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Will the cumulative weight of indictments sink Trump?
Will the cumulative weight of indictments sink Trump?
By maineman
18 Jul 2023 9:45 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
18 Jul 2023 10:39 am
I asked if you had read it. why dodge answering?ConsRule » 18 Jul 2023, 10:27 am » wrote: ↑ FYI...and indictment is not a conviction. Besides, we are a long way from that trial actually starting.
18 Jul 2023 11:03 am
And I have had about a half dozen people tell me if Trump gets the nomination they will have to vote for him because they will never vote for Biden. Anecdotal evidence goes both ways.maineman » 18 Jul 2023, 10:38 am » wrote: ↑ not with his base. that was never in question.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/ ... -rcna87478
I live in a new condo development for over 55 folks. We are all just moving in and getting to know one another. Without me even asking, three of my immediate neighbors have all told me in he past month that they are republicans who voted for Trump in 2020 and that they won't do so again. Anecdotal, I realize, but it was unexpected.
You asked for opinions. I gave you mine...you're approval of that opinion is not necessary, or even desired.
18 Jul 2023 11:17 am
and thank you for it!ConsRule » 18 Jul 2023, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑ And I have had about a half dozen people tell me if Trump gets the nomination they will have to vote for him because they will never vote for Biden. Anecdotal evidence goes both ways.
You asked for opinions. I gave you mine...you're approval of that opinion is not necessary, or even desired.
18 Jul 2023 11:46 am
You never answer a question.
18 Jul 2023 11:57 am
I have.
Federal prosecutors have nearly 100% conviction rates.
Today Trump faces one federal and one state criminal case and he likely will have another federal case (for sedition) in Washington DC (96% Democrats in jury pool) and Atlanta. There may be more.
Trump is a survivor.
The weight of multiple indictments is like playing Russian roulette with five chambers out of six loaded.
A twice disbarred Arkansas lawyer could arrange for Trump to get a probation deal in all cases,,,,today.
After one drops a conviction, there will be no deals.
Trump will do a Hunter Biden and plead out.
Watch.
18 Jul 2023 12:03 pm
I think your deeply rooted fear of Trump is the whole reason you started this thread, and whether you like my assertation or not, that makes it fair game. Especially when you're so blind and dumb that you refuse to acknowledge how badly corrupted the 2020 election was, now that it's been proven that the FBI and the DOJ illegally colluded to refute clear evidence of how corrupt Biden was.maineman » 18 Jul 2023, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑ we kicked his *** in the last fairly-run election. We will do it again.
And if you don't want to discuss the topic of MY thread, start your own, asshole.
You can delude yourself all you like, but you can't fool anyone claiming you STILL don't believe it, and you're dumber than anyone ever gave you credit for if you're actually being honest about it!
18 Jul 2023 12:07 pm
proven? PROVEN??!!?? by whom? Tucker Carlson. You MAGA morons have not proved a **** thing other than the fact that you're sore losers.Zeets2 » 18 Jul 2023, 12:03 pm » wrote: ↑ I think your deeply rooted fear of Trump is the whole reason you started this thread, and whether you like my assertation or not, that makes it fair game. Especially when you're so blind and dumb that you refuse to acknowledge how badly corrupted the 2020 election was, now that it's been proven that the FBI and the DOJ illegally colluded to refute clear evidence of how corrupt Biden was.
You can delude yourself all you like, but you can't fool anyone claiming you STILL don't believe it, and you're dumber than anyone ever gave you credit for if you're actually being honest about it!
2020 was anomalous, but it wasn't corrupt. We shifted GOTV strategies to maximize mail-in ballots. You were too lazy and did not pivot. Sucks to be you.
18 Jul 2023 12:24 pm
Educate yourself, stupid!maineman » 18 Jul 2023, 12:07 pm » wrote: ↑ proven? PROVEN??!!?? by whom? Tucker Carlson. You MAGA morons have not proved a **** thing other than the fact that you're sore losers.
2020 was anomalous, but it wasn't corrupt. We shifted GOTV strategies to maximize mail-in ballots. You were too lazy and did not pivot. Sucks to be you.
