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Paul was a Christian, but he never mentioned a word about the Virgin birth, and he admitted he had no desire for women, and he ran all over the ancient world with young Greek boys half his age.

Our preachers preached from the Gospels.

If they tried preaching what Paul had one of his young Greek boys write to one of those churches, his *** got fired on the spot.

Yes, we all read Paul, as adults when we knew the actual Christ story by heart.

There were kids all over a Christian Church.

And every one had a father that liked women and a mother that liked men.

How do you explain to kids about this jewel from Paul?

25 Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy. 26 Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is. 27 Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

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We encouraged our children to be married.
 
 

Bruce » 03 Jul 2023, 6:04 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2023, 6:04 am

The four gospels hold the best story 99% of Christians really haven’t ever actually read.
 

I didn't read any of your stupid ****, because THIS ^ filled my stupid receptor to capacity, you retard.
 

Bruce » 05 Jul 2023, 12:48 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 12:48 am

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We encouraged our children to be married.

And now, you vote for people who want them gay married. 
 

Cannonpointer » 05 Jul 2023, 12:55 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 12:55 am

I didn't read any of your stupid ****, because THIS ^ filled my stupid receptor to capacity, you retard.

Excuse me for my passion about Jesus Christ.

The Lord blessed me to be raised in a devout Christian home, and all my ancestors before me also followed the Master.

The evangelical is also a Christian.

At least he’s in church.  

Bruce » 04 Jul 2023, 9:10 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2023, 9:10 pm

The strict old time Christian Churches like I belong do not recruit, do not protest, and never preach politics from the pulpit.

But I can’t imagine a MAGA old time Christian.

MAGA preaches the polar opposite of everything Christ preached, every word.  We’d go straight to hell for bring MAGA.

But there is, a growing Christian left:


Democrats like the Rev. Raphael Warnock and Joe Biden—political leaders whose faith isn’t just incidental to their public personas, but is a core component of both their identities and their appeal to voters—are staging important victories. The National Congregations Study, an annual survey of America’s places of worship, found 41 percent of self-identified liberal congregations lobbied or marched about immigration in 2018–19; in 2012, it was only 5 percent. Long locked out of power, a growing religious left is pounding on the door. And it has the potential to remake not only American politics, but the way we think about big questions of fairness, justice and what Americans owe to one another.
 

They always project life through an immortal soul, instead of the mortal sole displaced. The platitude of attitudes calling themselves the chosen people to inherit the earth.

Every spiritual, philosophical reality does it ancient and modern "cultures".

Bruce » 02 Jul 2023, 8:55 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2023, 8:55 pm

Fox News

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Published July 2, 2023 11:42am EDTOne of largest Christian churches in US departs Southern Baptists following vote to ban women from pulpitNorth Carolina-based Elevation Church boasted approximately 26,000 weekly congregants in 2022https://www.foxnews.com/us/one-largest- ... men-pulpit

No better group  of Republican support can be found than white evangelicals, typically voting over 85% for Republicans.

But in recent years as far right ideology takes over in the leadership of major evangelical churches, they shed congregations and membership and influence.

The Republicans are not losing evangelical support, but they are losing numbers of evangelical supporters as those congregations decline.

  And here’s why that matters.

Next year in North Carolina, the largest church there will support women’s rights.

North Carolina is in play, for Democrats in 2024

Do you actually believe this agitprop your handlers are blowing smoke up your *** with???

Tell us how support for MURDERING BABIES squares with the Evangelicals?? Fact is, Southern Baptists ARE NOT considered evangelicals, but the ones even FARTHER RIGHT are. And you can bet that NONE of them are supportive of your LWNJ ideology of LBGTQRSTUV+ alphabet **** either. And that's just scratching the surface of what they had that YOU demand.

You're fantasies are hilariously SIMPLE to dismantle, *******!!

Bruce » 05 Jul 2023, 1:01 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 1:01 am

Excuse me for my passion about Jesus Christ.
 

You mean for ****. 

I called out your **** - not your pretense at faith. 
 

Bruce » 02 Jul 2023, 9:27 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Jul 2023, 9:27 pm

I believe that on April 3, 33 AD that after a trial before the Sanhedrin council in Jerusalem Jesus was condemned to die for heresy and brought before Pilate, as the local council had no power to execute criminals.

And while Pilate found no fault in Him, to placate the howling mob, he ordered a century (100) of his soldiers to execute Him, on Calvary, and on that cross Jesus died, to redeem the entire world.

Every Christian believes as much to be called a Christian.

But Christ was never recorded as saying a single word about gays, or abortion, or any other political issue of His time or ours, and he didn’t forbid women from preaching about Christ.

All the evangelical doctrines about politics, every one, are man made by somebody other than Christ.

What Christ did say, would make the most liberal Democrat look conservative. He was against all violence, even in self defense, and what little he said about the rich was to condemn them, for their greed and worldliness.

The biblical Jesus, was far more “woke” than I’ll ever be.

If His story is true, and I have sure and certain faith it is, then Christ might be riding with Biden again, in 2024.

But Old Scratch, has his own minions working just as hard.

