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PUTIN invaded Ukraine thinking HE would "EXPAND the Empire"... Instead, he's likely to END Russia, AS WE KNOW IT !!
PUTIN invaded Ukraine thinking HE would "EXPAND the Empire"... Instead, he's likely to END Russia, AS WE KNOW IT !!
By ConservativeWave
24 Jun 2023 11:16 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
24 Jun 2023 11:16 am
When Ukraine started their counter-offensive... Russia thought it would be held within the borders of Ukraine... HA!! WHAT a FRIKKIN MISS-CALCULATION !
IN ADDITION to starting probing actions ALL ACROSS the Ukrainian front... the Ukrainian army, using the Russian defectors who have been fighting WITH Ukraine and AGAINST Vladimir Putin for the last year... ATTACKED RUSSIA ITSELF (inside of Russia)... at NUMEROUS places... and received NO RESISTANCE !!
As I predicted MONTHS ago... I KNEW THIS would happen... given HALF a chance to fight back against Putin... I KNEW the Russians WOULD... AND, the Russians ARE fighting back !! The INITIAL Invading Russian-Ukrainian forces have received MORE DEFECTORS (from within Russia)... and have established "beachheads inside of Russia"... the WAGNER Group (and Prigosian) SAW the handwriting on the wall and THEY have switched sides also... and NOW... there is a FULL fledged Civil WAR going on INSIDE of Russia !!
I'll give it a WEEK.... until states like Chechia, Belarus, Georgia, and MANY OTHERS will see the opportunity and ALSO join Ukraine to OVERTHROW Putin and the "Russian Federation"... SOON, Putin will WITHDRAW from ALL of Ukraine JUST to FIGHT for his LIFE... BUT, the handwriting is ALREADY on the wall !!
NEXT Prediction: I'll give it until September... and by THEN... Ukraine will be 100% FREE... Putin will be 100% DEAD, and the Russian Federation WILL BE 100% NO MORE !! The NEXT challenge will be for the EX-Russian Federation states to figure out what their NEXT MOVES will be ?
IN ADDITION to starting probing actions ALL ACROSS the Ukrainian front... the Ukrainian army, using the Russian defectors who have been fighting WITH Ukraine and AGAINST Vladimir Putin for the last year... ATTACKED RUSSIA ITSELF (inside of Russia)... at NUMEROUS places... and received NO RESISTANCE !!
As I predicted MONTHS ago... I KNEW THIS would happen... given HALF a chance to fight back against Putin... I KNEW the Russians WOULD... AND, the Russians ARE fighting back !! The INITIAL Invading Russian-Ukrainian forces have received MORE DEFECTORS (from within Russia)... and have established "beachheads inside of Russia"... the WAGNER Group (and Prigosian) SAW the handwriting on the wall and THEY have switched sides also... and NOW... there is a FULL fledged Civil WAR going on INSIDE of Russia !!
I'll give it a WEEK.... until states like Chechia, Belarus, Georgia, and MANY OTHERS will see the opportunity and ALSO join Ukraine to OVERTHROW Putin and the "Russian Federation"... SOON, Putin will WITHDRAW from ALL of Ukraine JUST to FIGHT for his LIFE... BUT, the handwriting is ALREADY on the wall !!
NEXT Prediction: I'll give it until September... and by THEN... Ukraine will be 100% FREE... Putin will be 100% DEAD, and the Russian Federation WILL BE 100% NO MORE !! The NEXT challenge will be for the EX-Russian Federation states to figure out what their NEXT MOVES will be ?
AMERICA, and AMERICANS, NEED to WAKE up… There is NOTHING “Democratic” about the CURRENT American “Democrat Party”! THEY are more an amalgamation of Totalitarian Marxists, Socialists, Communists, and Globalists… who are BENT on TAKING, and then KEEPING power... & where ultimately the American PEOPLE will have NO SAY AT ALL in how we are GOVERNED... and our "Democracy" will be DEAD!!
