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RedheadedStranger » 29 Jun 2023, 6:25 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 6:25 am

We aren't in the cold belt by any stretch so the stove was just more of a stop gap/back up type thing for us personally... plus it has a glass front so it actually doubles as a fireplace as far as aesthetics goes.

It's one of those new EPA regulated secondary burn system set up deals that produces very little smoke at temp and gets the most out of the burn as far as heat transfer to the house. I can load it up with seasoned rounds at around 10pm and have heat all night with a good enough bed of coals to get going right back to speed in the morning.

I'm pretty impressed by the efficiency of the secondary burn setup too. About a dozen regular sized splits and a few rounds will get us through the night and into the AM no problem, with very little tending needed as well.

It will actually run you the hell out of the living room if you get it burning too hot. Out house isn't huge and the size stove we got was a little on the bigger than needed than the not enough range. 

I know a couple folks that do firewood on the side so I gets my stash for the winter delivered and stacked too. All I gotta do is get it in the house after that.

Sounds like a  nice unit...you'll make AOC happy...  

hell, for a few more bucks they'll probably come over and load it for ya as well...lol
 

roadkill » 29 Jun 2023, 6:30 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 6:30 am

No worries...Biden will require that everyone have a wind turbine on the roof. When there's no wind you just jump on a stationary bike and start peddling.  

I bet all the poor people will get this gubment freebie...


 

ROG62 » 29 Jun 2023, 6:37 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 6:37 am

I bet all the poor people will get this gubment freebie...

Sweeet.     

ROG62 » 29 Jun 2023, 6:33 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 6:33 am

Sounds like a  nice unit...you'll make AOC happy...  

hell, for a few more bucks they'll probably come over and load it for ya as well...lol

When I was researching what unit to by to fill our needs, there wasn't a whole lot of fuss over the actual performance of the new units with the secondary burn system, but more that people with the older non compliant systems would eventually be required to update before they needed to

Ours doesn't have the catalytic unit for the secondary burn... just the air tubes and a capture system that returns the initial gasses through a chamber to be burned again.  It only really works as intended above a certain temp range too, so if the fire is too cool, it isn't as efficient.

The ideal scenario is the air intake just barely cracked open feeding a super hot bed of coals with just a glint of fire riding across the top of the chamber where the secondary burn is taking place. The fireplace "blaze" is pretty to look at, but once I get the coals and the air tubes working right, it will stay nice and toasty without having to tend it much for hours. 

 
 

RedheadedStranger » 29 Jun 2023, 6:25 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 6:25 am

We aren't in the cold belt by any stretch so the stove was just more of a stop gap/back up type thing for us personally... plus it has a glass front so it actually doubles as a fireplace as far as aesthetics goes.

It's one of those new EPA regulated secondary burn system set up deals that produces very little smoke at temp and gets the most out of the burn as far as heat transfer to the house. I can load it up with seasoned rounds at around 10pm and have heat all night with a good enough bed of coals to get going right back to speed in the morning.

I'm pretty impressed by the efficiency of the secondary burn setup too. About a dozen regular sized splits and a few rounds will get us through the night and into the AM no problem, with very little tending needed as well.

It will actually run you the hell out of the living room if you get it burning too hot. Out house isn't huge and the size stove we got was a little on the bigger than needed than the not enough range. 

I know a couple folks that do firewood on the side so I gets my stash for the winter delivered and stacked too. All I gotta do is get it in the house after that.

My mother died in 2010 and I took over the farm, which has two rentals each with wood heat plus propane.

There was some kind of $150 tax credit, if I installed an “energy star” rated wood stove.  I bought a couple, and had them installed.

My friends were all afraid Obama was going to outlaw wood stoves, and the usual MAGA drivel they always raise to each advancement in tech, and always will.

The new stoves are infinitely better, indescribably better, than the old kind.  Only a pig headed Republican fool with his nose buried into conspiracy literature would want an old stove for free.

There’s hardly any smoke.  Wood use is a fraction.  Neither renter ever uses two cords a year.

What fascinates me about Republicans is no matter how many times, on how many issues, they wind up wrong, and everything they were told an obvious lie, they’ll line right back up to be lied to again.


 

Bruce » 29 Jun 2023, 7:46 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 7:46 am

My mother died in 2010 and I took over the farm, which has two rentals each with wood heat plus propane.

There was some kind of $150 tax credit, if I installed an “energy star” rated wood stove.  I bought a couple, and had them installed.

My friends were all afraid Obama was going to outlaw wood stoves, and the usual MAGA drivel they always raise to each advancement in tech, and always will.

