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sootedupCyndi » 28 Jun 2023, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 2:24 pm

They will force YOU! silly. sooner or later!

NAH! Your'e Paranoid!
The marketplace decides these things.
@sooted up Cyndi  
 

ROG62 » 28 Jun 2023, 2:36 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 2:36 pm

NPR is an arm of the DNC...propaganda, nothing else...you sound exactly like my brother....verbatim...that's how brainwashing works...

Just like my liberal old uncle... we must save the planet? Global warming? was his gig... NYT?
All of a sudden- he's freaking out? Coming after his natural gas heat? which is fairly cheap..... oh noo-es....his opinion has  suddenly changed? wtf?      
 

nuckinfutz » 28 Jun 2023, 2:57 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 2:57 pm

NAH! Your'e Paranoid!
The marketplace decides these things.
@sooted up Cyndi  

And the market wants gas not electric.   Yer stuck on stupid futz.   lol

ROG62 » 28 Jun 2023, 2:36 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 2:36 pm

NPR is an arm of the DNC...propaganda, nothing else...you sound exactly like my brother....verbatim...that's how brainwashing works...

Yer right about NPR...they interviewed me once...they suck!

nuckinfutz » 28 Jun 2023, 2:18 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 2:18 pm

There is NO PROBLEM HERE!
Its so simple! If you don't want an EV, then don't buy one!
See how easy that was, folks?

as of yet.. you have a choice. CA supposedly is not going to allow the sale of non-EV's but I am not sure that this will stick. I have thought about getting one but as of yet.. choosing to spend my money on something else
 

roadkill » 28 Jun 2023, 3:04 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 3:04 pm

And the market wants gas not electric.   Yer stuck on stupid futz.   lol

You're WRONG again, ASSHOLE! I am a GAS MAN!
You're GOOFY from breathing your own fumes!
 

roadkill » 28 Jun 2023, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 3:05 pm

Yer right about NPR...they interviewed me once...they suck!

they did? 
 

nuckinfutz » 28 Jun 2023, 3:08 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 3:08 pm

You're WRONG again, ASSHOLE! I am a GAS MAN!
You're GOOFY from breathing your own fumes!

No I am- i grew up as a chubby  *female *version of Bobby on King of the Hill! CARTOON.
we sold propane and accessories. LOL
I was young- and had to take messages- and no one took me serious! LOL
put yer mommy on? 
NO i got it... lol trust me!
 Hello? Al's bottled gas? how can i help you? seriously!
 

Bruce » 28 Jun 2023, 7:45 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 7:45 am

MSNBC is leftist propaganda but NPR over the years, has become truly mainstream.

For example, MSNBC must begin and end all electric car discussions with reduction of carbon emissions and saving the planet.

NPR will report the reason electrics are coming is they cost less and operate on three cents a mile.

What saves Fox is their average mark soon forgets about Fox warnings over LED light bulbs and gets worried about Hunter Biden’s laptop.

 I wonder how many  billions Fox earned from Benghazi?

I never heard/read fox warn about led bulbs.

Npr is around the clock promoting deviant sex and bashing anything "right wing".

Just today I turned it on once and it was an interview with some queer author who writes queer books. The second time was some women who calls herself a man and trains "educators" and writes policy for dealing with "trans" kids in schools.

Yesterday I turned it on for the ride home from work in time to hear some guy who sounded like a valley girl talking about being swept off his feet by a beautiful man. I gagged and turned it off too fast to hear who he was.

The day before was the same sort of stuff but it's my meal time.

sootedupCyndi » 28 Jun 2023, 3:21 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 3:21 pm

they did?

Yep...I was a witness to a crime and NPR interviewed me.  

Bruce » 28 Jun 2023, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 2:52 pm

I don’t think people realize how quickly nobody will want a gasoline car that costs $60 to fill up when they are parked beside an electric that’s cheaper, that only costs $6.

Every place we buy gas will have Class 3 (30 minute) chargers in only a few years.

The range is less, but at least as much in the dead of winter as all the pre 1973 dinosaurs that only had a 200 mile range.  Long range cars, are a fairly recent development.

I turned 16 in 1974.  The price of gas had doubled from 25 cents to 50 cents.

The price of the typical 9 mpg car fell like a stone.

People bought **** little cracker boxes instead.

The new electrics will be very nice, traditional cars.

An electric motor on an axle is many thousands of dollars cheaper to build than a gasoline drivetrain.  The car, remains essentially the same.

And the kids will buy  thousand horsepower electric cars, with multiple motors. We’ll settle for four or five hundred horsepower.

I never knew or thought about an electric car having a 60% efficiency compared to the 20% efficiency of what we drive now.

