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What disciple at the last supper did Jesus tell that disciple would deny being a disciple of Jesus 3 times after they left dinner? What I posted here is How Jesus would know that before it occurred. He knew the nature of that disciples behavior instinctively as well as how his intellect operated socially.

That was Peter, upon whom Jesus said he would build his church.
But why would it have made any sense for Peter to tell the truth to a Roman soldier? Peter was asked if he knew Jesus, and Peter said no, that he did not. hat always made good sense to me. "Thou shallt not rat out thine friends". In Sunday School, they told me that Peter was being a bad person to "deny Christ".

But he would have denied to have known Jesus to avoid being questioned further, not only for his own sake, but to defend Jesus.

Xavier_Onassis » 01 May 2023, 8:47 pm » wrote: ↑

01 May 2023, 8:47 pm

What disciple at the last supper did Jesus tell that disciple would deny being a disciple of Jesus 3 times after they left dinner? What I posted here is How Jesus would know that before it occurred. He knew the nature of that disciples behavior instinctively as well as how his intellect operated socially.

That was Peter, upon whom Jesus said he would build his church.
But why would it have made any sense for Peter to tell the truth to a Roman soldier? Peter was asked if he knew Jesus, and Peter said no, that he did not. hat always made good sense to me. "Thou shallt not rat out thine friends". In Sunday School, they told me that Peter was being a bad person to "deny Christ".

But he would have denied to have known Jesus to avoid being questioned further, not only for his own sake, but to defend Jesus.

Who was Peter before Jesus renamed him Peter? Saul. What was saul before he became a disciple of jesus? Traitor to Rome both church and state.

You cannot win anymore than I can. Life is a balance, not a victory or loss game of chance. Genetics are specific and mutually evolving results limited to being alive now and those alive are timed apart with generation gaps present each has their own specific origin and departure events.

Again, I escape intellectual hell instinctively. You never tried and assumed a career as a devil's advocate supporting reasonable doubt. an educator of last generation arrived.
You really want to play mind games with me? Every reality played brain teasers since I was born to where I am completely apathetic to power of suggesting origins are out there.

Who was Peter before Jesus renamed him Peter? Saul. What was saul before he became a disciple of jesus? Traitor to Rome both church and state.

No, sole, Peter was ALWAYS named Peter, or its Aramaic or Hebrew equivalent.
Paul was formerly named Saul.
So why did Saul decide to change his name?

The Greek form of the name, Σαῦλος, could be problematic among Greek-speakers, since the adjective σαῦλος conveyed “effeminate” or “conceited,” and the cognate verbs σαυλοπρωκτιάω and σαυλοόμαι could mean walking in an effeminate manner. This association might (at least in part) explain a preference for “Paul” in Greek settings.6

The Latin name Paul(l)us went into Greek as Παῦλος (Paulos), although the inscriptions and literary sources do not contain many examples of Romans bearing this name. Other than Saul/Paul, we have few examples of Jewish people with this name in the Greek East in the first century—Bauckham cites only two examples.7

Paul(l)us means “small” (like the modern “shorty”), which might indicate that he was little when born. Bauckham (among others) wonders if assonance between Saulos and Paulos might explain how a Jewish child called “Saul” received the Latin name “Paul”; the most we can say is that is possible.8

Paul wanted to convert pagans to his new religion, which was rightfully considered to be an offshoot of Judaism. So he took a non-Jewish name.

If you want to present an appealing side to the public, it helps to have a rather common name.
Archibald Alexander Leach is not such a name, but Cary Grant is.
Issur Danielovich became Kirk Douglas. Kirk means "church" by the way.

Paul did not wish to have a name that suggested that he was a fairy.

Your Biblical scholarship seems defective.

Nostradamus'omh » 01 May 2023, 12:08 pm » wrote: ↑

01 May 2023, 12:08 pm

Ever occur to your social mind, explaining how corruption is created, shows how anyone doing it has done it to this point. That isn't blame, that is guilt by association.

And you associate with it all the time. So your guilty instinctiv brain always knew what you chose to mind and why, but you kept is secret how you kept getting away with it. 

So, you don't blame me for associating.. and getting away with it?

I know you don't do reasonable doubt, but I still have to try..

