Vladimir Putin Orders Hundreds Of Body Doubles In Bid To Dodge Arrest

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20 Mar 2023 10:04 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
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Though I believe Putin was justified in the invasion, he isn't justified in kidnapping kids. He has, and still is, committing war crimes. Maybe the US perpetuated his insanity by getting involved. Would he have ever done this if we hadn't given the support we did. Russia would have taken Ukraine by now, it's hard to believe that this war would have lasted more than a year had America not gotten involved. I don't know what Putin was thinking when doing these crimes, maybe he is desperate now. I don't know. 
Russia President Vladimir Putin is planning on using his doppelgangers to avoid arrest for alleged war crimes.As Knewz previously reported, the foreign leader has spent years using body doubles at public appearances to dodge potential assassination attempts.Now, Kremlin insiders are saying the 70-year-old president is ordering hundreds of more doubles in an “ultra paranoid” episode Putin is allegedly going through amid the recent charges levied against him.The International Criminal Court sent out the warrants for Putin and “chief child catcher” Maria Lvova-Belova arrest after a video of them surfaced discussing the deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia.Lvova-Belova boasted about “adopting” a 15-year-old Mariupol boy to the Russian president in a TV interview last month. Putin gave his approval, and the child is believed to be within Russian boarders.Vladimir Putin Orders Hundreds Of Body Doubles In Bid To Dodge Arrest (msn.com)
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Putin is paranoid and scared. If he were a true war leader, he would be bold enough to lead his troops to battle in Ukraine.

However, look how long it took, the US to get Bin Laden. Just goes to show, you can hide out for a very long time and no one is going to bother you.
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Skans » 20 Mar 2023, 10:54 am » wrote: Putin is paranoid and scared. If he were a true war leader, he would be bold enough to lead his troops to battle in Ukraine.

However, look how long it took, the US to get Bin Laden. Just goes to show, you can hide out for a very long time and no one is going to bother you.
I know we differ on opinions about the war. However, I have to agree about Putin's cowardice. He is rippiing children away from their mothers and relocating them to Russia. Same with the orphans. I heard he is forcing Russian parents to adopt them. I don't know if that is true, but I recall one article claiming that. 
 
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Vegas » 20 Mar 2023, 12:04 pm » wrote: I know we differ on opinions about the war. However, I have to agree about Putin's cowardice. He is rippiing children away from their mothers and relocating them to Russia. Same with the orphans. I heard he is forcing Russian parents to adopt them. I don't know if that is true, but I recall one article claiming that.
I really don't know whether that is true or not either.  I'm skeptical about this kind of information from either side.  Lots of propaganda floating around.  IMHO, the only thing that really matters for right now is "body count" on each side, and who can hold onto what territory. 
 
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Skans » 20 Mar 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: I really don't know whether that is true or not either.  I'm skeptical about this kind of information from either side.  Lots of propaganda floating around.  IMHO, the only thing that really matters for right now is "body count" on each side, and who can hold onto what territory.

Have you ever met a Russian? I have only met a handful. I used to work with one. She was very stoic. Rarely smiled, had resting bitch face.  I can't imagine her raising an adopted kid. Hell, I couldn't imagine her raising her own kid. 
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How do we know for sure Putin is kidnapping children? Zelinski is jailing everyone that disagrees with him and the media in Ukraine is now state run.
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Vegas » 20 Mar 2023, 10:04 am » wrote: Though I believe Putin was justified in the invasion, he isn't justified in kidnapping kids. He has, and still is, committing war crimes. Maybe the US perpetuated his insanity by getting involved. Would he have ever done this if we hadn't given the support we did. Russia would have taken Ukraine by now, it's hard to believe that this war would have lasted more than a year had America not gotten involved. I don't know what Putin was thinking when doing these crimes, maybe he is desperate now. I don't know.
When were you over there, and for how long?

Did you witness Putin grabbing children from a long distance vantage point, or were you in the thick of the action?

Were you able to converse with any of the body doubles, get their perspective?

Kudos, BTW, on the intrepid reportage. Takes balls to go into an active war zone and get the facts on the ground, as you have done. Image

 
 
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Skans » 20 Mar 2023, 10:54 am » wrote: Putin is paranoid and scared. If he were a true war leader, he would be bold enough to lead his troops to battle in Ukraine.
That's what Bush did in affie - led ops repeatedly in iraq, while his staff begged him to let the professional soldiers handle it.

I'll never forget how inspired I was when Reagan personally led the daring raid against the communist monolith in Grenada. He is played by clint eastwood, ya know.
 
 
 
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Vegas » 20 Mar 2023, 10:04 am » wrote: Though I believe Putin was justified in the invasion, he isn't justified in kidnapping kids. He has, and still is, committing war crimes. Maybe the US perpetuated his insanity by getting involved. Would he have ever done this if we hadn't given the support we did. Russia would have taken Ukraine by now, it's hard to believe that this war would have lasted more than a year had America not gotten involved. I don't know what Putin was thinking when doing these crimes, maybe he is desperate now. I don't know.
            Putin probably is paranoid and likely has body doubles --- but I seriously doubt the ICC and their vaunted arrest warrant have a damn thing to do with it... Does anyone (let alone Putin) realistically believe Vlad is going to be escorted out of Russia in handcuffs?... The ICC (which is out of the Hague) has no Police or Enforcement Body to make such arrests... They are dependent on an international collective to do such, which ain't gonna happen..