I knew wind turbines were getting cheaper but could not imagine that today, a new wind turbine installation is the cheapest source of electricity at two cents a kilowatt.

I don’t think I’ll ever buy into man made climate change.

But we’ll all drive electrics if we live ten more years, and because of economics, not to save the planet.

The grid will never handle it....especially as they shut down coal, nuclear and PNG plants...

Germany has already fallen flat on its green face at only EVs garnered 13.5% new sales in 2020 and the gubment already controlling when to charge vehicles and having rolling brown outs...
 

sootedupCyndi » 28 Jun 2023, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 3:01 pm

Just like my liberal old uncle... we must save the planet? Global warming? was his gig... NYT?
All of a sudden- he's freaking out? Coming after his natural gas heat? which is fairly cheap..... oh noo-es....his opinion has  suddenly changed? wtf?    

agreed...I used to listen to NPR when they were centrist...once they started migrating left, I ditched...

ROG62 » 28 Jun 2023, 6:44 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 6:44 pm

The grid will never handle it....especially as they shut down coal, nuclear and PNG plants...

Germany has already fallen flat on its green face at only EVs garnered 13.5% new sales in 2020 and the gubment already controlling when to charge vehicles and having rolling brown outs...

The Europeans have always had higher gas prices than the USA, and as a consequence smaller cars and trucks.  Now they are several years ahead of of us on electrics, because of the three to five times less cost of operation.

Why electrics won’t overload the American grid is because:

1.  They use about one fifth of the energy of gasoline cars, and they’ll typically be plugged in overnight during off peak times.

2. The explosion of cheap wind turbine plants.  Just a decade ago a new wind turbine plant needed ten cents a kilowatt hour to break even.  That cost is down to two cents,  cheaper than coal.  At night when the Natgas plants go offline wind turbines will go online.  There’s going to actually be a surplus of juice, during charging hours.

3. During peak load times you’ll be able to plug in your EV and sell power.  This isn’t impractical.  Come home at 5:30 and plug in your car.  It sells power to the grid for a dime and then later on it charges for a nickel.


But in the end, the vast majority of the gasoline cars sold new this year, in 13 years will have transmission troubles and be scrapped.  By then nearly, if not all new cars will have a plug.  Most five year old cars will be electric as well.

I’ve resisted each and every advancement in gasoline cars since 1974.

And each time, when I got replacement with electronic ignition, fuel injection, and computerized engine controls, I realized what a stubborn cuss I was.

The first time I juice up for three cents a mile, I’ll forget I even doubted electric cars.





 

Bruce » 28 Jun 2023, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 12:57 pm

One of the things I learned early was, there is no “they”.

We make our own choices, not “they” forcing us to do anything.

The hybrid advantage is that when the battery drains there’s a gas motor backup,

A decade ago when EV batteries cost ten times more than today that made sense.

When her hybrid wears out or gets so old or she wants another, the hybrids will be around.

But she’s not likely to want one.

Oh, there definitely is a "they", didn't you see the movie?

 


 

ROG62 » 28 Jun 2023, 6:44 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jun 2023, 6:44 pm

The grid will never handle it....especially as they shut down coal, nuclear and PNG plants...

Germany has already fallen flat on its green face at only EVs garnered 13.5% new sales in 2020 and the gubment already controlling when to charge vehicles and having rolling brown outs...

Even if the grid could handle it...heck our power goes out if it even looks like the weather might turn bad. LOL I spent the day and night before our worst storm last winter getting my gas generator wired up and running. It took plenty of starter fluid and a respectable supply of gasoline. My gas powered car and generator are my fallback for when the power goes out. Just what I need on some windy subzero night...no heat, no power and no way to travel to where there is heat. We'll all be installing wood or coal stoves and stockpiling fuel on site just to survive the winter. LOL

Anyway, even if the grid could handle it, a lot of people with 100 A service to their home (especially those in older homes) are going to have trouble running a charger at home.
 
 

michaelf » 29 Jun 2023, 4:27 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 4:27 am

Even if the grid could handle it...heck our power goes out if it even looks like the weather might turn bad. LOL I spent the day and night before our worst storm last winter getting my gas generator wired up and running. It took plenty of starter fluid and a respectable supply of gasoline. My gas powered car and generator are my fallback for when the power goes out. Just what I need on some windy subzero night...no heat, no power and no way to travel to where there is heat. We'll all be installing wood or coal stoves and stockpiling fuel on site just to survive the winter. LOL

Anyway, even if the grid could handle it, a lot of people with 100 A service to their home (especially those in older homes) are going to have trouble running a charger at home.