 


 
 

Jantje_Smit » 02 May 2023, 9:32 am » wrote: ↑

02 May 2023, 9:32 am

So, you don't blame me for associating.. and getting away with it?

I know you don't do reasonable doubt, but I still have to try..

:faint:  

Your behavior performs as theirs. That isn't me blaming you for ****. I describe how you behave and it is your responsibility to understand life's common rule for the survival of one's ancestry, their species, the food chain native to their atmosphere and geographical region.

I explain where humanity went wrong, and everyone corrupted shout I am wrong. Reality is majority rules left right lead follow, top down, bottom up,we are in charge of each ancestors behavior cradle to grave all 5 generation gaps present.

Gee how does that get managed after 7,000 years of context misrepresenting content. Last generation arriving one at a time is trained to obey previous 4 generations behavior forward, or else. The passive Aggressives rule of laws justifies eliminating anyone questing humanity's authority where anyone displaying instinctive awareness is found mentally ill, dysfunctional, antisocial, racist, homophobe, hater, brain damaged, useless, worthless, and everyone knows the whole list.

I vent my rage in sarcasm, I do my best to be apathetic to reality and completely empathic to reproductions adapting to space never exceeding evolving here one at a time.

I wanted to understand equality so bad I gave up pretending to be superior/inferior, priceless/worthless, loved/hated, acknowledge/ignored, but I am just a sole displacement with every emotion anyone ever get since conceived to replace your 30 people of the previous 4 generations that combined up 93.75% each persons unique DNA signature for being added to lie here now.

the story in the genes.

Peter was never named Saul.

Nostradamus'omh » 29 Apr 2023, 8:14 am » wrote: ↑

29 Apr 2023, 8:14 am

Because all laws legislating definitions of typecast people always protect those stereotyping their opposition as less than human.

Alpha minds, loyal we, us, obedient they, them, those must eliminate anyone not complying to social consensus how evolving should be managed for better tomorrows forward here now.

Genetics only changes population occupying space here now people change ancestral positions after parenting another generation gap forward here arriving last great great grandchild replacing their 4 previous generation gaps left alive with a completely different DNA than any previous generation in the lineage.

So all you civic minded typecast people pretending to be so above evolving intellectually training each great great grandchild to never accept their actual time living as eternally separated now get to direct outcomes as the healthy, wealthy, and wise leaders of anything else is possible.

Wrong-O, Buck-O.
The Christian Libertarian knows how to give peace, freedom,
& space to his fellow-man.   He also knows how to secure
those same things for himself.      With force if necessary.

"World Peace is available......if we all play our cards right".

Taipan » 02 May 2023, 12:08 pm » wrote: ↑

02 May 2023, 12:08 pm

Wrong-O, Buck-O.
The Christian Libertarian knows how to give peace, freedom,
& space to his fellow-man.   He also knows how to secure
those same things for himself.      With force if necessary.

"World Peace is available......if we all play our cards right".

And here it goes again. Give peace? freedom from what? time is stationary and each reproduction only gets the time one remain alive after conceived mutually evolving forward now. Even after death, evolving doesn't stop, just reverses the process of staying alive and decomposition happens instead of cellular regeneration in the body.

Your mind isn't your ancestral brain. the vocabulary you define yourself is trademarked, copyrighted so you pay to rent who you perform as cradle to grave Mr. Mercenary that volunteers yourself out to tyrants for a fee.

Peter was NEVER NAMED SAUL.
Paul was formerly Saul. He claimed that Jesus spoke to him in a vision, and addressed him as Saul.

Xavier_Onassis » 02 May 2023, 12:42 pm » wrote: ↑

02 May 2023, 12:42 pm

Peter was NEVER NAMED SAUL.
Paul was formerly Saul. He claimed that Jesus spoke to him in a vision, and addressed him as Saul.

Great way to avoid he was a Roman before denouncing Rome and then denying he was with Jesus after they came looking for the 13 people denouncing Rome.

Nostradamus'omh » 02 May 2023, 11:49 am » wrote: ↑

02 May 2023, 11:49 am

Your behavior performs as theirs. That isn't me blaming you for ****. I describe how you behave and it is your responsibility to understand life's common rule for the survival of one's ancestry, their species, the food chain native to their atmosphere and geographical region.