24 Jun 2023 11:19 am
24 Jun 2023 11:23 am
IT will ONLY be a matter of DAYS...before Russian Federation states ALL ACROSS Russia will JOIN this fight... and TAKE RUSSIA DOWN !!BuckNaked » 24 Jun 2023, 11:19 am » wrote: ↑ Now the mercenaries are headed for Moscow lol going for the jugular
Putin will go down is Russian History as... Vladimir the IDIOT !!
AMERICA, and AMERICANS, NEED to WAKE up… There is NOTHING “Democratic” about the CURRENT American “Democrat Party”! THEY are more an amalgamation of Totalitarian Marxists, Socialists, Communists, and Globalists… who are BENT on TAKING, and then KEEPING power... & where ultimately the American PEOPLE will have NO SAY AT ALL in how we are GOVERNED... and our "Democracy" will be DEAD!!
24 Jun 2023 11:34 am
24 Jun 2023 11:50 am
I'm not sure I understand your point... this Russian civil war is NOTHING like Mexico... UNLESS Prigosian and the Wagner's somehow take over... but there is ZERO chance of that happening...PhiloBeddo » 24 Jun 2023, 11:34 am » wrote: ↑ People never learn. Same kind of deal in Mexico. Cartels will take over that country.
The Russian people DO NOT want Vladimir Putin 2.0... but that is EXACTLY what would happen with Prigosian. I see Ukraine holding the winning hand here... THEY (and NATO) need to get involved here and: 1) Offer the ALL the people of the Russian Federation... Democracy and Freedom, 2) Help them in restructuring themselves into a Democratic and Free Market alliance, and 3) Keep China OUT of the ENTIRE thing !!
AMERICA, and AMERICANS, NEED to WAKE up… There is NOTHING “Democratic” about the CURRENT American “Democrat Party”! THEY are more an amalgamation of Totalitarian Marxists, Socialists, Communists, and Globalists… who are BENT on TAKING, and then KEEPING power... & where ultimately the American PEOPLE will have NO SAY AT ALL in how we are GOVERNED... and our "Democracy" will be DEAD!!
24 Jun 2023 12:00 pm
For any liberals who are looking, and paying attention...BuckNaked » 24 Jun 2023, 11:19 am » wrote: ↑ Now the mercenaries are headed for Moscow lol going for the jugular
This is what an insurrection looks like.
https://t.me/milinfolive/102663
24 Jun 2023 12:24 pm
24 Jun 2023 12:30 pm
This is serious **** around and find out territory.ConservativeWave » 24 Jun 2023, 11:50 am » wrote: ↑ I'm not sure I understand your point... this Russian civil war is NOTHING like Mexico... UNLESS Prigosian and the Wagner's somehow take over... but there is ZERO chance of that happening...
The Russian people DO NOT want Vladimir Putin 2.0... but that is EXACTLY what would happen with Prigosian. I see Ukraine holding the winning hand here... THEY (and NATO) need to get involved here and: 1) Offer the ALL the people of the Russian Federation... Democracy and Freedom, 2) Help them in restructuring themselves into a Democratic and Free Market alliance, and 3) Keep China OUT of the ENTIRE thing !!
24 Jun 2023 12:31 pm
I'll tell you ONE thing... President Zelenski, and PROBABLY MORE SO the Ukrainian Generals... THEY have EARNED THEIR pay over the last few months...
1. They hyped the CURRENT "Counter Offensive" ever since last years "Fall" successful offensive ended ( 9 Months ago) !
2. During that time they pushed the West (and NATO) for ALL the NEW and Most powerful weapons they could get their hands on !
3. The began the Counter offensive in June with probing actions ALL ACROSS the Ukrainian front with Russia... BUT
4. KNOWING that the Russian people were NOT HAPPY with Putin... they also organized ACTUAL attacks on Russian cities, and Russia land... where Russian defectors under the Ukrainian flag ATTACKED Russia... BUT, they found NO resistance... and many people GREETED them as liberators...
