they are here, if any of these eye witness accounts are to be believed, then they have developed something that is so far beyond our understanding of physics and the Universe, that it would essentially make us ants compared to the visitors.  And, seriously, who would want to visit a bunch of ants millions of light years away?

I can understand why they would want to explore us, if they didn't know anything about us. The same reason why we would want to explore other alien civilizations. But we would be a serious waste of energy and cost.  Unless Earth has some mineral that is invaluable to their planet, but not ours. 

Nostradamus'omh » 10 Mar 2023, 11:02 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 11:02 am

explain why it is impossible, I dare you?

 

• The energy it would take to accelerate a spacecraft of people toward the speed of light would be on the stellar level
• Living beings would not be able to survive near light speed travel.
• A spacecraft traveling at near light speed would be quickly destroyed by particulate matter hitting it.
• The radiation coming from something that would accelerate a spacecraft to near light speed would be deadly and kill the craft inhabitants.
• A spacecraft traveling at near light speed would become so massive that it would implode on itself creating a black hole.
• Near light speed is not fast enough to practically travel from an inhabited star system to Earth.

 

Being as the Universe is extremely vast, it seems almost certain that there is other sentient life out there, somewhere.
But considering that faster than no method of faster than life travel has ever been proven possible, if it does not exist, it is very likely that we will ever visit them or they will ever visit us.

Sci Fi fans like to point out that perhaps there are Black Hole Wormholes into which one would enter at one point and emerge many light years away. But this assumes that somehow the space travelers and their ship would not be demolished into molecules by the forces withing the wormhole. So they would enter and emerge as jetsam and possibly flotsam.

Skans » 10 Mar 2023, 11:10 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 11:10 am

There could be other sentient beings in the Universe.   But, if there are, I think it is quite rare.  Unless we have physics completely wrong, which is entirely possible, FLT doesn't seem possible either.
 

the physics there would be the same physics here. Evolving works within a space of an atmosphere that supports living after erosion and decomposition returns the organic results back into molecular content of that universal position.

Life is cellular versions of the planets periodic elements and no two universal positions are the same proportions, same as series parallel genetic results native to its own atmosphere.

Take lifetime out of tthe atmosphere there isn't the same condition to sustain cellular regeneration within a body adapting to tthe moment conceived to dead and decomposed.

What is so complicated about series parallel combinations compounding results, details never stay same total sum present again? it is evolving as one of a kind here now.

Damn people that never want to find out will not accept actual results and always seek possibilities real isn't real.

corruption spawns from willful self deception shared. Tyranny protects the means to deceive forward. Necessity is the mother of vernacular tribalism.

Reason time travel can never happen is because matter is specifically tied to the universe evolving here now.

You could ask the same question about the existence of God and get the same answers. For all we know, we could be as a single celled animal being watched outside of its universe under a microscope. When the scale of what lies beyond is an unknown, we have no answers.

The proper scientific attitude is to refute only what can be thoroughly disproved.
So I don't think we can say that interstellar travel is IMPOSSIBLE.
We can say that it it exceedingly improbable, or that if we are entirely accurate about all features regarding travel, then it is likely to be impossible.

A president who stated conclusively that there have never been visitations by aliens to Earth would create more problems than it would solve.

Vegas » 10 Mar 2023, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 11:12 am

I can understand why they would want to explore us, if they didn't know anything about us. The same reason why we would want to explore other alien civilizations. But we would be a serious waste of energy and cost.  Unless Earth has some mineral that is invaluable to their planet, but not ours.

Curiosity in and of itself can be a driving force for exploring alien civilizations.   Our species has always been comprised of explorers.  Heck, you know when people spend as much time and money fantasizing about alien species and exploration, this really is one of humanity's driving forces.   No other species on earth does this. 
 

Jantje_Smit » 10 Mar 2023, 10:34 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 10:34 am

I'm not 100% sure, for that I would have to see an alien with my own eyes, but I believe they have visited us and are still watching us.. there's too much unexplained stuff going on, all the coverups and denials.. and as you say, no president ever tells, they promise to do so before they are elected but once they are in the white house they stay silent or only joke about it.. why... well, in Biden's case it's obvious...

 

LOL - I can't imagine any alien species wanting to meet Biden.  That's like going to the zoo to watch a lone chimp sleeping the day away in the shade.

Skans » 10 Mar 2023, 11:36 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 11:36 am

Curiosity in and of itself can be a driving force for exploring alien civilizations.   Our species has always been comprised of explorers.  Heck, you know when people spend as much time and money fantasizing about alien species and exploration, this really is one of humanity's driving forces.   No other species on earth does this.

You do not know what goes on inside animal's brains.
If you watch cats, rats and mice, they are curious and also seem to be compelled to explore.
They just never reveal their thoughts to you.

Xavier_Onassis » 10 Mar 2023, 11:36 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2023, 11:36 am

The proper scientific attitude is to refute only what can be thoroughly disproved.
So I don't think we can say that interstellar travel is IMPOSSIBLE.
We can say that it it exceedingly improbable, or that if we are entirely accurate about all features regarding travel, then it is likely to be impossible.

A president who stated conclusively that there have never been visitations by aliens to Earth would create more problems than it would solve.

ha ha ha ha "Proper scientific attitude."? Tyranny just radiates from every syllable you post.