            What Putin does fear, and have those doubles for is probably his perceived threat of assassination... He's always had rivals & enemies, but that list is growing..  At present, he's had more of his Military personnel killed than we lost in Korea & Vietnam combined..  
 
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Cannonpointer » 20 Mar 2023, 12:50 pm » wrote: When were you over there, and for how long?

 
Yes. I have been in the center of it all since the whole thing began. I am here now. 
Did you witness Putin grabbing children from a long distance vantage point, or were you in the thick of the action?
Yes. Him and his commanders and soldiers. 
Were you able to converse with any of the body doubles, get their perspective?
Yes. They weren't happy about it. But they all fear for their lives and the safety of their children. So, they are agreeing to it. 
Kudos, BTW, on the intrepid reportage. Takes balls to go into an active war zone and get the facts on the ground, as you have done.
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Warcok » 20 Mar 2023, 12:49 pm » wrote: How do we know for sure Putin is kidnapping children? Zelinski is jailing everyone that disagrees with him and the media in Ukraine is now state run.
Vegas went over there, saw it with his own eyes. 
 
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Vegas » 20 Mar 2023, 12:46 pm » wrote: Have you ever met a Russian? I have only met a handful. I used to work with one. She was very stoic. Rarely smiled, had resting bitch face.  I can't imagine her raising an adopted kid. Hell, I couldn't imagine her raising her own kid.
I've met some and have worked with a few. I won't go into what either one of them do.  I'll just say that one (a male) was very bright but seemed very paranoid, almost as if he was sure someone was going to kill him.  Another (a woman) was also very bright and a lot more "normal" for American standards.  However, she was uncomfortable talking about how things worked in Russia - preferred to focus on what she was doing now and would get off that topic rather quickly. 

Single Russian women I've met tend to be cold, harsh and think American men are soft.
 
 
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Skans » 20 Mar 2023, 1:06 pm » wrote: I've met some and have worked with a few. I won't go into what either one of them do.  I'll just say that one (a male) was very bright but seemed very paranoid, almost as if he was sure someone was going to kill him.  Another (a woman) was also very bright and a lot more "normal" for American standards.  However, she was uncomfortable talking about how things worked in Russia - preferred to focus on what she was doing now and would get off that topic rather quickly.

Interesting. Same with the one I worked with. We all tried to spark up a conversation with her, but she was very reserved. Especially, when talking about her hometown in Russia. 
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Cannonpointer » 20 Mar 2023, 12:53 pm » wrote: That's what Bush did in affie - led ops repeatedly in iraq, while his staff begged him to let the professional soldiers handle it.

I'll never forget how inspired I was when Reagan personally led the daring raid against the communist monolith in Grenada. He is played by clint eastwood, ya know.
You make a good point there. 
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Vegas » 20 Mar 2023, 12:04 pm » wrote: I know we differ on opinions about the war. However, I have to agree about Putin's cowardice. He is rippiing children away from their mothers and relocating them to Russia. Same with the orphans. I heard he is forcing Russian parents to adopt them. I don't know if that is true, but I recall one article claiming that.
Need to stop reading propaganda. Children were relocated from pro Russian areas of Ukraine like donbas. Areas attacked since 2014 by neo nazi Ukrainian troops. It's a safety measure.
 
 
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Putin using one or two body doubles is credible. HUNDREDS of them is not.
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Neo » 20 Mar 2023, 1:22 pm » wrote: Need to stop reading propaganda. Children were relocated from pro Russian areas of Ukraine like donbas. Areas attacked since 2014 by neo nazi Ukrainian troops. It's a safety measure.

I don't believe anyone's source. Not your either. Wherever you got it from. I am looking at what the war crimes he is being charged with and going from there. 
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Vegas » 20 Mar 2023, 1:41 pm » wrote: I don't believe anyone's source. Not your either. Wherever you got it from. I am looking at what the war crimes he is being charged with and going from there.
Which is **** stupid, but carry on. Putin has attacked civilian infrastructure, hit civilian targets, killed innocent people. The war crime is moving children with Russian sympathies out of a combat area is the crime they are alleging? Think harder. 
 
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Neo » 20 Mar 2023, 2:08 pm » wrote: Which is **** stupid, but carry on. Putin has attacked civilian infrastructure, hit civilian targets, killed innocent people. The war crime is moving children with Russian sympathies out of a combat area is the crime they are alleging? Think harder.

Did I hit a sore spot? LOL! If you are getting this defensive, then perhaps you should rethink why you trust your source. 
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Vegas » 20 Mar 2023, 2:09 pm » wrote: Did I hit a sore spot? LOL! If you are getting this defensive, then perhaps you should rethink why you trust your source.
My "source" is objective reading of reporting from this cluster **** of a conflict. I trust myself. Putin stands accused of an unprovoked invasion of Ukraine with hundreds of thousands of deaths immediately relatable to this so called unprovoked invasion. The warrant is for removing the children of Russia sympathetic Ukraine citizens away from a battlefield. Even you should see the disconnect here. They aren't charging Putin with killing civilians, which obviously has occurred. They are charging him with removing children with with parents sympathetic to Russia from a war zone. Did Zelensky intend to use these kids as leverage?
 
 
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