5. THEY established "beachheads" behind the Ukrainian lines (within Russia) and HOPED the Russian people would support them... THEY DID !
6. Prigosian and the Wagner Group SAW what was happening... and Flipped SIDES !!
7. During ALL of this, the Ukrainians just watched and waited.. They NEVER went on an "All Out Offensive"... they just kept the the standard pressure up, and probably HOPED to CREATE a REBELLION of the Russian People, IN RUSSIA... who ONLY needing an EXCUSE !
8. NOW, the Wagner Group is trying to TAKE OVER Russia by attacking Moscow (Note: they are a problem, but for now, JUST let them go)...
9. SOON... the Russian forces in Ukraine will HAVE to be withdrawn FROM Ukraine... in order to FIGHT the "NEW" REVOLUTION in Russia... that Ukraine INSTIGATED... and "Ukraine" WINS their liberation, and WINS BACK their land, WITHOUT a real FIGHT !!
IT'S ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT !!
When THAT is DONE... the REAL question is WHAT will happen NEXT !
1. They hyped the CURRENT "Counter Offensive" ever since last years "Fall" successful offensive ended ( 9 Months ago) !
2. During that time they pushed the West (and NATO) for ALL the NEW and Most powerful weapons they could get their hands on !
3. The began the Counter offensive in June with probing actions ALL ACROSS the Ukrainian front with Russia... BUT
4. KNOWING that the Russian people were NOT HAPPY with Putin... they also organized ACTUAL attacks on Russian cities, and Russia land... where Russian defectors under the Ukrainian flag ATTACKED Russia... BUT, they found NO resistance... and many people GREETED them as liberators...
5. THEY established "beachheads" behind the Ukrainian lines (within Russia) and HOPED the Russian people would support them... THEY DID !
6. Prigosian and the Wagner Group SAW what was happening... and Flipped SIDES !!
7. During ALL of this, the Ukrainians just watched and waited.. They NEVER went on an "All Out Offensive"... they just kept the the standard pressure up, and probably HOPED to CREATE a REBELLION of the Russian People, IN RUSSIA... who ONLY needing an EXCUSE !
8. NOW, the Wagner Group is trying to TAKE OVER Russia by attacking Moscow (Note: they are a problem, but for now, JUST let them go)...
9. SOON... the Russian forces in Ukraine will HAVE to be withdrawn FROM Ukraine... in order to FIGHT the "NEW" REVOLUTION in Russia... that Ukraine INSTIGATED... and "Ukraine" WINS their liberation, and WINS BACK their land, WITHOUT a real FIGHT !!
IT'S ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT !!
When THAT is DONE... the REAL question is WHAT will happen NEXT !
AMERICA, and AMERICANS, NEED to WAKE up… There is NOTHING “Democratic” about the CURRENT American “Democrat Party”! THEY are more an amalgamation of Totalitarian Marxists, Socialists, Communists, and Globalists… who are BENT on TAKING, and then KEEPING power... & where ultimately the American PEOPLE will have NO SAY AT ALL in how we are GOVERNED... and our "Democracy" will be DEAD!!
24 Jun 2023 12:41 pm
"**** around and find out Territory" that Russia and PUTIN STARTED !!
AMERICA, and AMERICANS, NEED to WAKE up… There is NOTHING “Democratic” about the CURRENT American “Democrat Party”! THEY are more an amalgamation of Totalitarian Marxists, Socialists, Communists, and Globalists… who are BENT on TAKING, and then KEEPING power... & where ultimately the American PEOPLE will have NO SAY AT ALL in how we are GOVERNED... and our "Democracy" will be DEAD!!
