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razoo » 20 Apr 2023, 9:52 am » wrote: ↑

20 Apr 2023, 9:52 am

this isn't government health care........... it is insurance owned by the people

There is ZERO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY for GOVERNMENT TO ISSUE INSURANCE POLICES!!

Learn something about the AMERICAN system and that is the REASON we are a FREE NATION and no one under the SOCIALIST CONTROL needed to run **** like they do in OTHER NATIONS. You know, where their PEOPLE are trying to COME HERE and get AWAY from all that "great socialism" you LWNJs seem to love so much!!

razoo » 21 Apr 2023, 7:34 am » wrote: ↑

21 Apr 2023, 7:34 am

The above represents millions of new jobs and tons of solid new economic growth throughout the USA.

^^^ AND THIS is more of the SAME LWNJ NAZI **** you ALWAYS pull from your ARSE and think it will stick!!

Seeing how you ONLY take people from the PRIVATE SECTOR and employ them in the GOVERNMENT Sector!! Which is all that would happen in that NOW GOVERNMENT becomes a MUCH LARGER employer and the ECONOMIC GROWTH of the PRIVATE SECTOR goes away!!
 

Beekeeper » 21 Apr 2023, 8:08 am » wrote: ↑

21 Apr 2023, 8:08 am

There is ZERO CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY for GOVERNMENT TO ISSUE INSURANCE POLICES!!

Learn something about the AMERICAN system and that is the REASON we are a FREE NATION and no one under the SOCIALIST CONTROL needed to run **** like they do in OTHER NATIONS. You know, where their PEOPLE are trying to COME HERE and get AWAY from all that "great socialism" you LWNJs seem to love so much!!

You overlook the double dipping off of taxes per issue on a person's income being a citizen of people believing life isn't self evident.

I accept there is necessity for taxation to keep reality working as life never exceeds reproductions being eternally separated in plain sight as ancestrally positioned here now.

that is why I think a flat tax system is the best way to cover actual evolving and making believe life is more than co-existing currently alive.

15% flat tax, broken down from community/neighborhood, city, county, state, federal. 2% community, 2% city, 2% county 3% state, 6% federal. The other 85% of personal income stays with the earners with an understanding of responsibility to plane for tomorrows on their own since life only exists in this adapt or become extinct circumstances of living as eternally separated now.

Everyone is measured equally alive because they only exist replacing their 4 previous generation gaps. as any species native to this atmosphere does.

razoo » 20 Apr 2023, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

20 Apr 2023, 9:45 am

10 Reasons Americans Need Single Payer

• Patients and doctors make health care decisions. You choose your doctor. ... 
• Everybody in. Single payer covers all of us. ... 
• Never lose coverage again. ... 
• Stop waste. ... 
• Stabilize costs. ... 
• Stop medical bankruptcy. ... 
• End financial rationing. ... 
• Businesses can focus on their core mission.

National Nurses United
https://www.nationalnursesunited.org › top-10-reasons...

Sep 20, 2017 — Everybody in,nobody out. · Portability. · Uniform benefits. · Prevention. · Choice of physician. · Ending insurance industry interference with care.

COUNTRIES THAT HAVE SINGLE PAYOR HAVE EXTREMELY LOW RACIAL DIVERSITY.

THE US HAS ****** AND EVERY OTHER MONGREL RACE IN MULTITUDES.  HENCE WE WILL NEVER HAVE SINGLE PAYOR .  GET IT?

razoo » 21 Apr 2023, 1:49 am » wrote: ↑

21 Apr 2023, 1:49 am

nonsense .........

Nice job refuting facts, *******.
 

razoo » 20 Apr 2023, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

20 Apr 2023, 9:45 am

10 Reasons Americans Need Single Payer

• Patients and doctors make health care decisions. You choose your doctor. ... 
• Everybody in. Single payer covers all of us. ... 
• Never lose coverage again. ... 
• Stop waste. ... 
• Stabilize costs. ... 
• Stop medical bankruptcy. ... 
• End financial rationing. ... 
• Businesses can focus on their core mission.

National Nurses United
https://www.nationalnursesunited.org › top-10-reasons...