The new stoves are infinitely better, indescribably better, than the old kind.  Only a pig headed Republican fool with his nose buried into conspiracy literature would want an old stove for free.

There’s hardly any smoke.  Wood use is a fraction.  Neither renter ever uses two cords a year.

What fascinates me about Republicans is no matter how many times, on how many issues, they wind up wrong, and everything they were told an obvious lie, they’ll line right back up to be lied to again.

We had ours installed right after Thanksgiving last year and only went through a rick and a half through the remainder of the season... which is about a half cord if I'm not mistaken.

Granted it isn't our primary or only source of heat, and I would pretty much only do a fire if it were going to dip below freezing for a few nights in a row, but I still think that's pretty decent considering.

Another plus of the new secondary burn requirements on the new stoves is that it reduces the creasote build up dramatically as well, since everything in being burned twice before going up the chimney. They are definitely a solid investment and offer a good piece of mind if your in an area that may deal with inclimate weather and such.

If an ice storm comes through and knocks the power out for several days or longer, heat and cooking won't be an issue.



 

Bruce you're throwing around straw men and/or you just don't understand what it is that people object to.

You buy whatever car (or stove) you want and I'll do the same. Anything else is going to be a problem.

michaelf » 29 Jun 2023, 8:54 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 8:54 am

Bruce you're throwing around straw men and/or you just don't understand what it is that people object to.

I understand that every time, on every issue from light bulbs to wood stoves to propane stoves to electric cars, my Republican friends swallow right wing lies again, and again, and again, and again.

They aren’t that stupid or pig headed in the rest of their lives.

Modem day Republicanism is a bad choice, a moral failing, something kids used to be whipped over.

 Ignorance and fear are not conservative.

Bruce » 29 Jun 2023, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 10:21 am

I understand that every time, on every issue from light bulbs to wood stoves to propane stoves to electric cars, my Republican friends swallow right wing lies again, and again, and again, and again.

They aren’t that stupid or pig headed in the rest of their lives.

Modem day Republicanism is a bad choice, a moral failing, something kids used to be whipped over.

 Ignorance and fear are not conservative.

You're trying way to hard "Bruce".

 
 

Bruce » 29 Jun 2023, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 10:21 am

I understand that every time, on every issue from light bulbs to wood stoves to propane stoves to electric cars, my Republican friends swallow right wing lies again, and again, and again, and again.

They aren’t that stupid or pig headed in the rest of their lives.

Modem day Republicanism is a bad choice, a moral failing, something kids used to be whipped over.

 Ignorance and fear are not conservative.

Seems the courts are clamping down on your pig-headed death hold on affirmative action in colleges. That made me smile. We will prevail against unethical democrats.

Oh, and speaking of those incredibly efficient wood stoves, The Bay Area of California completely banned all wood-burning appliances in 2015 for any newly constructed homes. They may wish to seek your emissions guidance. 

I whole-heartedly advise that you purchase stock in the wood burning stove industry...dummy.    
 
 

DeplorablePatriot » 29 Jun 2023, 10:33 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 10:33 am

Seems the courts are clamping down on your pig-headed death hold on affirmative action in colleges. That made me smile. We will prevail against unethical democrats.

Oh, and speaking of those incredibly efficient wood stoves, The Bay Area of California completely banned all wood-burning appliances in 2015 for any newly constructed homes. They may wish to seek your emissions guidance. 

I whole-heartedly advise that you purchase stock in the wood burning stove industry...dummy.

I’ve never believed in affirmative action.  We are all born the same perfect children of God.

And seriously, what in the hell would anybody with enough loot to build a new home in San Fransisco want with a wood stove?

We burned wood only, to save money on propane.



 

ROG62 » 29 Jun 2023, 6:37 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 6:37 am

I bet all the poor people will get this gubment freebie...

Does it work? i luv my crank radio- it has a great sound. But tons of cranks and it shuts off in a half an hour.
But?
I did see a small generator on a prepper site. You charge it solar- or charge ahead plugging it into the wall. They said it can handle two small devices. thinking laptop.
 dont mind sitting around with no power- but when the beast goes down- I get very upset.
 

Bruce » 29 Jun 2023, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 10:21 am

I understand that every time, on every issue from light bulbs to wood stoves to propane stoves to electric cars, my Republican friends swallow right wing lies again, and again, and again, and again.

They aren’t that stupid or pig headed in the rest of their lives.

Modem day Republicanism is a bad choice, a moral failing, something kids used to be whipped over.

 Ignorance and fear are not conservative.

