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Bruce » 12 Jul 2023, 1:55 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 1:55 pm

My pencils all have well used erasers.

Many years ago I was a Republican.

Back then Republicans understood conservatism to mean not risking all we know, on the unknown.

If a national sales tax worked to balance the budget and create a surplus like we had from 1997-2001 I’d love it, we’d all love it.

But who will save us, if it doesn’t?

You might put down the pencil and open a can of accountability. When you're refuted, ACKNOWLEDGE IT, rather than breezing past it. 
 

Cannonpointer » 12 Jul 2023, 2:25 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 2:25 pm

I hear you barking. I see no numbers to back the bark, bug ****.

Let us grant that my utterance was a TAD hyperbolic, in that it was only GENERALLY true. There may be small exceptions. Maybe Indiana didn't shrink or something, and grew by some dismal amount, and has an income tax. Does that negate the fact that states with income taxes are being fled, and those without are being fled to?

If you want to refute ME, you lazy piece of ****, get busy. Get your google-fu on, you **** faced four flushing finger fapper.

LOL!  I know that you are wrong.  I am very familiar with NC, SC and GA.


The population gains for NC, GA and SC have continued into 2022 and 2023.  Georgia's growth rate has actually increased over the last 2 years.  Look at Tennessee, which has no income tax.  It comes in behind NC, GA, SC and Utah, all of which do have state income tax.

Skans » 12 Jul 2023, 2:39 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 2:39 pm

LOL!  I know that you are wrong.  I am very familiar with NC, SC and GA.


The population gains for NC, GA and SC have continued into 2022 and 2023.  Georgia's growth rate has actually increased over the last 2 years.  Look at Tennessee, which has no income tax.  It comes in behind NC, GA, SC and Utah, all of which do have state income tax.

I do not have a chart because I am accessing the raw data but here is some other data to back you up (via QCEW). This is the increase in total number of jobs in a given state. If you want to see it for yourself.. you would go to (https://www.bls.gov/cew/data.htm), click on one screen, statewide (all states), select all 50 states, Total all industries, all establishment sizes (top listing), all employment and then add to selection. 
                                                   2020 to 2022 increase(nominal)     2021 to 2022 increase
Georgia                                                       394,479                               226,500
Idaho                                                             73,203                                30,902  
North Carolina                                             370,514                               184,679
South Carolina                                             153,784                               87,875
Utah                                                              145,849                               66,852

 
 

Skans » 12 Jul 2023, 2:39 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 2:39 pm

LOL!  I know that you are wrong.  I am very familiar with NC, SC and GA.


The population gains for NC, GA and SC have continued into 2022 and 2023.  Georgia's growth rate has actually increased over the last 2 years.  Look at Tennessee, which has no income tax.  It comes in behind NC, GA, SC and Utah, all of which do have state income tax.

I digga prictcha now main.

Was I halfway right?
 

Cannonpointer » 12 Jul 2023, 2:21 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 2:21 pm

You fail to consider that people would receive their entire gross pay. All of it. No taxes. No feeco, fighco, foughco - no soc sec, no NOTHING extracted. SHOW ME the fellow who would not be saving 20%. You also fail to account for the highly stimulative quarterly prebates. 

As to people avoiding taxes, the ENTIRE UNDERGROUND ECONOMY is doing that now. under no theoretical circumstance can the cheating - and there will be cheating - be a fraction of that. Indeed, making the rich pay and making the criminal class pay is what makes the damned thing work. The middle class and the working class will both be paying much, much less in taxes, because the distribution will be made far more equitable. And the poor will be affected not at all - the prebates see to that.

On a certain day everything new for sale in the USA would jump 20% (?) 

Or would you phase it in?

And if no surplus was created, then the national debt would be perpetual.

The ideal is to retire the national debt and build a sovereign wealth fund, like the Scandinavians have.

We sat around the lobby of the dorm and solved all these problems late at night nearly fifty years ago.

The answer was, the tax system we have today is the only world we know, and it’s not that bad.

Let’s not light fuses, shall we?

It might blow the **** up.



 

Cannonpointer » 12 Jul 2023, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 3:01 pm

I digga prictcha now main.

Was I halfway right?

Truth be told, you weren't that far off.  You just tend to state things in absolutes.
 