Sep 20, 2017 — Everybody in,nobody out. · Portability. · Uniform benefits. · Prevention. · Choice of physician. · Ending insurance industry interference with care.

i do not wish to share medical bills with black people.

razoo » 22 Apr 2023, 5:57 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2023, 5:57 am

Leaves MORE expendable income in your wallets ..........  damn right

10 Reasons Americans Need Single Payer

• Patients and doctors make health care decisions. You choose your doctor. ... 
• Everybody in. Single payer covers all of us. ... 
• Never lose coverage again. ... 
• Stop waste. ... 
• Stabilize costs. ... 
• Stop medical bankruptcy. ... 
• End financial rationing. ... 
• Businesses can focus on their core mission.

National Nurses United
https://www.nationalnursesunited.org › top-10-reasons...

Sep 20, 2017 — Everybody in,nobody out. · Portability. · Uniform benefits. · Prevention. · Choice of physician. · Ending insurance industry interference with care.

Psssst. DORKFACE, want to DO THE MATH for us and show us HOW your plan "leaves more expendable income" in your pocket!!!

BECAUSE it doesn't do a DAMN THING except put GOVERNMENT in charge of the TRILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY with even MORE people sucking benefits from the system. LAST number I saw was $34 TRILLION over 10 years. Do the math, ARSEHOLE, that means over $10,000 PER YEAR in NEW TAXES PER PERSON ALIVE IN THIS NATION. A family of 4 pays $40,000 a YEAR IN NEW TAXES., Do the math, DORKUS!! That's going to be over $3,334 PER MONTH for that family in BRAND NEW TAXES to pay!! MOST people would be left with roughly $100 to eat, pay mortgages, etc.

See, you lose on EVERY post you make and still insist its better than sliced bread!! How EFFING MORONIC are you??

costs may drop, but the government wont pay out when needed

razoo » 22 Apr 2023, 7:40 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2023, 7:40 am

In the first place you cannot document those numbers.....

In the second place when 100's of millions of humans are under one policy obviously the cost drops significantly 

In the third place when we eliminate obscenely paid CEO's and their golden parachutes and commissions which eat away at health care dollars this of course reduces the cost and is NOT SMART USE OF HEALTH CARE DOLLARS. 

In the fourth place eliminating elected officials with health care/insurance in their portfolios also eliminates tons of misinformation about Single Payer. The insurance industry is a reliable source of misinformation regarding single
payer.

In the fifth place allowing tax dollars to cover our medical insurance is excellent use of tax dollars whereas subsidizing wealthy corporations and tax breaks for the wealthy IS NOT excellent use of our tax dollars

In the sixth place this eliminates the UNDER-INSURED scam that fuels bankruptcy cases galore

In the seventh place every body remains covered no matter what  .....yes if one loses a job, moves to another job,
has a heart attack, struck with cancer, has a stroke, in a terrible car accident single payer insurance is there 24/7.

In the eighth place that number $34 trillion is likely misinformation = how the hell would anyone know. Of course the insurance industry will want to scare the hell out of everyone no matter that this industry screws people every day.

!!!

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https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2020-1 ... -Payer.pdf

Sucks for you, huh, bozoo, that I HAVE FACTS and you produce NOTHING TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS!!

MATH is easy, and the NUMBERS I STARTED WITH ARE DEAD ON TARGET. TOTAL EXPENSE OF $3 TRILLION divided by TOTAL POPULATION gives you HOW MUCH PER PERSON!! See, easy MATH that confuses you massively.

razoo » 22 Apr 2023, 7:45 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2023, 7:45 am

says who .......... you are not a reliable source .........just like the fake republican party.

the government can't be trusted you **** POS commie bastard

razoo » 22 Apr 2023, 7:40 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2023, 7:40 am

In the first place you cannot document those numbers.....

In the second place when 100's of millions of humans are under one policy obviously the cost drops significantly 

In the third place when we eliminate obscenely paid CEO's and their golden parachutes and commissions which eat away at health care dollars this of course reduces the cost and is NOT SMART USE OF HEALTH CARE DOLLARS. 

In the fourth place eliminating elected officials with health care/insurance in their portfolios also eliminates tons of misinformation about Single Payer. The insurance industry is a reliable source of misinformation regarding single
payer.

In the fifth place allowing tax dollars to cover our medical insurance is excellent use of tax dollars whereas subsidizing wealthy corporations and tax breaks for the wealthy IS NOT excellent use of our tax dollars

In the sixth place this eliminates the UNDER-INSURED scam that fuels bankruptcy cases galore

In the seventh place every body remains covered no matter what  .....yes if one loses a job, moves to another job,
has a heart attack, struck with cancer, has a stroke, in a terrible car accident single payer insurance is there 24/7.

