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Yikes, now thats some honesty. 
 And it will 100% fall squarely on BIDEN REGIME & NATO.

Lord Bebo@MyLordBebo      3m
“We need to understand, that we could disappear. It could be that there will no Ukraine left. The world would cry for 3 days, and then carry on with their business.” — Arestovich, former advisor to the Ukrainian President’s office


 

The world would cry for 3 days, and then carry on with their business

3 days?

Sounds optimistic to me

What’s so wrong with MAGA, is they’d rather surrender to Russia than stand up to Russia.

Tell ‘em Ronnie:

https://youtu.be/iR33JsDL13M
 

Mrkelly » 13 Jul 2023, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2023, 9:35 am

The world would cry for 3 days, and then carry on with their business

3 days?

Sounds optimistic to me

Reality is setting in.
 

Today’s news

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Turmoil continued to engulf the leadership ranks of the Russian military nearly three weeks after a failed mutiny, posing new distractions and risks for Moscow’s forces as they try to fend off a Ukrainian counteroffensive.

The latest sign of disarray emerged with the release late Wednesday night of a four-minute recording in which a top Russian general, fired from his post commanding troops on the critical Zaporizhzhia front, accused the military leadership of inflicting a blow on his forces at a challenging time.

Maj. Gen. Ivan Popov had been commanding Russia’s 58th Combined Arms Army until he was removed in what he described as retribution for voicing the truth about battlefield problems to senior leadership behind closed doors.

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Which side are you on?

1.5 million man military.....

and one guy retires.


COL. Douglas MacGregor - Former Iraq tank commander and advisor to the Pentagon

""Ukraine is dying on the battlefield and in a great exodus of young people
who will never return to a shattered Ukraine.  And all because of the 
arrogance and hubris of Joe Biden who could have avoided this slaughter
by simply agreeing...NATO GOES NO FURTHER EAST.  """



 

Bruce » 13 Jul 2023, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2023, 9:42 am

What’s so wrong with MAGA, is they’d rather surrender to Russia than stand up to Russia.

Tell ‘em Ronnie:

 

 
"MAGA" hasn't forgotten that Ukraine is the most corrupt nation in Europe with literal nazis killing innocent people. When the iron curtain was lifted we promised nato wouldn't expand one inch eastward. I don't like my country to blatantly lie and then call the invasion unprovoked. Ukraine pursuit of nato membership is an understandable red line.

Sumela » 13 Jul 2023, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2023, 10:21 am

1.5 million man military.....

and one guy retires.

COL. Douglas MacGregor - Former Iraq tank commander and advisor to the Pentagon

""Ukraine is dying on the battlefield and in a great exodus of young people
who will never return to a shattered Ukraine.  And all because of the 
arrogance and hubris of Joe Biden who could have avoided this slaughter
by simply agreeing...NATO GOES NO FURTHER EAST.  """

This is the latest in a long series of “retired” Russian generals in Ukraine.

The Russian army is withdrawing from the Zaporizhzhia 
Nuclear Plant.  This last general was in command.

——


The Russian occupation of Zaporizhzhia Oblast is an ongoing military occupationwhich began on 24 February 2022, after Russian forces invaded Ukraine and began capturing the southern portion of Zaporizhzhia Oblast. On 26 February, the city of Berdiansk came under Russian control, followed by the Russian victory at Melitopolon 1 March. Russian forces also laid siege and captured the city of Enerhodar, home to the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, which came under Russian control on 4 March. The capital of Zaporizhzhia Oblast, Zaporizhzhia, has not been taken by the Russian army and remains under Ukrainian control.

—-

This is all in the southern front in Eastern Ukraine.

The prize for Zelenskyy is to recapture all of Crimea, just further south.



Once the zaporizhia oblast is liberated, the Russians loose their land bridge to Crimea.

Like Merle Haggard, he’ll leave Putin an exit, for the running kind, across the Crimea bridge.


https://youtu.be/cEIqQI-sc88
 

HAHAHA....recapture Crimea...    

The UKE counter offensive has
been an utter failure.

EVERYWHERE.  North, east, south

Even US MSM had to admit it.

Poor lil Brucey....he lives in a fantasy world where mommy fists him for comfort
 

Sumela » 13 Jul 2023, 1:39 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2023, 1:39 pm

HAHAHA....recapture Crimea...    

The UKE counter offensive has
been an utter failure.

EVERYWHERE.  North, east, south

Even US MSM had to admit it.

Poor lil Brucey....he lives in a fantasy world where mommy fists him for comfort

FOX NEWS

President Biden’s annoyance with the press manifested itself in sarcastic comments he made to reporters as they were ushered out of a NATO meeting between him and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.During their discussion, both Zelenskyy and Biden discussed Ukraine’s admittance into NATO, with Biden assuring Zelenskyy that his country will eventually be admitted into the alliance of Western powers.Towards the end of the meeting, Biden claimed, "I hope we finally have put to bed the notion about whether or not Ukraine is welcome in NATO. It’s going to happen."
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If Ukraine loses then it becomes part of Russia.

Did you know Goebells ran successful propaganda that Germany won the D day landings? 

https://youtu.be/pLJ-3T7K9rE

 

COL Doug MacGregor...

Ukraine is being slaughtered


https://youtu.be/ZtXpKYJ3tI8
 

Russia controls SIXTY THOUSAND SQUARE MILES of Ukraine.

5 million voted to join Russia.

15 million young people have left Ukraine.

UKRAINE IS DEAD

Weekend in Dead Ukraine

Sumela » 13 Jul 2023, 2:00 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2023, 2:00 pm

COL Doug MacGregor...