We installed a wood stove in the living room last fall that is rated to heat 2500 SQ feet... which is more than our entire house.

Not only will it heat the entire house efficiently, we did a couple pots of soup and some chili on it last winter and it did great. I'm gonna try bacon and eggs this fall as soon as we get cool weather again.

Its nice to be able to keep the house at a comfy 75 degrees when it's well below freezing out without having to run the heat at all.
 

michaelf » 29 Jun 2023, 4:27 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 4:27 am

Even if the grid could handle it...heck our power goes out if it even looks like the weather might turn bad. LOL I spent the day and night before our worst storm last winter getting my gas generator wired up and running. It took plenty of starter fluid and a respectable supply of gasoline. My gas powered car and generator are my fallback for when the power goes out. Just what I need on some windy subzero night...no heat, no power and no way to travel to where there is heat. We'll all be installing wood or coal stoves and stockpiling fuel on site just to survive the winter. LOL

Anyway, even if the grid could handle it, a lot of people with 100 A service to their home (especially those in older homes) are going to have trouble running a charger at home.

Agreed...TX is setting usage records with this heat wave...

i do fire and safety inspections for an insurance underwriter and surprisingly, they're still building new homes with 100 amp service...every time I see one, I think, "really?" I suppose anywhere to save a dime...that's about how much more it would cost for 200 amp service...what people don't understand, you can never have enough capacity...like outlets...

hell, my 200 amp box is full with a few double single slot breakers added in...desperate measures for desperate times...  
 
 

RedheadedStranger » 29 Jun 2023, 4:45 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 4:45 am

We installed a wood stove in the living room last fall that is rated to heat 2500 SQ feet... which is more than our entire house.

Not only will it heat the entire house efficiently, we did a couple pots of soup and some chili on it last winter and it did great. I'm gonna try bacon and eggs this fall as soon as we get cool weather again.

Its nice to be able to keep the house at a comfy 75 degrees when it's well below freezing out without having to run the heat at all.

I love wood heat...good hard work too, handling each piece a minimum of 6 times from forest to firebox...  

used to burn 6 cord every winter...problem is sourcing it close enough to home to make it worthwhile...

a guy down the road who takes our manure burns wood was over last fall and we took down a half dz trees...I asked how much he burns..."12 cord"...   good gawd...that's a lot of lumber...nice thing is with a boiler, 3-4' pieces will fit...just fill 2x per day...

speaking of saving money, a guy at work always said, "I can't wait for winter to start burning just soes I can start saving money!"   
 

ROG62 » 29 Jun 2023, 5:54 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 5:54 am

I love wood heat...good hard work too, handling each piece a minimum of 6 times from forest to firebox...  

used to burn 6 cord every winter...problem is sourcing it close enough to home to make it worthwhile...

a guy down the road who takes our manure burns wood was over last fall and we took down a half dz trees...I asked how much he burns..."12 cord"...   good gawd...that's a lot of lumber...nice thing is with a boiler, 3-4' pieces will fit...just fill 2x per day...

speaking of saving money, a guy at work always said, "I can't wait for winter to start burning just soes I can start saving money!" 

We aren't in the cold belt by any stretch so the stove was just more of a stop gap/back up type thing for us personally... plus it has a glass front so it actually doubles as a fireplace as far as aesthetics goes.

It's one of those new EPA regulated secondary burn system set up deals that produces very little smoke at temp and gets the most out of the burn as far as heat transfer to the house. I can load it up with seasoned rounds at around 10pm and have heat all night with a good enough bed of coals to get going right back to speed in the morning.

I'm pretty impressed by the efficiency of the secondary burn setup too. About a dozen regular sized splits and a few rounds will get us through the night and into the AM no problem, with very little tending needed as well.

It will actually run you the hell out of the living room if you get it burning too hot. Out house isn't huge and the size stove we got was a little on the bigger than needed than the not enough range. 

I know a couple folks that do firewood on the side so I gets my stash for the winter delivered and stacked too. All I gotta do is get it in the house after that. 


 

ROG62 » 29 Jun 2023, 5:38 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2023, 5:38 am

Agreed...TX is setting usage records with this heat wave...

i do fire and safety inspections for an insurance underwriter and surprisingly, they're still building new homes with 100 amp service...every time I see one, I think, "really?" I suppose anywhere to save a dime...that's about how much more it would cost for 200 amp service...what people don't understand, you can never have enough capacity...like outlets...

hell, my 200 amp box is full with a few double single slot breakers added in...desperate measures for desperate times...

No worries...Biden will require that everyone have a wind turbine on the roof. When there's no wind you just jump on a stationary bike and start peddling.