24 Jun 2023 12:47 pm
NO DOUBT... but I think Ukraine has all but WON this war... ESPECIALLY if States like Belarus, Chechnia, Georgia, and others ALL decide to fight for THEIR freedom also... Russian forces all but HAVE to withdraw from Ukraine... and if that happens... Ukraine WINS !PhiloBeddo » 24 Jun 2023, 12:24 pm » wrote: ↑ Hiring military contractors is like feeding a pit bull, doesn't mean he won't bite you.
Then, the Russian STATES will need to fight for THEIR OWN freedom... and Prigosian CAN NOT be permitted to be the next Putin !! AT THAT point... NATO MUST keep a very close eye on what's going on... and SHOULD get involved as some point !!
AMERICA, and AMERICANS, NEED to WAKE up… There is NOTHING “Democratic” about the CURRENT American “Democrat Party”! THEY are more an amalgamation of Totalitarian Marxists, Socialists, Communists, and Globalists… who are BENT on TAKING, and then KEEPING power... & where ultimately the American PEOPLE will have NO SAY AT ALL in how we are GOVERNED... and our "Democracy" will be DEAD!!
24 Jun 2023 12:58 pm
Is it possible that the Russian Generals could unify together to oust Putin ??ConservativeWave » 24 Jun 2023, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑ I'll tell you ONE thing... President Zelenski and PROBABLY MORE SO... the Ukrainian Generals... THEY earned THEIR pay over the last few months...
1. They hyped the CURRENT "Counter Offensive" ever since last years successful offensive ( 9 Months) !
2. During that time they pushed the West (and NATO) for ALL the NEW and Most powerful weapons they could get their hands on !
3. The began the Counter offensive with probing actions ALL ACROSS the Ukrainian front with Russia... BUT
4. KNOWING that the Russian people were NOT HAPPY with Putin... they also organized ACTUAL attacks on Russian cities, and Russia land... where Russian defectors under the Ukrainian flag ATTACKED Russia... BUT, they found NO resistance... and many people GREETED them as liberators...
5. THEY established "beachheads" behind the Ukrainian lines (within Russia) and HOPED the Russian people would support them !! THEY DID !
6. Prigosian and the Wagner Group SAW what was happening... and Flipped SIDES.. AND
7. During ALL of this, the Ukrainians NEVER went on an all out "Offensive"... they just kept the the standard pressure up, watched and waited, and probably EXPECTED to CREATE a REBELLION of the Russian People... who ONLY needing an EXCUSE !
8. NOW, the Wagner Group is trying to take Russia by attacking Moscow (Note: they are a problem, but for now let them go)...
9. AND SOON... the Russian forces in Ukraine will HAVE to be withdrawn to fight the revolution in Russia... and Ukraine WINS their liberation, and land, by CREATING a revolution in Russia !!
IT'S ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT !!
I don't know, but I hope so. Putin is about 70yrs.-old. He has had his day in the sun.
Maybe it is time to decapitate the head of the snake.......for the good of World Peace.
Maybe the Russian Army, Air Force, & Navy could pull a 'sick-out' with one intention--
to bring this whole shooting match to an end. The generals (in unison) just order
their troops to "Stand Down". Maybe all nuclear nations could unify & put pressure
on Moscow (with words & sanctions) for peace. Bloody wars like this are tooo
expensive on all of us.
24 Jun 2023 1:11 pm
Military strategy--PhiloBeddo » 24 Jun 2023, 12:24 pm » wrote: ↑ Hiring military contractors is like feeding a pit bull, doesn't mean he won't bite you.
1. The U.S. Marines Conquer & take-back Bagram Air Base in Kabul.
It was our # 1 stronghold fortress. Asshole Biden just gave it away.
2. The Marines come home & put the Wagner Mercs. in charge of Bagram.
3. The mercs. will be paid handsomely by.....the United Nations.
4. The mercs. will be just like the French Foreign Legion w/ 1 objective--
"Kill all members of Al-Qaeda, ISIS, & Taliban warlords that they can find".
