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Skans » 23 May 2023, 3:10 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2023, 3:10 pm

You clearly know more about the mechanics of how this works.  So, how do you see this playing out?

The distributors are going to take the biggest hit, and some already have.

They buy their product from corporate the same way the retailers buy from them, so once it's in their warehouse, it's their product to sell or eat.

The distributors are starting to push back, but it may be too late for the ones that rely heavily on the AB brands for their survival... like this one

https://nypost.com/2023/05/23/bud-light ... -mulvaney/

I worked for the distributor in this article many moons ago, back when they were strictly an AB distributor, and at the time they probably realized half or more of their sales from Bud and Bud Light. Steve Tatum is actually the guy that hired me way back then.

I can guarantee without a doubt that this is crushing their sales. It pretty sad too because they are a really good group of hard working guys that never asked for this ****.

Everyone I'm still in touch with in the business felt like InBev buying the AB brand was a bad turn for the distributors, but they just had to deal with it just the same.

I personally think Bud Light as a brand is finished, and even Budweiser itself will never be what it once was. This crap clearly lays on the CEO of AB/InBev. To him, it's just one brand, but to certain distributors, it's their livelihood.

Some really decent hard working people have made careers out of selling AB products, only to now see it circling the drain because of a boneheaded move by an idiot in corporate.

 
 

RedheadedStranger » 23 May 2023, 3:32 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2023, 3:32 pm

The distributors are going to take the biggest hit, and some already have.

They buy their product from corporate the same way the retailers buy from them, so once it's in their warehouse, it's their product to sell or eat.

The distributors are starting to push back, but it may be too late for the ones that rely heavily on the AB brands for their survival... like this one

https://nypost.com/2023/05/23/bud-light ... -mulvaney/

I worked for the distributor in this article many moons ago, back when they were strictly an AB distributor, and at the time they probably realized half or more of their sales from Bud and Bud Light. Steve Tatum is actually the guy that hired me way back then.

I can guarantee without a doubt that this is crushing their sales. It pretty sad too because they are a really good group of hard working guys that never asked for this ****.

Everyone I'm still in touch with in the business felt like InBev buying the AB brand was a bad turn for the distributors, but they just had to deal with it just the same.

I personally think Bud Light as a brand is finished, and even Budweiser itself will never be what it once was. This crap clearly lays on the CEO of AB/InBev. To him, it's just one brand, but to certain distributors, it's their livelihood.

Some really decent hard working people have made careers out of selling AB products, only to now see it circling the drain because of a boneheaded move by an idiot in corporate.

This response was really worth reading.  Thanks.
 

Skans » 23 May 2023, 11:48 am » wrote: ↑

23 May 2023, 11:48 am

My take is that if the CEO was a decisive man who had any balls, he would quietly shelve the Bud Light brand for now.  I wouldn't make any big announcement about it, other than "we will be cutting back production of Bud Light substantially in the coming months".

The reason I wouldn't just scrap it is because I would be focused on saving the Budweiser brand.  If you just scrap Bud Light, the "Conservatives" will go after Budweiser.  So, I'd sacrifice Bud-Light to save Budweiser.

Then, I'd introduce a new light beer - call it Wizer Light or Wize Light.  Switch up the calories a bit, come up with some traditional looking packaging.   Of course, this may flop as bad as "New Coke" did.  But, I'd only bring limited amounts to market.  Then, 2-7 years from now, I would bring back Bud Light - again, at first in limited quantities.

If the CEO genuinely wanted to save Budweiser it would sell the company off to Miller Brewing or an new investment group.

               " If the CEO genuinely wanted to save Budweiser it would sell the company off to Miller Brewing or an new investment group. "

        This might be their best move..... 
Get Anheuser Busch into the hands of new ownership -- preferably American, or even better an employee buyout....
Sort of like when the Sporting Goods company AMF owned & nearly destroyed Harley Davidson ---- the Company was bought back by Employees and other investors and they were able  to save the business and Brand... 


