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TGP reported this morning on Pence’s rebuttal to a woman at one of his events that claims he dropped the ball on Jan 6.
 Pence claims that it wasn’t his duty to push back on the obviously fraudulent and corrupt results being reported in multiple swing states.  Many Constitutional scholars believe this is not the case.Then Pence says:

The Constitution is very clear.  My job was to oversee a session of Congress where objections could be heard.  And I made sure that objections could be recognized.  So we would hear whatever evidence or whatever debate there was.  But the Constitution says you open and count the votes.  No more or no less.

The problem with Pence’s statement in addition to his mischaracterization of what he could do on Jan 6 is that HE DID NOT ALLOW WHATEVER EVIDENCE OR DEBATE THERE WAS on the 2020 Election results.As noted in the new Best Seller at Amazon The Steal – Volume III: The Cover-Up, Pence never did allow any information to be presented in the Capitol on Jan 6.

In order to prevent motions challenging the election from being recorded in the Congressional record, the Speaker of the House, the Minority Leaders, and the President of the Congress (VP Pence) could not be present in the Chambers. This would be necessary to allow Speaker Pelosi to suspend Congress unilaterally under emergency rules.The crisis invoked emergency procedures, and Pelosi was able to prevent the delay of certification herself. When Congress returned later that night, Pelosi was in charge, and she initiated the NEW session under special emergency rules. The only purpose of the new session was to expedite the certification of the 2020 Election and dismiss all prior regular session procedural rules. This new session prevented any motions to consider a debate and pause the certification of state vote electors.

Pence left the floor and handed Congress over to Pelosi.  No objections were presented or officially recognized by Pence.

https://joehoft.com/pants-on-fire-pence ... -on-jan-6/

All of you leftists and liberals like @maineman  whom hold false beliefs about the night of Jan.6th are wrong.
Pelosi suspended Democracy that night .....when she invoked emergency procedures.
which was her plan from the beginning ....
 

Majik » 08 Jul 2023, 7:56 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 7:56 am

TGP reported this morning on Pence’s rebuttal to a woman at one of his events that claims he dropped the ball on Jan 6.
 Pence claims that it wasn’t his duty to push back on the obviously fraudulent and corrupt results being reported in multiple swing states.  Many Constitutional scholars believe this is not the case.Then Pence says:

The problem with Pence’s statement in addition to his mischaracterization of what he could do on Jan 6 is that HE DID NOT ALLOW WHATEVER EVIDENCE OR DEBATE THERE WAS on the 2020 Election results.As noted in the new Best Seller at Amazon The Steal – Volume III: The Cover-Up, Pence never did allow any information to be presented in the Capitol on Jan 6.

Pence left the floor and handed Congress over to Pelosi.  No objections were presented or officially recognized by Pence.

https://joehoft.com/pants-on-fire-pence ... -on-jan-6/

All of you leftists and liberals like @maineman  whom hold false beliefs about the night of Jan.6th are wrong.
Pelosi suspended Democracy that night .....when she invoked emergency procedures.
which was her plan from the beginning ....

THe Gateway Pundit????

         

Here is a book by an esteemed author that tells it another way:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/08021 ... 0802159958
 

maineman » 08 Jul 2023, 9:23 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 9:23 am

THe Gateway Pundit????

         

Here is a book by an esteemed author that tells it another way:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/08021 ... 0802159958

Nice try ...
but did Pelosi allow evidence too be presented ?

 

Tucker speaking the truth.....Jan 6

was a fed set up...."""feds were everywhere in the crowd""".

Murica is a banana republic

Majik » 08 Jul 2023, 9:26 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 9:26 am

Nice try ...
but did Pelosi allow evidence too[sic] be presented ?

Was she required to?

Did anyone try and was denied the opportunity?
 

https://ballotpedia.org/Counting_of_ele ... 6-7,_2021)

As president of the Senate, Vice President Mike Pence (R) presided over the proceedings. On January 7, Pence declared former Vice President Joe Biden (D) the winner of the presidential election with 306 electoral votes.