In the eighth place that number $34 trillion is likely misinformation = how the hell would anyone know. Of course the insurance industry will want to scare the hell out of everyone no matter that this industry screws people every day. 
 

First placement of ancestral evolving DNA results reproductively present as generation 0, inception or mutation of previous ancestries that no longer can reproduce with previous generations gaps or future generations not mutated.

2nd place there has to arrive conceptions of a next generation gap or the first placements become extinct with no more reproductions occupying space

3rd generation gap transformed the original arrivals one at a time into being 4 grandparents to the two parenting last generation arriving one at a time, again like it occurred the first time only different ancestors completely different DNA but the combination of the 6 ancestors of previous 2 generation gaps.

4th position of population changing now as it did then. 3rd generation gap evolves forward to some become parents and others didn't, the pattern of have and have nots continues separating the lifetimes that became extinct and those sharing their DNA in last arrivals.

Lookie here now there arrives middle class ancestral progression. between generation 0 and generation 3 nobody was ever reproduced again.

Now comes 4th generation after generation 0 arrived becoming 1 of 16 great great grandparents to each replacement changing all 4 previous people generating another generation gap.

You getting the whole picture intellect covers up with hypothetical scenarios of greater good tomorrows than genetics sustains current number alive? Reality is contextual role playing in the magic of making ancestors become type cast people honoring stereotyped behavioral patterns between have and haven't created replacements.

Want to play pay it forward philosophy where last born have to repay an eternal debt created by their previous 4 generation gaps promising better tomorrows than life limited to eternally separated now?

Wow humanity ended up being manifested eternal hell occupying space evolving forward now.
so genetically speaking generations 1 through 3 are the middle class of the total 5 generations 0-4 left evolving forward now, by gaps being 16 great great grandparents to each arriving great great grandchild added already born one at a time evolving forward until they do or don't add another ancestral generation gap here.

Oops time relativity really got slapped down here instinctively all accomplished because one conceived brain doesn't follow 8 billion souls minding power of suggesting now isn't eternity.

the simplicity of life is too complicated to navigate space one at a time.

razoo » 22 Apr 2023, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2023, 12:32 pm

 I did not say nor imply such nonsense....... nonsense spells fake republicans 

I want the best bang for my tax dollar .........

You funny little INDOCTRINATED NAZI!!

Do you REALLY think that you won't be standing in line to get medical care since ALL these ILLEGALS will be granted in!! 20 MILLION and growing with your Nation Without Borders IDEOLOGY!!

And guess what tiny buttwipe, THEY won't be paying in ONE RED CENT to make it work, so YOU get to pay THEIR WAY!! I bet that really EXCITES YOU, huh???

And "best bang for your buck" tax wise??? I love keeping MY OWN MONEY and spending it AS I SEE FIT to do so, not letting GOVERNMENT take their MASSIVE CUT and telling me what I get in return!! WHY is that CONCEPT so hard for you MENTAL MIDGETS??

razoo » 23 Apr 2023, 6:40 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2023, 6:40 am

Some years ago my former wife took my sons on a driving tour of Britain and became involved in an accident. My elder son had a badly broken leg and was taken to a hospital for six weeks until his leg healed. Although I didn't live in Britain at the time, the British National Insurance system paid all his hospital and doctor bills. When I offered to reimburse the hospital, the British charitably declined and only charged me $35 for a crutch my son used to hobble aboard a plane home to America.

https://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Op ... -coop.html

Now we KNOW that this is a EFFING LIE!! Seeing how we have PROOF that the NHS does NOT give their "FREE" HEALTHCARE TO ANYONE OTHER THAN THEIR OWN CITIZENS, ARSEWIPE!! You should REALLY stop trying to JUSTIFY YOUR LIES with another LIE!!

If you're visiting England for less than 6 months, you should ensure you're covered for healthcare through personal medical insurance during your visit, even if you're a former UK resident. If you're not ordinarily resident in the UK and you need to pay for NHS hospital treatment, you'll be charged at 150% of the national NHS rate.

https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/visitin ... om-abroad/

 

razoo » 22 Apr 2023, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2023, 12:32 pm

 I did not say nor imply such nonsense....... nonsense spells fake republicans 


I want the best bang for my tax dollar ......... 

