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Sumela » 30 May 2023, 1:46 pm » wrote: ↑

30 May 2023, 1:46 pm

Honestly, Im still a bit surprised that

Putin continues fighting these Nazis with kid gloves on.

I'm not surprised in the the least.
Because the truth is prior to the 2014  coup a majority of Ukrainian's took pride in their Russian roots and 80% of Ukrainians spoke Russian on a daily basis. .
While only an estimated 20% of Ukrainian's adhered to a Nazi/Whiite Supremacist Ideology.... The very factions that Obama, Biden and Nuland used to initiate the coup of 2014..
Putin and Russia know that Zelensky at the beginning of this conflict allowed  most pro-western Ukrainian's to leave including men even while stating and enacting  that every able bodied man aged 18 to 60 are forbidden to leave and must fight .or be considered traitors.and imprisoned or executed.
so in essence Putin knows that Zelensky is in essence ethnically and politically cleansing  pro-Russian males by forcing them to fight Russian troops.
So, Putin is only using as much force as is necessary to keep the Ukrainian's at bay without having to kill them all ....










 

Majik » 31 May 2023, 10:55 am » wrote: ↑

31 May 2023, 10:55 am

I'm not surprised in the the least.
Because the truth is prior to the 2014  coup a majority of Ukrainian's took pride in their Russian roots and 80% of Ukrainians spoke Russian on a daily basis. .
While only an estimated 20% of Ukrainian's adhered to a Nazi/Whiite Supremacist Ideology.... The very factions that Obama, Biden and Nuland used to initiate the coup of 2014..
Putin and Russia know that Zelensky at the beginning of this conflict allowed  most pro-western Ukrainian's to leave including men even while stating and enacting  that every able bodied man aged 18 to 60 are forbidden to leave and must fight .or be considered traitors.and imprisoned or executed.
so in essence Putin knows that Zelensky is in essence ethnically and politically cleansing  pro-Russian males by forcing them to fight Russian troops.
So, Putin is only using as much force as is necessary to keep the Ukrainian's at bay without having to kill them all ....

Well, that is an interesting take on the makeup of the Uke military
that I have not heard before.  Sounds reasonable.

The other issue that bothers some is why Russia has not blown the 8-10
bridges over the Dnieper River where Ukes transport men and weaponry
from east to the various front.  Russia has the capability to level the bridges.

Appears the strategy is let Ukes continue to bring *** and materials into death traps.
War of attrition I guess.   Russia seems very patient
 

Sumela » 31 May 2023, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

31 May 2023, 11:03 am

Well, that is an interesting take on the makeup of the Uke military
that I have not heard before.  Sounds reasonable.

The other issue that bothers some is why Russia has not blown the 8-10
bridges over the Dnieper River where Ukes transport men and weaponry
from east to the various front.  Russia has the capability to level the bridges.

Appears the strategy is let Ukes continue to bring *** and materials into death traps.
War of attrition I guess.   Russia seems very patient

Well, why would Zelensky have to enact laws regarding desertion that even the courts cannot overturn?
If there isn't a huge desertion problem among the ranks....
While 25,000 brave Ukrainians signed a petition for him to veto the bill ...which he ignored.

Zelensky signs law increasing consequences for desertion

President Volodymyr Zelensky signed a law on Jan. 24 strengthening the criminal liability of military personnel for desertion or the failure to comply with combat orders.The law creates stricter punishments for disobedience in the military and desertion. It also prohibits Ukrainian courts from reducing or lessening any of the punishments.Sentences and fines for violations have increased, and inspections of servicepeople for intoxication will also be introduced.The law was supported by Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Valerii Zaluzhnyi, who in December called for stricter legal liability for actions such as desertion, leaving a military unit or place of service, and disobedience to combat orders.According to Zaluzhnyi, there were gaps in the previous legislation that only allowed for fines or probationary sentences, which were unfair and contributed to the loss of personnel, territory, and civilians on the front lines.On Dec. 15, a petition was published asking Zelensky to veto the bill, gaining more than the 25,000 signatures necessary for consideration by the president's administration.
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https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-si ... desertion/

 
 

Sumela » 31 May 2023, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

31 May 2023, 11:03 am

Well, that is an interesting take on the makeup of the Uke military
that I have not heard before.  Sounds reasonable.

The other issue that bothers some is why Russia has not blown the 8-10
bridges over the Dnieper River where Ukes transport men and weaponry
from east to the various front.  Russia has the capability to level the bridges.

