Xavier_Onassis » 16 May 2023, 4:54 pm » wrote: ↑ It was called the Republic of Crimea within the Ukrainian federation. Te word 'republic' in Russian and Ukrainian means only something like 'state'.
There is no majority population in Crimea.
Khruschev (who was Ukrainian) transferred Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR in the 1950's
Before that Stalin rounded up the Crimean Tatars and others and shipped them off to Kazakhstan, some returned later.
so what?Xavier_Onassis » 16 May 2023, 4:54 pm » wrote: ↑ It was called the Republic of Crimea within the Ukrainian federation. Te word 'republic' in Russian and Ukrainian means only something like 'state'.
There is no majority population in Crimea.
Khruschev (who was Ukrainian) transferred Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR in the 1950's
Before that Stalin rounded up the Crimean Tatars and others and shipped them off to Kazakhstan, some returned later.
crimea wants to be part of russia. ukraine getting crimea back is the worst reason for all this crap and the possibility of ww3.Xavier_Onassis » 16 May 2023, 4:54 pm » wrote: ↑ It was called the Republic of Crimea within the Ukrainian federation. Te word 'republic' in Russian and Ukrainian means only something like 'state'.
There is no majority population in Crimea.
Khruschev (who was Ukrainian) transferred Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR in the 1950's
Before that Stalin rounded up the Crimean Tatars and others and shipped them off to Kazakhstan, some returned later.
Skans » 17 May 2023, 8:25 am » wrote: ↑Your spin on Russia's invasion of Ukraine is bogus. I don't like Biden, don't support Biden, and think he's the worst president of all time. However, none of that matters in my saying that your spin is bogus. It is what it is, I just report the facts.
- Russia did not invade the US; therefore there was nothing for Biden to "negotiate" for.
- It was not upon the US to "negotiate" for peace. There was no war, no threat of attack, no preparation for war.
- Crimea still belonged to Ukraine and Ukraine had a right to claim it and demand its return. That is not a valid pretext for Russia to invade Ukraine.
ukraine threatened russia. that was a valid reason for russia to invade ukraine. americans were not told this.Skans » 17 May 2023, 8:25 am » wrote: ↑Your spin on Russia's invasion of Ukraine is bogus. I don't like Biden, don't support Biden, and think he's the worst president of all time. However, none of that matters in my saying that your spin is bogus. It is what it is, I just report the facts.
- Russia did not invade the US; therefore there was nothing for Biden to "negotiate" for.
- It was not upon the US to "negotiate" for peace. There was no war, no threat of attack, no preparation for war.
- Crimea still belonged to Ukraine and Ukraine had a right to claim it and demand its return. That is not a valid pretext for Russia to invade Ukraine.
So? Russia's military was all along Ukraine's border preparing to invade. If there were to be any negotiations, it should have been between Ukraine and Russia. We have the right to support a country that was wrongfully invaded, and we have no obligation to negotiate on its behalf. If Putin believes otherwise, then Putin is a fool who made a very stupid mistake.jerrab » 17 May 2023, 8:31 am » wrote: ↑ he certainly said things like the US will give weapons to ukraine and that the US will put sanctions on russia and ukraine can join nato- which is a lie.
Ukraine did not threaten Russia. It wanted Crimea back and it had every right to try and get it back. Crimea is not and was not a part of Russia. It belonged to Ukraine. Putin invented several bogus pretexts for invading Ukraine. For that, Putin is a sopping wet ******. I'd have more respect for the Moscow Midget if he simply said "We want Ukrainian land and we will take it". Because, that's the simple truth. But, Putin didn't have the balls to state that like previous Russian-Communist leaders would have done.jerrab » 17 May 2023, 8:33 am » wrote: ↑ ukraine threatened russia. that was a valid reason for russia to invade ukraine. americans were not told this.
Because the video of Floyd's murder was put on line and shown on almost every newscast for weeks.Z09 » 11 May 2023, 7:16 am » wrote: ↑ So this is a local story?
Why was Floyd a national story then?
ukraine did threaten russia. in august 2021Skans » 17 May 2023, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑ Ukraine did not threaten Russia. It wanted Crimea back and it had every right to try and get it back. Crimea is not and was not a part of Russia. It belonged to Ukraine. Putin invented several bogus pretexts for invading Ukraine. For that, Putin is a sopping wet ******. I'd have more respect for the Moscow Midget if he simply said "We want Ukrainian land and we will take it". Because, that's the simple truth. But, Putin didn't have the balls to state that like previous Russian-Communist leaders would have done.