So your family income is from tax credits and safety net programs for people less fortunate adapting to space evolving forward now equally here. A character role player is exactly who they pretend to be cradle to grave. A citizen of ideology. Not an ancestor adapting to space for the time they exist here now.

razoo » 22 Apr 2023, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2023, 12:32 pm

 I did not say nor imply such nonsense....... nonsense spells fake republicans 

I want the best bang for my tax dollar .........

So then answer the simple and obvious question:
Do you support the fact that Biden has invited in MILLIONS of illegals and is giving them free healthcare, free smartphones, free transportation, free education, and free housing with your tax dollars while you and I pay a fortune in cash or in high taxes for all those things?

Then let me hear you state that you think Biden is giving you "the best bang for your tax dollars" as you claim to want!
 

Zeets2 » 23 Apr 2023, 8:37 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2023, 8:37 am

So then answer the simple and obvious question:
Do you support the fact that Biden has invited in MILLIONS of illegals and is giving them free healthcare, free smartphones, free transportation, free education, and free housing with your tax dollars while you and I pay a fortune in cash or in high taxes for all those things?

Then let me hear you state that you think Biden is giving you "the best bang for your tax dollars" as you claim to want!

What the idiot isn't seeing and understanding is that EVERY SINGLE "single payer" program in EUROPE is either FAILING in that they can't meet demand AND the COST OVERRUNS ARE BANKRUPTING THEM TO BOOT!!

The NHS in Britain has been experiencing LONG WAITS for care of simple things like hernia surgeries, simple heart procedures, and even tonsils being taken out of sick kids. They "treat it" with you on that 2-3 year long WAITING LIST until the "funds" are there to do them. Once they numbers of cases has ran out of money alloted, you are just SOL for that year and MAYBE you get help the next year. Fact is, they could care less if you DIE before you get treated and that seems to be the GOVERNMENT'S PLAN all along. It's a "cost cutting" ideology to kill off the folks with nature rather than giving them life saving procedures that are EASY to do.

Which is ANOTHER reason that THOUSANDS of people travel to the United States FROM EUROPEAN NATIONS to get medical care they can't get in their OWN HEALTH CARE SINGLE PAYER PLANS!!

razoo » 20 Apr 2023, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

20 Apr 2023, 9:45 am

10 Reasons Americans Need Single Payer

• Patients and doctors make health care decisions. You choose your doctor. ... 
• Everybody in. Single payer covers all of us. ... 
• Never lose coverage again. ... 
• Stop waste. ... 
• Stabilize costs. ... 
• Stop medical bankruptcy. ... 
• End financial rationing. ... 
• Businesses can focus on their core mission.

National Nurses United
https://www.nationalnursesunited.org › top-10-reasons...

Sep 20, 2017 — Everybody in,nobody out. · Portability. · Uniform benefits. · Prevention. · Choice of physician. · Ending insurance industry interference with care.

OH, so you want THIS.....

NHS leaders facing real-terms cut in funding and ‘impossible choices’ over which areas of patient care to cut back 

8–11 minutes

NHS leaders face impossible choices over whether to cut patient care or reduce investment in much needed diagnostic capacity and new technology after a series of unexpected cost pressures, including a new pay award for staff, left the NHS facing its first real terms cut in funding.

 The government has now confirmed that it will make further investment in the pay of NHS staff of approximately 5 per cent overall. However, only 3 per cent of this investment in pay has been budgeted for. With no extra money coming from the government to pay for the additional 2 per cent investment, the NHS will have to absorb this within its existing budget. This is around an extra £1.8 billion of costs that were not planned for.   

 The extra costs of pay are on top of a range of other unexpected cost pressures that are eating into the NHS budget, including: 

• The impact of high energy costs and soaring inflation more generally, which is reducing the value of the NHS budget.  
• The ongoing costs from COVID-19, including from providing free lateral flow tests for staff (these costs are no longer funded centrally by government). 

 New analysis from the NHS Confederation confirms that these extra costs mean the health service is this year facing a real-terms cut in funding of between £4 billion and £9.4 billion (depending on which measure of inflation is used*). This is one of the reasons why the NHS is required to make efficiency savings of 2.2 per cent, which is double the requirement of recent years.

 
 

razoo » 22 Apr 2023, 7:40 am » wrote: ↑

22 Apr 2023, 7:40 am

In the first place you cannot document those numbers.....