We will see which prevail next year.

Pilate executed Jesus for not denying (when asked directly) he was "King of the Jews"...not claiming to be God.  In Roman occupied territory, the only "king" was Caesar.
 

Cannonpointer » 05 Jul 2023, 1:00 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 1:00 am

And now, you vote for people who want them gay married.

I never have supported gay marriage.

I’ve believed all my life, we are born pure, a blank sheet, and we learn to love, and learn to hate.

But when I got older, and read Paul more thoroughly, there he was able to as a traveling preacher to get any unmarried woman in a slew of churches, and poor Paul did not want any. He had no desire for a woman’s touch, no longing for some one soft to hold.

And his Greek boys were all of age, so he wasn’t a pedophile.  He just preferred men to women.

But counseling against the overwhelming majority of traditional marriages will mean the letters of Paul are only going to be discussed by adult Christians, and never in front of kids, for all time to come. 

Bruce » 05 Jul 2023, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 12:20 pm

Cannonpointer » 05 Jul 2023, 1:00 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 1:00 am

And now, you vote for people who want them gay married.

I never have supported gay marriage.

Cannonpointer » 05 Jul 2023, 1:00 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 1:00 am

And now, YOU VOTE FOR people who want them gay married.

ConsRule » 05 Jul 2023, 11:43 am » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 11:43 am

Pilate executed Jesus for not denying (when asked directly) he was "King of the Jews"...not claiming to be God.  In Roman occupied territory, the only "king" was Caesar.

A question

Jesus and the crowd spoke Aramaic 

Pilate spoke Latin 

The Sanhedrin spoke Hebrew

All accounts of Christ before Pilate were written in Greek.

Who overheard all that?

(Hint, the only source of the Sermon on the Mount)
 

Bruce » 05 Jul 2023, 12:36 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 12:36 pm

A question

Jesus and the crowd spoke Aramaic 

Pilate spoke Latin 

The Sanhedrin spoke Hebrew

All accounts of Christ before Pilate were written in Greek.

Who overheard all that?

(Hint, the only source of the Sermon on the Mount)

Not answering any of your questions until you start giving direct answers to question on a somewhat regular basis.  I just pointed out that your reason of why Pilate executed Jesus was wrong.

ConsRule » 05 Jul 2023, 12:40 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 12:40 pm

Not answering any of your questions until you start giving direct answers to question on a somewhat regular basis.  I just pointed out that your reason of why Pilate executed Jesus was wrong.

There are four accounts, all in Greek, of Christ before Pilate. Which one is definitive?

The old time Christians reconciled them all.  They were all true accounts, from different observers.

But other than Christ, the only possible witness who as a tax collector likely spoke Aramaic, Hebrew and Latin was Matthew.

And then years later told a Greek scribe the story.

The exact Greek words recorded are not essential but the truth is essential,

The truth was, Pilate reluctantly enforced the death penalty the Sanhedrin imposed on Christ.

Pilate ruled Christ had broken no Roman laws.

 Jews then and today still await the Messiah.

The Sanhedrin condemned Christ for heresy.


 

Bruce » 05 Jul 2023, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 12:52 pm

There are four accounts, all in Greek, of Christ before Pilate. Which one is definitive?

The old time Christians reconciled them all.  They were all true accounts, from different observers.

But other than Christ, the only possible witness who as a tax collector likely spoke Aramaic, Hebrew and Latin was Matthew.

And then years later told a Greek scribe the story.

The exact Greek words recorded are not essential but the truth is essential,

The truth was, Pilate reluctantly enforced the death penalty the Sanhedrin imposed on Christ.

Pilate ruled Christ had broken no Roman laws.

 Jews then and today still await the Messiah.

The Sanhedrin condemned Christ for heresy.

Now you're changing your comment.

 

Bruce » 05 Jul 2023, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 12:52 pm

There are four accounts, all in Greek, of Christ before Pilate. Which one is definitive?

The old time Christians reconciled them all.  They were all true accounts, from different observers.

But other than Christ, the only possible witness who as a tax collector likely spoke Aramaic, Hebrew and Latin was Matthew.

And then years later told a Greek scribe the story.

The exact Greek words recorded are not essential but the truth is essential,

The truth was, Pilate reluctantly enforced the death penalty the Sanhedrin imposed on Christ.

Pilate ruled Christ had broken no Roman laws.

The son of God was executed as a sinless sacrifice for atonement for the open rebellion between man and God. His life and death gave us the only avenue to salvation. 
 
 

Neo » 05 Jul 2023, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 12:57 pm

The son of God was executed as a sinless sacrifice for atonement for the open rebellion between man and God. His life and death gave us the only avenue to salvation.

I completely agree.

Christ died on Calvary, so that we might live forevermore.

But wait!

Am I forever saved, because I believe that?

Can I just go out and buddy up with Hunter Biden, and we’ll waltz over to Mari Largo and see if Donald Trump can hook us up with some porn stars?  While we are there we’ll listen to Trump bragging about all his conquests and how rich he is, or at least was.

Or must I walk the straight and narrow way?

"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?' Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers’" (Matthew 7:21-23).
 