The proceedings were interrupted on January 6 when supporters of President Donald Trump (R) breached the Capitol and the building went into lockdown. After the Capitol was secured, Congress reconvened after 8 p.m. ET to continue with the count.

During the session, one member each from the U.S. House and U.S. Senate could submit a written objection after the body read the vote count from a particular state or the District of Columbia. The two chambers of Congress would separate for debate for up to two hours before voting by a simple majority to concur with or reject the objection.

Members submitted objections for six states. Two objections were formally presented by a Senate and House member:

Arizona: The Senate voted against sustaining the objection to Arizona's electoral votes by a vote of 6-93. The House voted against sustaining this objection by a vote of 121-303.
Pennsylvania: The Senate voted against sustaining the objection to Pennsylvania's electoral votes by a vote of 7-92. The House voted against sustaining the objection by a vote of 138-282.
Four states were counted following incomplete objections presented by a U.S. House member without a U.S. senator:

Georgia
Michigan
Nevada
Wisconsin

maineman » 08 Jul 2023, 9:37 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 9:37 am

Was she required to?

Did anyone try and was denied the opportunity?

Of course she was required to....under normal circumstances .....
but because of the false flag event she orchestrated she had emergency procedural power and did not allow evidence or debate regarding the 2020 election ....
she only allowed their objections which is not the same as allowing evidence to be presented or debated ....
 

Majik » 08 Jul 2023, 10:05 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 10:05 am

Of course she was required to....under normal circumstances .....
but because of the false flag event she orchestrated she had emergency procedural power and did not allow evidence or debate regarding the 2020 election ....
she only allowed their objections which is not the same as allowing evidence to be presented or debated ....

show me the requirement that Pelosi must allow evidence to be presented.  The Constitution requires that she entertains objections, which she did.
 

maineman » 08 Jul 2023, 10:28 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 10:28 am

show me the requirement that Pelosi must allow evidence to be presented.  The Constitution specifically requires that she entertains objections, which she did.

Cite it ....
 

Majik » 08 Jul 2023, 10:33 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 10:33 am

Cite it ....

you first.  You were the guy who claimed she violated the constitution by not allowing evidence.  Hell, she allowed two **** hours of debate.  Gosar had five full minutes to wave whatever evidence he had in front of the cameras

Hard to remember the count on how many

NEOCON **** Trump selected to

surround himself with  
 

And the procedure Pelosi used was not an "emergency"... it is laid out in USC Title 3 § 15 and 17 which she followed.
 
 

maineman » 08 Jul 2023, 10:52 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 10:52 am

And the procedure Pelosi used was not an "emergency"... it is laid out in USC Title 3 § 15 and 17 which she followed.

Cite it....

 

maineman » 08 Jul 2023, 9:23 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 9:23 am

THe Gateway Pundit????

         

Here is a book by an esteemed author that tells it another way:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/08021 ... 0802159958

An "esteemed author" ... z z z 

Some people thought the book really stretches the truth.
Maybe it copy/pastes from MSM too much. Pre-stretched truths.

Majik » 08 Jul 2023, 11:59 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 11:59 am

Cite it....

go **** yourself.  I gave you the relevant sections.

 

maineman » 08 Jul 2023, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 9:42 am

https://ballotpedia.org/Counting_of_ele ... 6-7,_2021)

As president of the Senate, Vice President Mike Pence (R) presided over the proceedings. On January 7, Pence declared former Vice President Joe Biden (D) the winner of the presidential election with 306 electoral votes.

The proceedings were interrupted on January 6 when supporters of President Donald Trump (R) breached the Capitol and the building went into lockdown. After the Capitol was secured, Congress reconvened after 8 p.m. ET to continue with the count.

During the session, one member each from the U.S. House and U.S. Senate could submit a written objection after the body read the vote count from a particular state or the District of Columbia. The two chambers of Congress would separate for debate for up to two hours before voting by a simple majority to concur with or reject the objection.

