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Xavier_Onassis » 15 May 2023, 4:40 pm » wrote: ↑

15 May 2023, 4:40 pm

Smarter than you'll ever be. When the Constitution was written, no one was worried about excessive immigration. Many of the Hessian soldiers that the British hired to fight the patriots stayed in this country or came back to America and were given land.
Venezuelans are not bad people, and I actually prefer them to moronic right wing assholes such as the many who post in this forum.

Venezuelans who abandoned their native land rather than fix problems?

Xavier_Onassis » 15 May 2023, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

15 May 2023, 9:20 am

Immigrants seeking work is not an invasion, dolt.
From the time that this country was created until the Civil War, anyone who was not diseased was allowed in.
From the 1870's to the 1920's. all a Mexican had to do was walk across the border.

Over 6 million people have illegally entered the United States. 
You can spin it all you want, but that clearly IS an invasion. 
 

NOT TO MENTION TITLE 8 SECTION 1325

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

Ilona omg

Xavier_Onassis » 15 May 2023, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

15 May 2023, 9:20 am

Immigrants seeking work is not an invasion, dolt.
From the time that this country was created until the Civil War, anyone who was not diseased was allowed in.
From the 1870's to the 1920's. all a Mexican had to do was walk across the border.

INCORRECT. THEY STILL HAD TO ENTER AT ENTRY POINTS AND BE DOCUMENTED. THOSE THAT DIDN'T WERE DEPORTED. IT WASN'T A CONCERN BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF IMMIGRANTS DID NOT COME FROM MEXICO AT THAT TIME. IN 1929 THAT CHANGED. 
THOSE COMING FROM SOUTHERN AND EASTERN EUROPE THROUGH ELLIS ISLAND, HAD TO, IN THEIR POSSESSION, HAVE A MONETARY AMOUNT AND HAD TO HAVE A SPONSOR WITH A PERMANENT RESIDENCE WHO WOULD HOUSE THE IMMIGRANT FOR A SPECIFIED LENGTH OF TIME, ONLY AFTER THEY HAD THE PROPER DOCUMENTATION TO ENTER THE COUNTRY LEGALLY


U.S. authorities subjected Mexican immigrants, in particular, to kerosene baths and humiliating delousing procedures because they believed Mexican immigrants carried disease and filth on their bodies.”
            GOT TO LOVE IT
 
 

ConsRule » 15 May 2023, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

15 May 2023, 4:48 pm

The definition of invasion has nothing to do with the Constitution.  Simple fact, an invasion doesn't have to be armed and the Constitution requires the federal government to protect the states from invasion.

Is it you position that freedom of the press doesn't apply to radio, television and internet news sites?  Those were also not envisioned when the Constitution was written.

There is also this, (Article 2, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution orders: “The President…shall take care that the Laws be faithfully executed...")

Once upon a time, the U. S. Constitution was pesky for the left. Today, it is ignored with impunity and without a peep. We are accelerating downhill. N'est-ce pas? 

Goodgrief » 15 May 2023, 9:48 pm » wrote: ↑

15 May 2023, 9:48 pm

There is also this, (Article 2, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution orders: “The President…shall take care that the Laws be faithfully executed...")

Once upon a time, the U. S. Constitution was pesky for the left. Today, it is ignored with impunity and without a peep. We are accelerating downhill. N'est-ce pas?

You are a Right Wing Nut Job if you expect The Constitution to be followed.
Remember that is was written by lawless rebels with guns prone to violence and division.
Ergo, we have been following a Manifesto of Evil.

Thank God (if any), we woke up. We're doing so much better...

Xavier_Onassis » 15 May 2023, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

15 May 2023, 9:20 am

Immigrants seeking work is not an invasion, dolt.

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Yeah it is the welfare queens and career criminals that are hurting the country,

I just had new roof put on my house...the Amigo crew was $1,6000 cheaper thatn a Appalachian and they did more work.  Because of a misunderstanding the boss lady climbed the ladder durn a light rain to see the problem. One giu spoke perfect English and if I needed I spoke to him.  The boss lady refereed to me as Mr Mack the whole job and I appreciated Her total crew were all Christians and never stopped working for a minute. (even to to catch a butt) The took one 5 minute break and when the head Amigo said some thing they were all up and immediately back to work

There are all WELCOME IN AMERICA ACCORDING TO ME UNTIL THE WOLRD BLOWS UP !

Thier (eg) amigos 80 % Drag SPIC COUSIN'S CAN Leave TOMORROW AS FAR AS I'M CONCERN.
 
 

Goodgrief » 15 May 2023, 9:14 am » wrote: ↑

15 May 2023, 9:14 am

Everyone who is honest with themselves knows that states are being invaded because of Biden's border policies. These policies, or the lack thereof, have and are resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths and much suffering. So, this administration is not only violating the US Constitution but is also responsible for mayhem and mass murder.