I explain where humanity went wrong, and everyone corrupted shout I am wrong. Reality is majority rules left right lead follow, top down, bottom up,we are in charge of each ancestors behavior cradle to grave all 5 generation gaps present.

Gee how does that get managed after 7,000 years of context misrepresenting content. Last generation arriving one at a time is trained to obey previous 4 generations behavior forward, or else. The passive Aggressives rule of laws justifies eliminating anyone questing humanity's authority where anyone displaying instinctive awareness is found mentally ill, dysfunctional, antisocial, racist, homophobe, hater, brain damaged, useless, worthless, and everyone knows the whole list.

I vent my rage in sarcasm, I do my best to be apathetic to reality and completely empathic to reproductions adapting to space never exceeding evolving here one at a time.

I wanted to understand equality so bad I gave up pretending to be superior/inferior, priceless/worthless, loved/hated, acknowledge/ignored, but I am just a sole displacement with every emotion anyone ever get since conceived to replace your 30 people of the previous 4 generations that combined up 93.75% each persons unique DNA signature for being added to lie here now.

the story in the genes.

That's a new one, why is it my responsibilty to accept that now is eternity?

You say you don't blame me for **** but that sounds like a judgement and if humanity went wrong, except you, doesn't that make you right and everyone else wrong... and thus make you superior to everyone ... lol.. ok, you're not pretending, but still...

 
 

Nostradamus'omh » 02 May 2023, 1:05 pm » wrote: ↑

02 May 2023, 1:05 pm

Great way to avoid he was a Roman before denouncing Rome and then denying he was with Jesus after they came looking for the 13 people denouncing Rome.

Peter was not a Roman, and any Roman would know that immediately by his accent, his clothing and I imagine facial hair. As for Paul, Paul never actually met Jesus in person, and only claimed to have seen him in a vision while on the roar to Damascus.
Paul was a Roman citizen (or claimed to be one), but of course, any non Roman with connections could be a Roman citizen.

About changing one's name:  Could  you pass yourself off as Jewish by changing your name to Schlomo Goldblatt?
 

Jantje_Smit » 03 May 2023, 9:27 am » wrote: ↑

03 May 2023, 9:27 am

That's a new one, why is it my responsibilty to accept that now is eternity?

You say you don't blame me for **** but that sounds like a judgement and if humanity went wrong, except you, doesn't that make you right and everyone else wrong... and thus make you superior to everyone ... lol.. ok, you're not pretending, but still...

:blink:  
 

If you had to ask, you never wanted to know the complete answer why you exist in plain sight. Correct your own behavior is why. Everyone needs a common ground, with now being eternity and each ancestor is equally timed apart since conceived since inception, all the psychological class warfare becomes mute between "we say so democracy and/or who are you to question me/us" pretending to be more equally alive since conceived to share space mutually evolving forward now in plain sight **** done for 6 or 7,000 thousand years of recorded history governing people by power of suggesting now isn't eternity and their is a universal intellect making natural perpetual balancing work unnaturally here everyone waiting for a sign from the supernatural planner of all things arriving tomorrow.

but you love reasonable doubt because you can eliminate so many people without lifting a finger against them yourself. Living never exceeded evolving as displaced now.

Each lifetime has its own time as eternally separate since conceived to decomposed.
Kinetic physical absolutes apply to inorganic and ancestral results here.

each ancestor is equally timed apart since conceived since inception

Who times your ancestors? Do you do it all by yourself, or do you have some one do it for you?

Dagny Taggart
@DagnyTaggart963

“We are fast approaching the stage…
where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission.".

Sumela » 03 May 2023, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

03 May 2023, 9:42 am

Dagny Taggart
@DagnyTaggart963

“We are fast approaching the stage…
where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission.".

Bet you are involved with the shadow of doubt government.

Ooo! Dagny Taggart! Someone has read Atlas Shrugged.

Great book! I liked the happy ending, where John Galt saved humanity.

Xavier_Onassis » 03 May 2023, 11:10 am » wrote: ↑

03 May 2023, 11:10 am

Ooo! Dagny Taggart! Someone has read Atlas Shrugged.

Great book! I liked the happy ending, where John Galt saved humanity.

Nobody will ever know the person that rescues homo sapiens from themselves, except those that have.