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For many, being homeless is a sad, unavoidable reality they must deal with, but for some, homelessness is a choice.

I know people who are offered housing on a condition.. that they submit a clean UA sample.  Many addicts would simply rather live on the streets and do drugs, than be clean and sober with housing.  That is a choice.

In some way, the answer to homelessness should be understanding what makes the American system of governance and economics so repulsive to many people that they choose not to engage at all, choosing homelessness and addiction over participating in this fake society ?

only a sick culture would produce millions who literally choose suffering and death over mainstream existence
 
 
 

How many people do you know that chose living on the street?

Xavier_Onassis » 03 May 2023, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑

03 May 2023, 9:15 am

How many people do you know that chose living on the street?

Why would anyone "know" these people who have effectively dropped out on purpose?
That is the main thrust of SJC's question.

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SJConspirator » 03 May 2023, 9:08 am » wrote: ↑

03 May 2023, 9:08 am

For many, being homeless is a sad, unavoidable reality they must deal with, but for some, homelessness is a choice.

I know people who are offered housing on a condition.. that they submit a clean UA sample.  Many addicts would simply rather live on the streets and do drugs, than be clean and sober with housing.  That is a choice.

In some way, the answer to homelessness should be understanding what makes the American system of governance and economics so repulsive to many people that they choose not to engage at all, choosing homelessness and addiction over participating in this fake society ?

only a sick culture would produce millions who literally choose suffering and death over mainstream existence

It is a very good question.
Probably the type that if you ask 10 people, you get 10 different answers.

Making a "drug culture" become mainstream popular is certainly part of it.
Any form of enabling, well-intentioned or not, doesn't serve them well in the long run either.

Xavier_Onassis » 03 May 2023, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑

03 May 2023, 9:15 am

How many people do you know that chose living on the street?

We Took  in a homeless friend. He knocks on the door in the middle of the nite during a snow storm. And he stayed.
We spent a ton of money on him- fed him- fixed his truck- took him to job interviews... and saved his dog from being put down in the pound. once we found it.
know where he ended up? living in his truck in the woods.. drunk as a skunk.
his nickname  was bad MoJo.
no he didnt really want to be helped.
 

sootedupCyndi » 03 May 2023, 9:26 am » wrote: ↑

03 May 2023, 9:26 am

We Took  in a homeless friend. He knocks on the door in the middle of the nite during a snow storm. And he stayed.
We spent a ton of money on him- fed him- fixed his truck- took him to job interviews... and saved his dog from being put down in the pound. once we found it.
know where he ended up? living in his truck in the woods.. drunk as a skunk.
his nickname  was bad MoJo.
no he didnt really want to be helped.

That is the enabling (well-intentioned) that I to which I referred.
It's nigh on impossible to tell if your help will "take" or not. The person has to really want it.

I was there myself long ago.
My tale of woe isn't the point beyond saying that I can relate to having basically nothing with no prospects.
It is scary and daunting.

I used my powers of stubbornness for good instead of evil back then.  
 
 

DeezerShoove » 03 May 2023, 9:31 am » wrote: ↑

03 May 2023, 9:31 am

That is the enabling (well-intentioned) that I to which I referred.
It's nigh on impossible to tell if your help will "take" or not. The person has to really want it.

I was there myself long ago.
My tale of woe isn't the point beyond saying that I can relate to having basically nothing with no prospects.
It is scary and daunting.

I used my powers of stubbornness for good instead of evil back then.

He had a beautiful friendly -big -loveable dog. He went to jail. And we saved his dog. Cost us almost 100 bucks to spring the dog out of the pound.
Dog became part of the family for awhile- until the dog ended up at his sisters... 

The Thing that got me the maddest was. When he got out. He accused us and his sister of STEALING his dog.
The shelter was closing and moving far away.
He would have never seen that dog again. Ungrateful POS.
yes it was enabling... and it was a big mistake.
 