Appears the strategy is let Ukes continue to bring *** and materials into death traps.
War of attrition I guess.   Russia seems very patient

And as for the bridges ...it seems they already have ....
here is some insight....

The Dnipro River Poses A Large Challenge For The Ukrainian Counter-Offensive


Last week, the Russian military decided to abandon the city of Kherson and retreat to the east bank of the Dnipro River. As part of the operation, they destroyed or damaged every major river crossing including the Antonivsky Bridge, the Darivka Bridge, and the Nova Kakhovka dam. The Russian forces have also established a multi-tier defense on the east banks of the Dnipro River. Although the Russians gave up a strategic city, they have effectively stalled the Ukrainian counter-offensive. For the counter-offensive to continue, the Ukrainian military must now conduct a wet-gap crossing, a difficult military maneuver that involves bridging a river. Indeed, the Russian military lost a full Battalion Tactical Group in a failed wet-gap crossing across the Siverskyi Donets River earlier this year.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/vikrammitt ... 5af95930db

 
 

Citizens are just as responsible as soldiers. They voted the people in. Kill em all.

Majik » 31 May 2023, 11:43 am » wrote: ↑

31 May 2023, 11:43 am

And as for the bridges ...it seems they already have ....
here is some insight....

The Dnipro River Poses A Large Challenge For The Ukrainian Counter-Offensive

Last week, the Russian military decided to abandon the city of Kherson and retreat to the east bank of the Dnipro River. As part of the operation, they destroyed or damaged every major river crossing including the Antonivsky Bridge, the Darivka Bridge, and the Nova Kakhovka dam. The Russian forces have also established a multi-tier defense on the east banks of the Dnipro River. Although the Russians gave up a strategic city, they have effectively stalled the Ukrainian counter-offensive. For the counter-offensive to continue, the Ukrainian military must now conduct a wet-gap crossing, a difficult military maneuver that involves bridging a river. Indeed, the Russian military lost a full Battalion Tactical Group in a failed wet-gap crossing across the Siverskyi Donets River earlier this year.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/vikrammitt ... 5af95930db

Yes, thats south in the Kherson region. 
Those bridges were blown months ago as Russia moved strategically back to the east/south side.

Im talking about the rest of the 500 mile length of the Dnieper River north to the Belarus border. 
There are numerous bridges still operation.
Its how Ukes could continue flooding coffin meat and weapons into Bakhmut and all across the 1,000 front.
 

Ukraine is getting m-60 bridge laying tanks. They will also get a Tank called JAB. This is a bridge layer on an M-1a tank chassis. Engineer heavy equipment will be sent. US stockpiled plenty of bridging equipment for a war in Europe.

johndnorth » 31 May 2023, 2:59 pm » wrote: ↑

31 May 2023, 2:59 pm

Ukraine is getting m-60 bridge laying tanks. They will also get a Tank called JAB. This is a bridge layer on an M-1a tank chassis. Engineer heavy equipment will be sent. US stockpiled plenty of bridging equipment for a war in Europe.

Pin pricks
 

I'd like to see some Russian schools and hospitals get hit.
Grieving Russian mothers would be a wonderful thing.

2 windows blown out is major?

PhiloBeddo » 31 May 2023, 11:48 am » wrote: ↑

31 May 2023, 11:48 am

Citizens are just as responsible as soldiers. They voted the people in. Kill em all.

Elections in Russia are rigged. Anyone with a chance of defeating Putin is arrested and locked up, poisoned or defenestrated.

There are actual rules of war that say that attacking civilians is a war crime.
Babies do not elect politicians, people that vote AGAINST the tyrants are not guilty of him being in power.
You are a MORON, incapable of rational thought.
 

Go get him plugs!

Squatchman » 02 Jun 2023, 1:25 am » wrote: ↑

02 Jun 2023, 1:25 am

I'd like to see some Russian schools and hospitals get hit.
Grieving Russian mothers would be a wonderful thing.

DEAD-KRAINE

is the best Nazi-Kraine            
 

Xavier_Onassis » 02 Jun 2023, 9:04 am » wrote: ↑

02 Jun 2023, 9:04 am

Elections in Russia are rigged. Anyone with a chance of defeating Putin is arrested and locked up, poisoned or defenestrated.

There are actual rules of war that say that attacking civilians is a war crime.
Babies do not elect politicians, people that vote AGAINST the tyrants are not guilty of him being in power.
You are a MORON, incapable of rational thought.

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TRIGGERED. 
Hate for Putin is eating his pedo soul