Members submitted objections for six states. Two objections were formally presented by a Senate and House member:

Arizona: The Senate voted against sustaining the objection to Arizona's electoral votes by a vote of 6-93. The House voted against sustaining this objection by a vote of 121-303.
Pennsylvania: The Senate voted against sustaining the objection to Pennsylvania's electoral votes by a vote of 7-92. The House voted against sustaining the objection by a vote of 138-282.
Four states were counted following incomplete objections presented by a U.S. House member without a U.S. senator:

Georgia
Michigan
Nevada
Wisconsin

Thank you, not that it makes a bit of difference to the MAGA crowd.

Rational people know there wasn’t a thimble full of election fraud in 2020 that in no way, affected the outcome.  In fact, Biden had Arizona and Georgia to spare.

But remember 2000, when 547 votes in Florida elected Bush?  That was truly a squeaker.

In our present times the far right is ALL the problem.  If they win  that’s fair, but if they loose, then the vote was rigged.  Little kids in grade school know better.  The truth is they only want to win, regardless.

But in a generation or two the left might go left wing crazy, and do exactly the same tails I win, heads you cheated sort of nonsense.


 Congress redid the electoral count procedure.

And of course the next time, if anyone tries to storm the Capitol the attackers are going to look like Grant’s army after Cold Harbor.


But there ought to be, a process for objections.


 

Bruce » 08 Jul 2023, 1:57 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 1:57 pm

Thank you, not that it makes a bit of difference to the MAGA crowd.

Rational people know there wasn’t a thimble full of election fraud in 2020 that in no way, affected the outcome.  In fact, Biden had Arizona and Georgia to spare.

But remember 2000, when 547 votes in Florida elected Bush?  That was truly a squeaker.

In our present times the far right is ALL the problem.  If they win  that’s fair, but if they loose, then the vote was rigged.  Little kids in grade school know better.  The truth is they only want to win, regardless.

But in a generation or two the left might go left wing crazy, and do exactly the same tails I win, heads you cheated sort of nonsense.

 Congress redid the electoral count procedure.

And of course the next time, if anyone tries to storm the Capitol the attackers are going to look like Grant’s army after Cold Harbor.

But there ought to be, a process for objections.


 

There IS a process for objections.  There WAS a process for objections.  Objections WERE raised.  There were hours of full-throated debate on those objections into the wee hours of the night, and then, those objections were voted down in both chambers.  And now, two and a half **** YEARS after that all went down, the MAGAts are STILL whining and bitching and moaning.  Their collective diapers need changing yet again!
 

maineman » 08 Jul 2023, 10:28 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 10:28 am

show me the requirement that Pelosi must allow evidence to be presented.  The Constitution requires that she entertains objections, which she did.

Commander,
We were like.......kinda expecting you to fight.......
for the ......"American Team".....Duhhhhh.??

Why are you fighting for the Dems.......who seek to take us down.?          

Sumela » 08 Jul 2023, 10:41 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 10:41 am

Hard to remember the count on how many

NEOCON **** Trump selected to

surround himself with

Trump/Kari Lake.
or,
DeSantis/Noem.

Who do you prefer?
I choose..........DeSanis/Noem.

Get off the fence,...............(****)...........  

maineman » 08 Jul 2023, 2:14 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2023, 2:14 pm

There IS a process for objections.  There WAS a process for objections.  Objections WERE raised.  There were hours of full-throated debate on those objections into the wee hours of the night, and then, those objections were voted down in both chambers.  And now, two and a half **** YEARS after that all went down, the MAGAts are STILL whining and bitching and moaning.  Their collective diapers need changing yet again!

I try and pride myself on keeping up with current events and I didn’t realize that.

And, you had all those lopsided majorities voting the objections down.  The Republicans were, most of them, gritting their teeth and playing honest.

It hurts to loose. Frail human nature wants to deny losing. That is natural.

Some of them were clowns and fools and thought, they’d been cheated.

But some of those bastards, could read. A few, knew better and said that **** anyway.