        
 

Kobia2 » 23 May 2023, 4:21 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2023, 4:21 pm

               " If the CEO genuinely wanted to save Budweiser it would sell the company off to Miller Brewing or an new investment group. "

        This might be their best move..... 
Get Anheuser Busch into the hands of new ownership -- preferably American, or even better an employee buyout....
Sort of like when the Sporting Goods company AMF owned & nearly destroyed Harley Davidson ---- the Company was bought back by Employees and other investors and they were able  to save the business and Brand... 

Maybe the Distributors could all get together and buy it. 
 

Skans » 23 May 2023, 4:28 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2023, 4:28 pm

Maybe the Distributors could all get together and buy it.

      I bet that has been discussed ... Those are the people who are the legit victims in all this --- they've seen the value of their AB Distributorship Franchises tank through absolutely no fault of their own --- their employees such as warehouse personnel, sales & office staff, delivery truck drivers etc are also paying a heavy price for some woke asshole's incompetence & ignorance. ..   

Skans » 23 May 2023, 4:28 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2023, 4:28 pm

Maybe the Distributors could all get together and buy it.

I found this story pretty interesting.

http://washingtonbeerblog.com/anheuser- ... breweries/

It seems that InBev is starting to rethink some of their craft beer acquisitions.

Here is another...

https://vinepair.com/articles/ab-inbev-craft-layoffs/
 

sootedupCyndi » 22 May 2023, 3:41 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2023, 3:41 pm

And who do they think the camo will fool!
stop AB  you go in deeper every day LOL

Camo?  They only made one can for the trans didn’t they?
 

Skans » 23 May 2023, 2:04 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2023, 2:04 pm

LOL - Being a homosexual man must truly be a miserable life. What normal man thinks to himself "Yeah, I like dirty cocks and beer-cans shoved up my ***".

     

it's all about the love buddy...

the wife worked in the local courthouse early in her career and one fruity became the subject of a few of our dinner conversations....

1) local ambulance co receives call and request to come to local bar (08:00 Sunday and 1 block from courthouse)...call cancelled...
     10 minutes later, same caller, same request...EMT reports subject laid out on pool table with coffee pot spout inserted and stuck in
      subject's anal orifice...

2) police get call to house 01:30...same subject complains he met other man at (different) bar, agreed to go to subject's house to fellate each other....complaint read " subject gave other male BJ and now other male won't reciprocate...

now I will admit, I had encounters with this individual in restaurants and the **** was off...and I mean off...a guy I worked with grew up in same town of a couple hundred...he stated that the subject was absolutely bullied, tortured and terrorized on all aspects growing up...
 
I guess it's either this scenario or become a serial killer...choose your poison....
 

It's spreading!!!! ha ha ha....
Target now.
Target has decided to remove the LGTBQ swimwear from the front of their stores...
Because
They fear a AB backlash- type event.
Keep up the good work folks.
   
 

I know the inside story of this. My younger brother is a big wig in the company. But I've been sworn to secrecy and I don't betray a trust. Sorry.

Punch » 23 May 2023, 9:43 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2023, 9:43 pm

I know the inside story of this. My younger brother is a big wig in the company. But I've been sworn to secrecy and I don't betray a trust. Sorry.

Don't bait us then.  

 

Kobia2 » 23 May 2023, 4:41 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2023, 4:41 pm

      I bet that has been discussed ... Those are the people who are the legit victims in all this --- they've seen the value of their AB Distributorship Franchises tank through absolutely no fault of their own --- their employees such as warehouse personnel, sales & office staff, delivery truck drivers etc are also paying a heavy price for some woke asshole's incompetence & ignorance. ..   