Section 4

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

While I agree that the Federal Government has a duty to do what is stated in Art.4 Sect. 4, what does it say about the consequences should the Federal Government fail its responsibilities in this regard?
 

golfboy » 15 May 2023, 7:57 pm » wrote: ↑

15 May 2023, 7:57 pm

Over 6 million people have illegally entered the United States. 
You can spin it all you want, but that clearly IS an invasion.

Not an invasion as referred to in the Constitution.

Xavier_Onassis » 15 May 2023, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

15 May 2023, 9:20 am

Immigrants seeking work is not an invasion, dolt.
From the time that this country was created until the Civil War, anyone who was not diseased was allowed in.
From the 1870's to the 1920's. all a Mexican had to do was walk across the border.

So in our current economic crisis why then are they coming here? 5 million in two years is an invasion you idiot when you consider we allowed that many to legally immigrate here in the last 4 years.

Xavier_Onassis » 16 May 2023, 10:08 am » wrote: ↑

16 May 2023, 10:08 am

Not an invasion as referred to in the Constitution.

Flesh out what the Constitution considers an invasion you retard.

DeezerShoove » 16 May 2023, 7:16 am » wrote: ↑

16 May 2023, 7:16 am

You are a Right Wing Nut Job if you expect The Constitution to be followed.
Remember that is was written by lawless rebels with guns prone to violence and division.
Ergo, we have been following a Manifesto of Evil.

Thank God (if any), we woke up. We're doing so much better...

Sarcasm right?

Skans » 16 May 2023, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

16 May 2023, 9:45 am

While I agree that the Federal Government has a duty to do what is stated in Art.4 Sect. 4, what does it say about the consequences should the Federal Government fail its responsibilities in this regard?

In reality the Constitution was written for us to defend not the government. The consequences are we take up arms and defend our borders.

FredH » 16 May 2023, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑

16 May 2023, 1:03 pm

In reality the Constitution was written for us to defend not the government. The consequences are we take up arms and defend our borders.

The Constitution doesn't state that.  It also doesn't permit states to secede if the Federal Government doesn't do what it was commissioned to do.  In that regard, the Constitution lacks teeth.
 

Skans » 16 May 2023, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

16 May 2023, 1:11 pm

The Constitution doesn't state that.  It also doesn't permit states to secede if the Federal Government doesn't do what it was commissioned to do.  In that regard, the Constitution lacks teeth.

******* the Constitution says we give the Constitution teeth. The Government has no legal way to manipulate the Constitution. Secession was legal. You ******* we voluntarily entered the Union and could Constitutionally leave the Union.

Constitution of the United StatesThe Preamble  We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. 
.        WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.
          We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.
          He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.
          He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Importance, unless suspended in their Operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. 
          He has refused to pass other Laws for the Accommodation of large Districts of People, unless those People would relinquish the Right of Representation in the Legislature, a Right inestimable to them, and formidable to Tyrants only.
          .
          He has refused for a long Time, after such Dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the Dangers of Invasion from without, and Convulsions within. 
        
 
 

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.
He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

What part of this is not true?

FredH » 16 May 2023, 1:31 pm » wrote: ↑

16 May 2023, 1:31 pm

******* the Constitution says we give the Constitution teeth. The Government has no legal way to manipulate the Constitution. Secession was legal. You ******* we voluntarily entered the Union and could Constitutionally leave the Union.

 

The Constitution says nothing of the sort.  If so, then quote me the passage.  Don't bother quoting me the 2nd Amendment.  I am well aware of what it says, and it doesn't give that clause any teeth.

Constitution of the United StatesThe Preamble  We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. 

Yep, it says that, but there is no retribution against the Federal Government or those in charge for neglecting their duties.

I get it.  You interpret the Constitution's preamble as a call to arms when the Feds refuse to defend the borders.  And, you might be right.  But, other than that, there is no procedure for forcing the Feds to do their job, remove the Feds from office or remove the offended state from the Union.
   
 

Skans » 16 May 2023, 1:45 pm » wrote: ↑

16 May 2023, 1:45 pm

The Constitution says nothing of the sort.  If so, then quote me the passage.  Don't bother quoting me the 2nd Amendment.  I am well aware of what it says, and it doesn't give that clause any teeth.

Yep, it says that, but there is no retribution against the Federal Government or those in charge for neglecting their duties.

I get it.  You interpret the Constitution's preamble as a call to arms when the Feds refuse to defend the borders.  And, you might be right.  But, other than that, there is no procedure for forcing the Feds to do their job, remove the Feds from office or remove the offended state from the Union.

Where then retard does the Constitution state we cannot secede from the Union? Once the states seceded they again were free territories and Lincoln fomented an invasion of those territories. Where does it say the government has the right to say we cannot defend our borders? On the contrary the Constitution says the Federal government is there to defend our borders. And yes Impeachment is the tool in the Constitution for removing "Feds" who refuse to do their jobs. Your head up *** issue is serious.  Are you actually trying to say we have to pay taxes to an entity that refuses to do what it is Constitutionally directed to do?

FredH » 16 May 2023, 1:02 pm » wrote: ↑

16 May 2023, 1:02 pm

Sarcasm right?

I was trying to toe the leftie line there.
I think that's their type of spew.