You keep saying this. Yet, you don't state "the threat". I explained that all Ukraine did was promise to re-claim Crimea. That is not worthy of Russia invading and destroying Ukraine. Russia's taking of Crimea was by force and unlawful. Crimea is in fact still Ukraine's territory.jerrab » 17 May 2023, 9:19 am » wrote: ↑ ukraine did threaten russia. in august 2021
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this was in 2021, before the invasion.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk ... 021-08-24/
KYIV, Aug 24 (Reuters) - Ukraine held its first military parade in several years, celebrating the 30th anniversary of its independence and declaring it would reclaim areas of its territory annexed by Russia.Units of the Ukrainian army, tanks, armored personnel carriers, missiles and air defence systems marched along the central street of Kyiv, while a parade of Ukrainian Navy units took place in the Black Sea port of Odessa
******************************************************************"We are fighting for our people, because it is possible to temporarily occupy territories, but it is impossible to occupy people's love for Ukraine," President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said at a ceremony before the parade."People in Donbass and Crimea will return to us, because we are a family," he said.Relations between Kyiv and Moscow collapsed after Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula in 2014 and the outbreak of war between Ukrainian troops and Russian-backed forces in eastern Ukraine that Kyiv says has killed 14,000 people in seven years.
Skans » 17 May 2023, 9:36 am » wrote: ↑ You keep saying this. Yet, you don't state "the threat". I explained that all Ukraine did was promise to re-claim Crimea. That is not worthy of Russia invading and destroying Ukraine. Russia's taking of Crimea was by force and unlawful. Crimea is in fact still Ukraine's territory.
Again, state the threat.
KYIV, Aug 24 (Reuters) - Ukraine held its first military parade in several years, celebrating the 30th anniversary of its independence and declaring it would reclaim areas of its territory annexed by Russia.Units of the Ukrainian army, tanks, armored personnel carriers, missiles and air defence systems marched along the central street of Kyiv, while a parade of Ukrainian Navy units took place in the Black Sea port of OdessaSkans » 17 May 2023, 9:36 am » wrote: ↑ You keep saying this. Yet, you don't state "the threat". I explained that all Ukraine did was promise to re-claim Crimea. That is not worthy of Russia invading and destroying Ukraine. Russia's taking of Crimea was by force and unlawful. Crimea is in fact still Ukraine's territory.
Again, state the threat.
Inside one's own country - yeah, not a threat.
Crimea is Ukraine's. They are entitled to claim it and say they want to get it back. Is Ukraine supposed to just roll over and suck Putin's cock after Putin took Crimea by force. Any "fight" in Crimea is a fight inside of Ukraine. It is not a part of Russia.and saying they will fight to get crimea is not a threat?
Russia at the time had armed troops and other supporters taking control of areas of the Eastern Ukraine. Russia threatened Ukraine by sending troops into Ukraine.jerrab » 17 May 2023, 9:50 am » wrote: ↑ a military parade with tanks and saying they will fight to get crimea is not a threat?
May 9, 2023 - "Russia holds Military Parade in Moscow".jerrab » 17 May 2023, 9:51 am » wrote: ↑ KYIV, Aug 24 (Reuters) - Ukraine held its first military parade in several years, celebrating the 30th anniversary of its independence and declaring it would reclaim areas of its territory annexed by Russia.Units of the Ukrainian army, tanks, armored personnel carriers, missiles and air defence systems marched along the central street of Kyiv, while a parade of Ukrainian Navy units took place in the Black Sea port of Odessa
Skans » 17 May 2023, 10:01 am » wrote: ↑ May 9, 2023 - "Russia holds Military Parade in Moscow".
Ok, now the US is justified in invading and nuking Russia.
russia gave ukraine plenty of chances to bargain before they actually invaded. biden made things worse.Skans » 17 May 2023, 9:55 am » wrote: ↑ Inside one's own country - yeah, not a threat.
Crimea is Ukraine's. They are entitled to claim it and say they want to get it back. Is Ukraine supposed to just roll over and suck Putin's cock after Putin took Crimea by force. Any "fight" in Crimea is a fight inside of Ukraine. It is not a part of Russia.
Putin is a smarmy Moscow Midget who used Ukraine's claim under treaty with Russia, as a pretext to invade Ukraine, murder people and destroy entire cities. I know what you are saying is total ****. You know what you are saying is total ****. The world knows what you are saying is total ****. Contrived, ******-Putin propaganda is nothing more than ****.
If Putin were a real man and had balls like Stalin, he would have maned up and said "WE'RE TAKING UKRAINE BECAUSE RUSSIA WANTS IT AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THE MILITARY TO STOP US". That would at least be the truth.
Skans » 17 May 2023, 9:55 am » wrote: ↑ Inside one's own country - yeah, not a threat.
Crimea is Ukraine's. They are entitled to claim it and say they want to get it back. Is Ukraine supposed to just roll over and suck Putin's cock after Putin took Crimea by force. Any "fight" in Crimea is a fight inside of Ukraine. It is not a part of Russia.
Putin is a smarmy Moscow Midget who used Ukraine's claim under treaty with Russia, as a pretext to invade Ukraine, murder people and destroy entire cities. I know what you are saying is total ****. You know what you are saying is total ****. The world knows what you are saying is total ****. Contrived, ******-Putin propaganda is nothing more than ****.
If Putin were a real man and had balls like Stalin, he would have maned up and said "WE'RE TAKING UKRAINE BECAUSE RUSSIA WANTS IT AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THE MILITARY TO STOP US". That would at least be the truth.
Skans » 17 May 2023, 10:01 am » wrote: ↑ May 9, 2023 - "Russia holds Military Parade in Moscow".
Ok, now the US is justified in invading and nuking Russia.