The Earth needs men like that.
To hold evil in check.
The Wagner boys will work for us.....if we play our cards right.
"War is the nature of the Beast".
Casca,
The Eternal Mercenary.
24 Jun 2023 1:21 pm
Maybe... I think we might be beyond that though... Why? Because RIGHT NOW... you have:Taipan » 24 Jun 2023, 12:58 pm » wrote: ↑ Is it possible that the Russian Generals could unify together to oust Putin ??
I don't know, but I hope so. Putin is about 70yrs.-old. He has had his day in the sun.
Maybe it is time to decapitate the head of the snake.......for the good of World Peace.
Maybe the Russian Army, Air Force, & Navy could pull a 'sick-out' with one intention--
to bring this whole shooting match to an end. The generals (in unison) just order
their troops to "Stand Down". Maybe all nuclear nations could unify & put pressure
on Moscow (with words & sanctions) for peace. Bloody wars like this are tooo
expensive on all of us.
1) Putin and his Loyalists,
2) The Russian Generals and their armies,
3) Prigosian and the Wagner Group.
4) The Ukrainian/Russian Freedom fighters,
5) OTHER Russian Federation nations who might see their opportunity,
6) Ukraine, and
7) The Russian people THEMSELVES...
ALL of them have their OWN wish list of what they want to happen...
Ukraine, of course wants "Ukraine"... and I don't see MANY Russians staying in Ukraine or Crimea after this... Why? Because if they stay... THIS is when the Ukrainian counter offensive REALLY begins !!
The rest are going to pick their sides and there is likely to be a BLOODY fight to see who wins... the BEST that could happen is after Ukraine gets OUT... that there may be a QUICK stalemate... THEN, maybe NATO can get involved and broker a peace... BUT, it will probably be a FRACTURED union of EX-Russian states, NEVER to be unified again...
Just my opinion !
AMERICA, and AMERICANS, NEED to WAKE up… There is NOTHING “Democratic” about the CURRENT American “Democrat Party”! THEY are more an amalgamation of Totalitarian Marxists, Socialists, Communists, and Globalists… who are BENT on TAKING, and then KEEPING power... & where ultimately the American PEOPLE will have NO SAY AT ALL in how we are GOVERNED... and our "Democracy" will be DEAD!!
24 Jun 2023 1:30 pm
And you have strong logical opinions.ConservativeWave » 24 Jun 2023, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑ Maybe... I think we might be beyond that though... Why? Because RIGHT NOW... you have:
1) Putin and his Loyalists,
2) The Russian Generals and their armies,
3) Prigosian and the Wagner Group.
4) The Ukrainian/Russian Freedom fighters,
5) OTHER Russian Federation nations who might see their opportunity,
6) Ukraine, and
7) The Russian people THEMSELVES...
ALL of them have their OWN wish list of what they want to happen...
Ukraine, of course wants "Ukraine"... and I don't see MANY Russians staying in Ukraine or Crimea after this... Why? Because if they stay... THIS is when the Ukrainian counter offensive REALLY begins !!
The rest are going to pick their sides and there is likely to be a BLOODY fight to see who wins... the BEST that could happen is after Ukraine gets OUT... that there may be a QUICK stalemate... THEN, maybe NATO can get involved and broker a peace... BUT, it will probably be a FRACTURED union of EX-Russian states, NEVER to be unified again...
Just my opinion !
Carpe Diem.
Latin for ...."seize the day".
Perhaps there is a multitude on both sides
thinking right now about...... Carpe Diem.
24 Jun 2023 1:48 pm
The Russian people have seen this kind of backstabbing before....and you misjudge their pride they have for their country or how they do not want to lose their Russian Identities or Sovereignty just to become a slave state to NATO and the U.S.ConservativeWave » 24 Jun 2023, 11:16 am » wrote: ↑ When Ukraine started their counter-offensive... Russia thought it would be held within the borders of Ukraine... HA!! WHAT a FRIKKIN MISS-CALCULATION !