Nobody ever had or ever will had more fun at church debating the Gospels, than old time Campbellites (Christian Church members)

https://youtu.be/Z06rscVbi3k



There never was a right or wrong answer, just the hunt for how to follow the Master.




 

Bruce » 05 Jul 2023, 1:39 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 1:39 pm

I completely agree.

Christ died on Calvary, so that we might live forevermore.

But wait!

Am I forever saved, because I believe that?

Can I just go out and buddy up with Hunter Biden, and we’ll waltz over to Mari Largo and see if Donald Trump can hook us up with some porn stars?  While we are there we’ll listen to Trump bragging about all his conquests and how rich he is, or at least was.

Or must I walk the straight and narrow way?

"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?' Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers’" (Matthew 7:21-23).
 
Nobody ever had or ever will had more fun at church debating the Gospels, than old time Campbellites (Christian Church members)

https://youtu.be/Z06rscVbi3k

There never was a right or wrong answer, just the hunt for how to follow the Master.

We are saved by grace not works. Loving Jesus and the father will naturally produce good works. Sucking cocaine off of hookers assholes does not bring glory to the father but does not risk one's salvation. Christ paid that price in full. 
 

Neo » 05 Jul 2023, 2:38 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 2:38 pm

We are saved by grace not works. Loving Jesus and the father will naturally produce good works. Sucking cocaine off of hookers assholes does not bring glory to the father but does not risk one's salvation. Christ paid that price in full.

The Southern Baptist Convention could not exist without the doctrine of eternal salvation in an instant of amazing grace.

That comes from Jesus meeting at night in secret with Nicodemus, a Pharisee.

Nicodemus said to Christ, I’ve been a devout Hebrew all my life, went to Temple, obeyed the law, but how do I get to heaven .

(Many Christians don’t know the Jews had no heaven with streets of gold, or hell with a lake of fire. Those are from Christian theology not Jewish)

And Jesus said 

You must be born again

That passage is where the Baptists get all that born again doctrine.


I think what that means us to shed your past life and begin new under Christian values



And, Paul said a bunch of stuff about Grace, but he didn’t like girls, and counseled against marriage.
If you mixed up the words of Jesus with those of Paul, your mother would slap you, the way I was raised.

We had to walk the straight and narrow.

 

Bruce » 05 Jul 2023, 3:18 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 3:18 pm

The Southern Baptist Convention could not exist without the doctrine of eternal salvation in an instant of amazing grace.

That comes from Jesus meeting at night in secret with Nicodemus, a Pharisee.

Nicodemus said to Christ, I’ve been a devout Hebrew all my life, went to Temple, obeyed the law, but how do I get to heaven .

(Many Christians don’t know the Jews had no heaven with streets of gold, or hell with a lake of fire. Those are from Christian theology not Jewish)

And Jesus said 

You must be born again

That passage is where the Baptists get all that born again doctrine.

I think what that means us to shed your past life and begin new under Christian values

And, Paul said a bunch of stuff about Grace, but he didn’t like girls, and counseled against marriage.
If you mixed up the words of Jesus with those of Paul, your mother would slap you, the way I was raised.

We had to walk the straight and narrow.

Except you let that million dollar MOUTH overload that plug nickel *** of yours.

Jews DO believe in an afterlife and a place they go to. They may NOT call it "heaven" but even Christ never spoke of if in that same vein. MUCH of the translations of the Bible use the word "heaven" to mean what the Jews referred to as other words in Hebrew, not Aramaic or Greek.

Learn something for a change instead of spewing your OBVIOUS hate for Christians of any sort.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_ ... erlife.htm

 

Beekeeper » 05 Jul 2023, 5:30 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Jul 2023, 5:30 pm

Except you let that million dollar MOUTH overload that plug nickel *** of yours.

Jews DO believe in an afterlife and a place they go to. They may NOT call it "heaven" but even Christ never spoke of if in that same vein. MUCH of the translations of the Bible use the word "heaven" to mean what the Jews referred to as other words in Hebrew, not Aramaic or Greek.

Learn something for a change instead of spewing your OBVIOUS hate for Christians of any sort.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_ ... erlife.htm

Yes, there are scattered references to an afterlife in Judaism, but it’s not either going to a Christian heaven or a Christian hell.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/articl ... ter-death/

But Jesus did preach about heaven and hell.  He voluntarily allowed himself to be cruelty tortured, to the death, although he was the Son of God.

Since I was taught to believe in Jesus from birth, am I saved?

What about all those Hindus and Jews and Muslims who don’t believe Jesus was the Messiah?

Will they get roasted?

It’s complicated.  

It’s less complicated to assume two kinds of Christians.

The first kind are those that follow the Master.  We truly believe we are the modern day Disciples of Christ.  We’ve memorized the entire story, before we turned six years old.  We believe it’s true.  If we who know better, reject His teachings and follow Satan we are doomed to hell.

And then there’s everybody else ever born.

If they follow Christ’s one commandment that we love one another, the best they can, they enter heaven.

But if they get started saying right is wrong or wrong is right, or purposely choose the dark path, they will be doomed to hell.