Where do you think runaway inflation comes from but central authority.
Inflation comes from the people setting the prices on goods and services, dimbulb.

No central authority sets prices.

Xavier_Onassis » 12 Jul 2023, 4:16 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 4:16 pm

Where do you think runaway inflation comes from but central authority.
Inflation comes from the people setting the prices on goods and services, dimbulb.

No central authority sets prices.

Fifty or so years ago, I learned the great exception to the truism that the supply of money equals the worth of the money.

In the late 1800s gold was literally money, all around the world.

And gold discoveries in Colorado and South Africa  more than doubled the above ground gold in the world.

What would happen today if the entire world doubled the fiat currency in about ten years?  

What happened then, is called the Great Deflation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Deflation


Demand creates inflation.

Bruce » 12 Jul 2023, 3:03 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 3:03 pm

On a certain day everything new for sale in the USA would jump 20% (?) 

Or would you phase it in?

And if no surplus was created, then the national debt would be perpetual.

As opposed to what? Getting paid off?

Say more about that. Tell us all how the national debt is NOT perpetual under the failed tax scheme that you defend.

Bruce » 12 Jul 2023, 3:03 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 3:03 pm

The ideal is to retire the national debt and build a sovereign wealth fund, like the Scandinavians have.

We sat around the lobby of the dorm and solved all these problems late at night nearly fifty years ago.

That's great. Share THAT. Actually DEFEND the failing system, rather than merely naysaying potential fixes.

Skans » 12 Jul 2023, 3:09 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 3:09 pm

Truth be told, you weren't that far off.  You just tend to state things in absolutes.

I have never done that in the history of this board. Not once.
 

impartialobserver » 12 Jul 2023, 2:57 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 2:57 pm

I do not have a chart because I am accessing the raw data but here is some other data to back you up (via QCEW). This is the increase in total number of jobs in a given state. If you want to see it for yourself.. you would go to (https://www.bls.gov/cew/data.htm), click on one screen, statewide (all states), select all 50 states, Total all industries, all establishment sizes (top listing), all employment and then add to selection. 
                                                   2020 to 2022 increase(nominal)     2021 to 2022 increase
Georgia                                                       394,479                               226,500
Idaho                                                             73,203                                30,902  
North Carolina                                             370,514                               184,679
South Carolina                                             153,784                               87,875
Utah                                                              145,849                               66,852

I gave a kid $50 to mow my yard, where is he at in your numbers, bean counter?

Xavier_Onassis » 12 Jul 2023, 4:16 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 4:16 pm

Where do you think runaway inflation comes from but central authority.
Inflation comes from the people setting the prices on goods and services, dimbulb.

No central authority sets prices.

Uh, Professor PEDO, INFLATION comes from ONLY ONE SOURCE- TOO MUCH MONEY CHASING TOO FEW GOODS!!

The "central authority"- aka GOVERNMENT- putting MORE MONEY IN CIRCULATION is the ONLY cause for inflation. PERIOD!! And your boy bye-DONE printed BILLIONS, gave it away to people, and the MASSIVE INFLATION STARTED since the SUPPLY could not keep up with the DEMAND due to money being free and easy to get. You CANNOT UNDER ANY CONDITION violate the laws of SUPPLY AND DEMAND in any economy- including THIS one, and NOT get inflation.
 

impartialobserver » 12 Jul 2023, 11:37 am » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 11:37 am

interesting idea. The accounting and logistics would be a mess at first.

Why? Honesty corrects a lot of misdirection done for thousands of years especially when every ancestor has been misdirected since birth from within their own species and their own ancestries first, second, third, fourth generations of each great great grandchild born one at a time now.

God, Satan, country, social consensus, rule of law has worked the same way regardless the societies managing time occupying space now. Academics, arts, economics, politics, religions, common ideologies ancestrally practiced are allies in misleading last generation added as all previously arrived planned out tomorrows when evolving never exceeded being alive here, one at a time, series parallel living in one's own cycle.

That physically created equality thing.

RebelGator » 12 Jul 2023, 5:26 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jul 2023, 5:26 pm

I gave a kid $50 to mow my yard, where is he at in your numbers, bean counter?

You know the answer but on a forum like this, you can play stupid and get away with it.