IN ADDITION to starting probing actions ALL ACROSS the Ukrainian front... the Ukrainian army, using the Russian defectors who have been fighting WITH Ukraine and AGAINST Vladimir Putin for the last year... ATTACKED RUSSIA ITSELF (inside of Russia)... at NUMEROUS places... and received NO RESISTANCE !!
As I predicted MONTHS ago... I KNEW THIS would happen... given HALF a chance to fight back against Putin... I KNEW the Russians WOULD... AND, the Russians ARE fighting back !! The INITIAL Invading Russian-Ukrainian forces have received MORE DEFECTORS (from within Russia)... and have established "beachheads inside of Russia"... the WAGNER Group (and Prigosian) SAW the handwriting on the wall and THEY have switched sides also... and NOW... there is a FULL fledged Civil WAR going on INSIDE of Russia !!
I'll give it a WEEK.... until states like Chechia, Belarus, Georgia, and MANY OTHERS will see the opportunity and ALSO join Ukraine to OVERTHROW Putin and the "Russian Federation"... SOON, Putin will WITHDRAW from ALL of Ukraine JUST to FIGHT for his LIFE... BUT, the handwriting is ALREADY on the wall !!
NEXT Prediction: I'll give it until September... and by THEN... Ukraine will be 100% FREE... Putin will be 100% DEAD, and the Russian Federation WILL BE 100% NO MORE !! The NEXT challenge will be for the EX-Russian Federation states to figure out what their NEXT MOVES will be ?
You also misjudge Belarus, Chechnya, Georgia etc...and how if they do the things you predict they too will lose the Security and benefits that Russia provides and also their sovereignty .....
and one other thing.....
Putin is the moderate voice that holds back the hardliners whom holds the keys to their nuclear arsenal ...If Moscow is threatened by this attempted insurrection and coup those hardliners will act.
24 Jun 2023 2:17 pm
address is invalidgolfboy » 24 Jun 2023, 12:00 pm » wrote: ↑ For any liberals who are looking, and paying attention...
This is what an insurrection looks like.
https://t.me/milinfolive/102663
24 Jun 2023 2:35 pm
You're talking to NAMBLA ***.Majik » 24 Jun 2023, 1:48 pm » wrote: ↑ The Russian people have seen this kind of backstabbing before....and you misjudge their pride they have for their country or how they do not want to lose their Russian Identities or Sovereignty just to become a slave state to NATO and the U.S.
You also misjudge Belarus, Chechnya, Georgia etc...and how if they do the things you predict they too will lose the Security and benefits that Russia provides and also their sovereignty .....
and one other thing.....
Putin is the moderate voice that holds back the hardliners whom holds the keys to their nuclear arsenal ...If Moscow is threatened by this attempted insurrection and coup those hardliners will act.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
24 Jun 2023 2:39 pm
maybe notConservativeWave » 24 Jun 2023, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑ IT will ONLY be a matter of DAYS...before Russian Federation states ALL ACROSS Russia will JOIN this fight... and TAKE RUSSIA DOWN !!
Putin will go down is Russian History as... Vladimir the IDIOT !!
Belarus: Wagner chief agrees to deescalate Russia mutinyThe office of Belarusian leader Alexander Lukashenko said the Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin has agreed to deescalate his force's mutiny.Lukashenko's office said the president spoke to Prigozhin with the permission of Russian President Vladimir Putin to broker a deal to halt the movement of Wagner's mercenaries across Russia.Belarus said an agreement that guarantees the safety of Wagner fighters is on the table.The announcement was carried on the official Telegram channel of the Belarusian president.Prigozhin quickly confirmed the deal, saying: "We are turning our columns around and going back to field camps." He said he understood the importance of the moment and did not want to "spill Russian blood."
24 Jun 2023 2:46 pm
This thread is a gay blue splooge.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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