 

Sorry to hear about MoJoe. It was nice of you to attempt to rehabilitate him.

I think that there always have been people who have chosen to live alone and become addicts. There were a number of small farms scattered about my part of Missouri that were inhabited by lone men or couples that lived in what one would call squalor. I met them when I was a teenager, delivering prescriptions for a pharmacy.

Xavier_Onassis » 03 May 2023, 9:54 am » wrote: ↑

03 May 2023, 9:54 am

Sorry to hear about MoJoe. It was nice of you to attempt to rehabilitate him.

I think that there always have been people who have chosen to live alone and become addicts. There were a number of small farms scattered about my part of Missouri that were inhabited by lone men or couples that lived in what one would call squalor. I met them when I was a teenager, delivering prescriptions for a pharmacy.

We weren't really trying to rehab him. Just giving him a fighting chance back.... He  had worked with my ol man before. so he was capable of living a normal life. Ya know
He was a bit *simple*  with a drinking problem. But always had been a functioning drunk. 
 

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sootedupCyndi » 03 May 2023, 9:38 am » wrote: ↑

03 May 2023, 9:38 am

He had a beautiful friendly -big -loveable dog. He went to jail. And we saved his dog. Cost us almost 100 bucks to spring the dog out of the pound.
Dog became part of the family for awhile- until the dog ended up at his sisters... 

The Thing that got me the maddest was. When he got out. He accused us and his sister of STEALING his dog.
The shelter was closing and moving far away.
He would have never seen that dog again. Ungrateful POS.
yes it was enabling... and it was a big mistake.

As I said, it's hard to tell most of the time.
Trying to be a good person, do what's right, all that ****, is a thankless task.
Especially if the person is alcohol or drug dependent. Addled **** are fickle.

DeezerShoove » 03 May 2023, 12:30 pm » wrote: ↑

03 May 2023, 12:30 pm

As I said, it's hard to tell most of the time.
Trying to be a good person, do what's right, all that ****, is a thankless task.
Especially if the person is alcohol or drug dependent. Addled **** are fickle.

my ol man gives me the scanner-  Cyndi_ I'm going to the next town to buy some wood. You keep this on... MoJo had been missing.
OK? So I have the scanner---- He wasn't gone half an hour... and the scanner is crackling off..
Cops- the guy just creamed another car.... his wheels are coming off the truck... sparks are coming off the wheels.... we're in chase...
no no i'm thinkin?  sounds like his truck...
yes it WAS..
crackle crackle--- static.

 next thing i heard was...
the wrecker guy...
Everything is ok... the dog is  ok- sitting in the front seat of my wrecker.      
then it all went dead.....
it was a very special dog!

 

There is a lot of homeless who are mentally ill here in Vegas. Some homeless people do choose that life for whatever reason. However, most don't. Generally speaking, our society is cancerous. We are sick and unhealthy. Of course, all the self-righteous lefties, like XO, will claim that they are wonderful and everybody else is the problem. 

Too bad we tore down all those old phone booths or we could have converted them into affordable housing for the homeless
 

people in congress could care less about the homeless. for ratings they lie, and say they care. truth: congress lives off the tax payers gravy train. and cares less. all help must come from the people. i will not help. why? i do not want to get involve. homeless will need to be left alone and find their own answers.

SJConspirator » 03 May 2023, 9:08 am » wrote: ↑

03 May 2023, 9:08 am

For many, being homeless is a sad, unavoidable reality they must deal with, but for some, homelessness is a choice.

I know people who are offered housing on a condition.. that they submit a clean UA sample.  Many addicts would simply rather live on the streets and do drugs, than be clean and sober with housing.  That is a choice.

In some way, the answer to homelessness should be understanding what makes the American system of governance and economics so repulsive to many people that they choose not to engage at all, choosing homelessness and addiction over participating in this fake society ?

only a sick culture would produce millions who literally choose suffering and death over mainstream existence

You described the problem.
What is your solution.?