Perhaps.  But, the Bud Light Tranny Beer was not AB-InBev's first go at embracing the homosexual political agenda.  Budweiser went all in with supporting Gay Pride.  While this was largely ignored by the general public, it should not have been ignored by the Distributors.  Did they speak up to the InBev?  Doubtfully.  Did they see the handwriting on the wall, that this Brazilian-Belgian owned company was going to go full-on woke and queer?  They sure should have.  This **** has been building up since AB was bought out by its current foreign owners. I can't imagine the Distributors were completely oblivious to this. 
 

RedheadedStranger » 23 May 2023, 4:53 pm » wrote: ↑

23 May 2023, 4:53 pm

I found this story pretty interesting.

http://washingtonbeerblog.com/anheuser- ... breweries/

It seems that InBev is starting to rethink some of their craft beer acquisitions.

Here is another...

https://vinepair.com/articles/ab-inbev-craft-layoffs/

Dang!  You're really on top of this - impressive. Both articles were interesting reads and at least let us know that AB-InBev has the wherewithal to sell a brand that is no longer adding much to their bottom line.  Could be a road-map of things to come.  I'd love to see AB sold off and go private again, hopefully under American ownership. 

Just this morning I read a week-old article in Barron's about the InBev fiasco.  Barrons tends to be a little to the left, but they have some good financial analysis and their stock/fund picks are more right than wrong.  This article that I just read calls InBev a buying opportunity.  While the writer acknowledges that the Conservative boycott (they got that wrong, it's amorphous groups of people who do not approve of woke, tranny nonsense) they believe the Bud Light, and AB-InBev will recover from this by the beginning of next year, 2024.  You could tell the writer of the article wants InBev to recover.

Interestingly, the most telling part of the Barron's article on InBev was at the very end.  It had a comparison summary of InBev's financial stats compared to other breweries.  Now, keep in mind, the entire point of the article was to say InBev was a "Buy" right now.  However, the one that stood out was Molson-Coors' numbers.  M-C's P/E was only 2/3's that of InBevs, indicating that it is a substantially cheaper and more undervalued stock.  It's earnings per share was substantially higher than InBev's and its dividend was about twice that of InBev's (InBev's dividend was about 1.4%, IIRC).  So, you can imagine that I'm reading the article and then the cherry on top is this bit of information about M-C at the end!!  The real buy is clearly M-C which has none of the bad news and corporate blundering that InBev has.
 
 
 

Skans » 23 May 2023, 8:36 am » wrote: ↑

23 May 2023, 8:36 am

Xavier informed me that both ends are insertable, depending on the size of the user.

You can't spell Onassis without ***.

sootedupCyndi » 23 May 2023, 11:50 am » wrote: ↑

23 May 2023, 11:50 am

The beer wars - is great FUN!!!!

https://youtu.be/V7P4pNuBiqk

 


 
 

Skans » 24 May 2023, 6:26 am » wrote: ↑

24 May 2023, 6:26 am

Perhaps.  But, the Bud Light Tranny Beer was not AB-InBev's first go at embracing the homosexual political agenda.  Budweiser went all in with supporting Gay Pride.  While this was largely ignored by the general public, it should not have been ignored by the Distributors.  Did they speak up to the InBev?  Doubtfully.  Did they see the handwriting on the wall, that this Brazilian-Belgian owned company was going to go full-on woke and queer?  They sure should have.  This **** has been building up since AB was bought out by its current foreign owners. I can't imagine the Distributors were completely oblivious to this.

                  From what I'm finding, Initially, 
        there was near unanimous support (96%) from voting shareholders in favor of the AB sale to INBev in 2008 for $52 Billion.... In large part, the deal was sold to them on the basis it would increase Bud's sales & market share worldwide by using InBev's established international production, marketing & global distribution network.. Sounds palatable in theory...

                  In specific regards to the Independently Owned American AB Distributors / Wholesalers, their operations & numbers were suppose to be largely unaffected, but if anything they should expect to see an increase in revenue taking on & selling some of InBev's popular foreign Beers which --- would not take away sales from their AB products... Again, nothing sounds alarming in theory... I could not source anything that indicated any groundswell of concern or objection by these domestic Distributors regarding the 2008 buyout... 

