How about colonizing Mars?

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19 Apr 2023 1:29 pm
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Skans » 19 Apr 2023, 1:25 pm » wrote: No, it would be on the surface.  Like a big, slow-moving RV, inching its way into dusk.
 
it won't work. You would destroy this planet taking resources from here there. You have no idea what eternity physically does in real time balancing universe perpetually balancing outcomes now.

It is why things happen in cycles combined in series parallel displacement.
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19 Apr 2023 1:33 pm
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Skans » 19 Apr 2023, 12:44 pm » wrote: Ok, there's an opinion, something to actually respond to.  Obviously, I completely disagree with you.  Yes, we will visit Mars.  No, we will not terraform it.  There are several reasons for this: 1) Too little gravity - can't keep the gasses we need to survive on the surface and it is only 1% of what we have here on Earth; 2) too little water; and 3) it takes way too much energy to colonize it, let alone terraform it. 

Mars is a dead planet, not that much different than the Moon. Perhaps at one time there was more to it, but for whatever reason, it's dead.  It would take a moon-sized ice-astroid colliding with Mars before there would be enough of what is needed to ever think about terraforming it.  We would be better off colonizing the dusk-side of Mercury, where at least you could harvest the power of the sun to power things. Or, possibly Ganymede - at least Ganymede has an atmosphere of a thin layer of Oxygen.
The single biggest reason, and there is NOTHING anyone can do about it, is the lack of a magnetic shield.
Mars has no magnetic field so the solar winds would negate any attempt to terraform the planet.
Lack of an atmosphere is a direct result. This why it will always be a dust bowl.
Even if an asteroid gently merged and slowly melted millions of tons of ice, it would all disappear.

We can only "live there" in a Habit-Trail hamster bubble. Going outdoors is death by solar radiation...
 
 
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19 Apr 2023 1:37 pm
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DeezerShoove » 19 Apr 2023, 1:33 pm » wrote: The single biggest reason, and there is NOTHING anyone can do about it, is the lack of a magnetic shield.
Mars has no magnetic field so the solar winds would negate any attempt to terraform the planet.
Lack of an atmosphere is a direct result. This why it will always be a dust bowl.
Even if an asteroid gently merged and slowly melted millions of tons of ice, it would all disappear.

We can only "live there" in a Habit-Trail hamster bubble. Going outdoors is death by solar radiation...
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19 Apr 2023 1:41 pm
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The wind on Mars would have to be about 100 mph just to feel it moving.
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19 Apr 2023 3:42 pm
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DeezerShoove » 19 Apr 2023, 1:33 pm » wrote: The single biggest reason, and there is NOTHING anyone can do about it, is the lack of a magnetic shield.
Mars has no magnetic field so the solar winds would negate any attempt to terraform the planet.
Lack of an atmosphere is a direct result. This why it will always be a dust bowl.
Even if an asteroid gently merged and slowly melted millions of tons of ice, it would all disappear.

We can only "live there" in a Habit-Trail hamster bubble. Going outdoors is death by solar radiation...
This is absolutely correct.  Same with Mercury (even thought I used it as an example), the Moon, Mars, Europa, Io, and Ganymede.  Jupiter's crazy magnetic field emits electromagnetic energy that would fry inhabitants on the surface of its moons almost as bad as solar radiation.

The upper atmosphere of Venus seems a bit more promising.  As does Neptune's moon Triton, if the Sun ever goes super nova.
 
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