In the second place when 100's of millions of humans are under one policy obviously the cost drops significantly 

In the third place when we eliminate obscenely paid CEO's and their golden parachutes and commissions which eat away at health care dollars this of course reduces the cost and is NOT SMART USE OF HEALTH CARE DOLLARS. 

In the fourth place eliminating elected officials with health care/insurance in their portfolios also eliminates tons of misinformation about Single Payer. The insurance industry is a reliable source of misinformation regarding single
payer.

In the fifth place allowing tax dollars to cover our medical insurance is excellent use of tax dollars whereas subsidizing wealthy corporations and tax breaks for the wealthy IS NOT excellent use of our tax dollars

In the sixth place this eliminates the UNDER-INSURED scam that fuels bankruptcy cases galore

In the seventh place every body remains covered no matter what  .....yes if one loses a job, moves to another job,
has a heart attack, struck with cancer, has a stroke, in a terrible car accident single payer insurance is there 24/7.

In the eighth place that number $34 trillion is likely misinformation = how the hell would anyone know. Of course the insurance industry will want to scare the hell out of everyone no matter that this industry screws people every day.

Can you imagine the number of small businesses that would pop up immediately when they don’t have to offer healthcare to compete?

And people are not afraid to follow their dreams because they dare walk away from a **** job

one of the biggest reasons for bankruptcy is medical bills … even for people WITH insurance 

but but …. Wars .. tax cuts .. corporate welfare

you know … the important stuff 


 

Beekeeper » 23 Apr 2023, 9:00 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2023, 9:00 am

What the idiot isn't seeing and understanding is that EVERY SINGLE "single payer" program in EUROPE is either FAILING in that they can't meet demand AND the COST OVERRUNS ARE BANKRUPTING THEM TO BOOT!!

The NHS in Britain has been experiencing LONG WAITS for care of simple things like hernia surgeries, simple heart procedures, and even tonsils being taken out of sick kids. They "treat it" with you on that 2-3 year long WAITING LIST until the "funds" are there to do them. Once they numbers of cases has ran out of money alloted, you are just SOL for that year and MAYBE you get help the next year. Fact is, they could care less if you DIE before you get treated and that seems to be the GOVERNMENT'S PLAN all along. It's a "cost cutting" ideology to kill off the folks with nature rather than giving them life saving procedures that are EASY to do.

Which is ANOTHER reason that THOUSANDS of people travel to the United States FROM EUROPEAN NATIONS to get medical care they can't get in their OWN HEALTH CARE SINGLE PAYER PLANS!!

heart Surgery cost in Japan = 150 yuen (about $50)

Heart surgery cost in the US = $100k +

Are you a health insurnce lobbyist?  If not, why are you getting excited to defend a system that rips you off?
 

Mrkelly » 23 Apr 2023, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑

23 Apr 2023, 10:40 am

one of the biggest reasons for bankruptcy is medical bills … even for people WITH insurance 

but but …. Wars .. tax cuts .. corporate welfare

you know … the important stuff 

So reading through your sarcasm and intellectually trained rational mind hypothetical value systems, you think Bidens methodology is better than people being responsible for their own time evolving forward now as genetically here one at time living in series parallel displacement by generation gap arrived.

See I watch you practice what you preach is possible always avoiding any conversation about what isn't possible by commonly alive since reproduce to replace one's own previous 4 generation gap DNA contributors being male and females each generation as 16 great great grandparents, 8 great grandparents, 4 grandparents, 2 being your parents of yourself and any siblings from the same two or just one with separate moms or dads.

Biological order of arrival isn't defined accurate in intellectual order created by relative time theory comparing rotations of the planet, phases of lunar appearance, seasonal shifts, revolutions around the star staying 3rd from the sun geographically positioned universally here as one of a kind inorganically same way ancestral lineages never duplicated an existing reproduction again.

Simple compounding combinations between erosion and decomposing corpses specifically here making up everything evolving now, regardless previous generations, currently alive generations each added great great grandchild with the "potential" to reach 1 of 16 great great grandparents 4 more generation gaps added to the moment here.

I never met another sole human that put back together what humanity separated since dawn of civilization starting the concepts of humanity exceeds evolving forward now.

Common since conceived vs common sense between population denying now is eternity and each reality will eliminate anyone that does explain self evident life.


History between the lines of contextual souls defending character role playing cradle to grave.