                 What has been made clear is there was a serious disconnect between AB and InBev when it came to marketing direction ---- specifically in the US.... American Beer drinkers don't want **** Rainbows on their bottles, or Trannys on the can.. It is a political endorsement of the Homo agenda, and mentally defective & deviant Transvestite lifestyle.. I've no doubt that such is the norm & embraced in InBev's foreign markets -- but not here, not now, not ever... And I agree with you --- once the tip of *** iceberg was spotted, it should have been all-hands on deck -- long before the InBev assholes and their like-minded American counterparts in upper AB management decided to hang such a controversial issue on the Brand, with no **** offramp if **** went sideways... 

      
 

Xavier_Onassis » 24 May 2023, 12:48 pm » wrote: ↑

24 May 2023, 12:48 pm

I'm sorry. That is just to funny. On-***-Is.  
 

Kobia2 » 24 May 2023, 12:45 pm » wrote: ↑

24 May 2023, 12:45 pm

               
                 What has been made clear is there was a serious disconnect between AB and InBev when it came to marketing direction ---- specifically in the US.... American Beer drinkers don't want **** Rainbows on their bottles, or Trannys on the can.. It is a political endorsement of the Homo agenda, and mentally defective & deviant Transvestite lifestyle.. I've no doubt that such is the norm & embraced in InBev's foreign markets -- but not here, not now, not ever... And I agree with you --- once the tip of *** iceberg was spotted, it should have been all-hands on deck -- long before the InBev assholes and their like-minded American counterparts in upper AB management decided to hang such a controversial issue on the Brand, with no **** offramp if **** went sideways... 

      
 

Except, let's not forget that it was A-B executives,Alissa Heinerscheid and Daniel Blake who spearheaded this campaign.  Heinerscheid told Kristin Twinford that her "mandate" when she joined Bud Light was to move away from its "fratty" image and attract young drinkers. One of her key strategies to achieve this was "inclusivity."  Inclusivity is just a woke buzzword for homosexuals, trannies and other sexual deviants.  
 

Skans » 24 May 2023, 1:02 pm » wrote: ↑

24 May 2023, 1:02 pm

Kobia2 » 24 May 2023, 12:45 pm » wrote: ↑

24 May 2023, 12:45 pm

               
                 What has been made clear is there was a serious disconnect between AB and InBev when it came to marketing direction ---- specifically in the US.... American Beer drinkers don't want **** Rainbows on their bottles, or Trannys on the can.. It is a political endorsement of the Homo agenda, and mentally defective & deviant Transvestite lifestyle.. I've no doubt that such is the norm & embraced in InBev's foreign markets -- but not here, not now, not ever... And I agree with you --- once the tip of *** iceberg was spotted, it should have been all-hands on deck -- long before the InBev assholes and their like-minded American counterparts in upper AB management decided to hang such a controversial issue on the Brand, with no **** offramp if **** went sideways... 

      

 

Except, let's not forget that it was A-B executives,Alissa Heinerscheid and Daniel Blake who spearheaded this campaign.  Heinerscheid told Kristin Twinford that her "mandate" when she joined Bud Light was to move away from its "fratty" image and attract young drinkers. One of her key strategies to achieve this was "inclusivity."  Inclusivity is just a woke buzzword for homosexuals, trannies and other sexual deviants.  
 

 

               That's why I said InBev's Like-Minded American counterparts... Alissa Heinerscheid and Daniel Blake were certainly the woke idiots driving the Tranny Train on the Mulvaney disaster, but as a former Sr AB Exec said, it is unfathomable that top Mgt were oblivious to this marketing campaign & strategy... They knew, and approved... I've little doubt people on InBev's end were also aware of the marketing direction, and encouraged it.. The post-Busch family AB senior leadership (including their woke CEO) is as much responsible for this colossal failure as InBev.