I guess I've never run into anybody like your republican fiendd. You're painting with a pretty wide brush.

Sorry to laugh but i did.
Nebraska solar panels ruined by one hail storm.  



 

michaelf » 29 Jun 2023, 12:12 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 12:12 pm

I guess I've never run into anybody like your republican fiendd. You're painting with a pretty wide brush.

Not all Republicans are MAGA but they enable the ones that are.

 

sootedupCyndi » 29 Jun 2023, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 12:28 pm

Sorry to laugh but i did.
Nebraska solar panels ruined by one hail storm.  



 

 

Fifty years ago in high school, our teachers were teaching us about solar and wind and nuclear energy.

What blind sided the futurists of 1973 was the Obama administration approving gas fracking that in just a few years made the USA a net exporter of oil and gas, and lowered the cost of natural gas power generation to where coal, is a dead tech walking.

I can remember fifty years ago our teachers expecting solar to be dominant over wind energy.

That photo of those busted panels is one reason solar isn’t winning.  That field also is useless except for power generation.

There were wind turbine farms fifty years ago, that look about like wind farms today.

The do gooders complain they kill birds, which they do, and the right wingers make up all kinds of bull **** about wind turbines causing cancer, which they don’t.

—-In Montana, wind energy is cost-competitive with fossil fuels, especially coal. In fact, wind energy is less much less expensive than coal for customers of NorthWestern Energy – the state’s largest utility.The graph below comes from data from the Montana Public Service Commission and it compares the costs of various resources in NorthWestern’s portfolio. The Judith Gap wind facility is about $32.11 per megawatt-hour (or 3.1 cents per kilowatt-hour) while the coal-fired Colstrip Unit 4 is about $64.55 per megawatt-hour or (6.4 cents per kilowatt hour).
—-
Even those numbers are about ten years out of date.

New build wind plants make juice for two cents an hour.

And before you pity the farmers who endure looking at the wind turbines, they are praying their farm is selected.  They’ll get a royalty check for a thousand a month for each turbine, and still have use of the land.




 

sootedupCyndi » 29 Jun 2023, 11:52 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 11:52 am

Does it work? i luv my crank radio- it has a great sound. But tons of cranks and it shuts off in a half an hour.
But?
I did see a small generator on a prepper site. You charge it solar- or charge ahead plugging it into the wall. They said it can handle two small devices. thinking laptop.
 dont mind sitting around with no power- but when the beast goes down- I get very upset.

That's used on liberals to extract information.   

I was a firm believer in generating power as a kid!  


 


 

Bruce » 29 Jun 2023, 1:10 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 1:10 pm

Fifty years ago in high school, our teachers were teaching us about solar and wind and nuclear energy.

What blind sided the futurists of 1973 was the Obama administration approving gas fracking that in just a few years made the USA a net exporter of oil and gas, and lowered the cost of natural gas power generation to where coal, is a dead tech walking.

I can remember fifty years ago our teachers expecting solar to be dominant over wind energy.

That photo of those busted panels is one reason solar isn’t winning.  That field also is useless except for power generation.

There were wind turbine farms fifty years ago, that look about like wind farms today.

The do gooders complain they kill birds, which they do, and the right wingers make up all kinds of bull **** about wind turbines causing cancer, which they don’t.

—-In Montana, wind energy is cost-competitive with fossil fuels, especially coal. In fact, wind energy is less much less expensive than coal for customers of NorthWestern Energy – the state’s largest utility.The graph below comes from data from the Montana Public Service Commission and it compares the costs of various resources in NorthWestern’s portfolio. The Judith Gap wind facility is about $32.11 per megawatt-hour (or 3.1 cents per kilowatt-hour) while the coal-fired Colstrip Unit 4 is about $64.55 per megawatt-hour or (6.4 cents per kilowatt hour).
—-
Even those numbers are about ten years out of date.

New build wind plants make juice for two cents an hour.

And before you pity the farmers who endure looking at the wind turbines, they are praying their farm is selected.  They’ll get a royalty check for a thousand a month for each turbine, and still have use of the land.

It takes millions of wind turbines... acres- to power my state in one 20 below zero day?  and don't tell ME about wood! You are talking to the wood goddess!
 

Bruce » 29 Jun 2023, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 12:52 pm

Not all Republicans are MAGA but they enable the ones that are.

I and many others I know are definitely "MAGA" but none fit your description. I for example have an engineering background. Do you really think I have something against technology. I love technology. I just hate democrats, especially idiot Joe Biden.

And when I left work today and switched on npr it was more queer ****. It's like they've taken on pushing deviant sex almost full time.