Ukraine is being slaughtered

https://youtu.be/ZtXpKYJ3tI8

Col, MacGregor is a paid MAGA shill.

—
After leaving the military in 2004, he became more politically active. In 2020, President Donald Trump proposed Macgregor as ambassador to Germany, but the Senateblocked the nomination. On November 11, 2020, a Pentagon spokesperson announced that Macgregor had been hired to serve as Senior Advisor to the Acting Secretary of Defense, a post he held for less than three months. Trump also controversially appointed him to the board of West Point Academy, his alma mater.[3] He regularly contributes to Fox News and has appeared on the Russian state-funded channel RT.[4] His commentary has been noted for disparaging Ukraine, immigrants and refugees.[5][6][4]
——

All of NATO is sending full on NATO standard munitions and tanks and planes to Ukraine, even NATO 155 cluster munitions.


Every defense plant in all of NATO, every ship yard, every plane manufacturer, is producing three shifts 24/7.

And whose side is MAGA on?

 

Bruce » 13 Jul 2023, 2:15 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2023, 2:15 pm

Col, MacGregor is a paid MAGA shill.

—
After leaving the military in 2004, he became more politically active. In 2020, President Donald Trump proposed Macgregor as ambassador to Germany, but the Senateblocked the nomination. On November 11, 2020, a Pentagon spokesperson announced that Macgregor had been hired to serve as Senior Advisor to the Acting Secretary of Defense, a post he held for less than three months. Trump also controversially appointed him to the board of West Point Academy, his alma mater.[3] He regularly contributes to Fox News and has appeared on the Russian state-funded channel RT.[4] His commentary has been noted for disparaging Ukraine, immigrants and refugees.[5][6][4]
——

All of NATO is sending full on NATO standard munitions and tanks and planes to Ukraine, even NATO 155 cluster munitions.

Every defense plant in all of NATO, every ship yard, every plane manufacturer, is producing three shifts 24/7.

And whose side is MAGA on?

LOL, NATO is sending CB because they are low on regular munitions.

Truth tellers Biden and Kirby both admitted that       and you are calling them liars.  

Poor lil Brucey is wrapped in fake news.
 

Lavrov:

""well thanks, this now frees us up to also use CBs, and we have more of them and more modern CBs""

Sumela » 13 Jul 2023, 2:48 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2023, 2:48 pm

LOL, NATO is sending CB because they are low on regular munitions.

Truth tellers Biden and Kirby both admitted that       and you are calling them liars.  

Poor lil Brucey is wrapped in fake news.

NATO weapons work.

https://asc.army.mil/web/portfolio-item/peo-ammo-lw155/

Cluster munition 155 shells are only used against troops.

It’s sort of like the Allied forces cruising battleships and heavy cruisers off the Normandy coast, shelling German troops miles inland, spotted by recon planes.

15 miles away, the Russians cannot leave cover.


If a drone spots them, there’s a rain of death from an unseen enemy far over the horizon, for any troops in the open.

The only safety lies in retreat.

Then the Ukrainians move the howitzers up.

And it repeats 








 

Bruce » 13 Jul 2023, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2023, 3:20 pm

NATO weapons work.

https://asc.army.mil/web/portfolio-item/peo-ammo-lw155/

Cluster munition 155 shells are only used against troops.

It’s sort of like the Allied forces cruising battleships and heavy cruisers off the Normandy coast, shelling German troops miles inland, spotted by recon planes.

15 miles away, the Russians cannot leave cover.

If a drone spots them, there’s a rain of death from an unseen enemy far over the horizon, for any troops in the open.

The only safety lies in retreat.

Then the Ukrainians move the howitzers up.

And it repeats

HAHA...funny lil guy.

Russia will also start using CBs.

NATO has let Ukies lose 60,000 sq miles of Uke - now thats winning!


And the counter offensive is DEAD  
 

Bruce » 13 Jul 2023, 2:15 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2023, 2:15 pm

Col, MacGregor is a paid MAGA shill.

—
After leaving the military in 2004, he became more politically active. In 2020, President Donald Trump proposed Macgregor as ambassador to Germany, but the Senateblocked the nomination. On November 11, 2020, a Pentagon spokesperson announced that Macgregor had been hired to serve as Senior Advisor to the Acting Secretary of Defense, a post he held for less than three months. Trump also controversially appointed him to the board of West Point Academy, his alma mater.[3] He regularly contributes to Fox News and has appeared on the Russian state-funded channel RT.[4] His commentary has been noted for disparaging Ukraine, immigrants and refugees.[5][6][4]
——

All of NATO is sending full on NATO standard munitions and tanks and planes to Ukraine, even NATO 155 cluster munitions.

Every defense plant in all of NATO, every ship yard, every plane manufacturer, is producing three shifts 24/7.

And whose side is MAGA on?

PAID FRUITCAKE. A DISGRACE TO THE MILITARY
EPISODES OF PROFOUND BLUNDERING, A PERSISTENT MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE NATIONAL INTEREST, AND A DANGEROUS WILLINGNESS TO POLITICIZE THE ARMY OF THE UNITED STATES.
DEFENDED CRT TEACHING TO WEST POINT CADETS


 

righteous » 13 Jul 2023, 4:14 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Jul 2023, 4:14 pm

PAID FRUITCAKE. A DISGRACE TO THE MILITARY
EPISODES OF PROFOUND BLUNDERING, A PERSISTENT MISUNDERSTANDING OF THE NATIONAL INTEREST, AND A DANGEROUS WILLINGNESS TO POLITICIZE THE ARMY OF THE UNITED STATES.
DEFENDED CRT TEACHING TO WEST POINT CADETS