The evidence of their collusion against Trump was proven over a year ago!:
FBI wrongly told its agents Trump-Russia collusion claims had come from DOJ, bombshell document reveals
NY Post By Ben Feuerherd and Mark Moore May 23, 2022
https://nypost.com/2022/05/23/fbi-told- ... ed-lawyer/
The FBI knew RussiaGate was a lie — but hid that truth
By NY Post Editorial Board June 11, 2022
https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/the-fbi-k ... hat-truth/
The DOJ under Barr wrongly withheld parts of a Russia probe memo, a court rules
NPR August 20, 202210:40 AM ET By The Associated Press
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/20/11186251 ... ation-memo
The Unraveling of the Deep State's Coup Against President Trump
Newsweek by JODY HICE , REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN, GEORGIA 5/11/20
For the first time in three long years, the Deep State cabal against President Donald Trump has begun to face a reckoning. Over the last several days, a series of new revelations have confirmed our worst suspicions that a group of career bureaucrats and Obama administration officials brazenly conspired to undermine the president of the United States.
Last Thursday, the House Intelligence Committee finally released thousands of pages of declassified transcripts showing that not a single FBI or intelligence official could offer a shred of evidence that Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign colluded with the Russian government. James Clapper, Obama's director of national intelligence and one of the principal architects of the Russia collusion narrative, said behind closed doors in 2017, "I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting/conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election." Yet, simultaneously, and even years later, Clapper consistently appears on CNN to falsely claim that President Trump was working with the Russians.
https://www.newsweek.com/unraveling-dee ... on-1503187
Justice coming for the ‘Dirty 51’ Hunter Biden laptop liars
NY Post By Miranda Devine May 18, 2022
https://nypost.com/2022/05/18/justice-c ... top-liars/
18 Jul 2023 12:28 pm
maineman » 18 Jul 2023, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑ I am curious as to what the MAGA crowd thinks about the growing list of indictments against their standard bearer.
Alvin Bragg in New York has a 34-count felony indictment. Jack Smith already has a 38-count indictment for Mar-a-Lago document mishandling. He is preparing to come down with a second batch of indictments focusing on the January 6th attempted insurrection. He is also contemplating yet another round of indictments in New Jersey for Bedminster document mishandling. Fani Willis in Georgia is poised to jump in as well. The clown literally could be facing hundreds of felonies within the next few months.
Do you folks think that he can survive this pile-on? I realize that, for the MAGA faithful, the clown could, indeed, shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and you'd never even pause to spit his scrotum out of your collective mouths, but do you really think that the middle of the bell curve - the moderate conservatives not soaked with koolaid, and the independents - will be able to look past his immoral, craven criminality and vote for your guy in 2024? Your loyalty may secure him the nomination, but it may very well doom him... and his leaden coattails may drag the rest of the GOP ticket down as well.
Discuss!
That's the dems' plan with all their hoaxes against Trump.
Their main goal is to keep a cloud over Trump with all their fake charges against him. Yer ideology is a crime and an embarrassment to our country.
18 Jul 2023 12:28 pm
...except your statement was not about Russia. Let me remind you:Zeets2 » 18 Jul 2023, 12:24 pm » wrote: ↑ Educate yourself, stupid!
The evidence of their collusion against Trump was proven over a year ago!:
"It's been proven that the FBI and the DOJ illegally colluded to refute clear evidence of how corrupt Biden was."
Do you drive around with those goalposts in the back of your pickup truck, or do you take them out every once in a while?
18 Jul 2023 12:40 pm
and I am curious... did you even bother to open your third link?Zeets2 » 18 Jul 2023, 12:24 pm » wrote: ↑ Educate yourself, stupid!
The evidence of their collusion against Trump was proven over a year ago!:
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/20/11186251 ... ation-memo
That does nothing to "prove" your case! Quite the opposite, in fact.
18 Jul 2023 12:50 pm
and as a final comment about this link-laden post of yours: NY POST????????Zeets2 » 18 Jul 2023, 12:24 pm » wrote: ↑ Educate yourself, stupid!
The evidence of their collusion against Trump was proven over a year ago!:
NY POST?????????????
18 Jul 2023 1:19 pm
There are three camps of people:
1. Those who watched the Durham testimony and received confirmation about the Russia hoax. This group is going to be highly suspect of litigation on Trump and most likely think it's a political witchhunt...like Russiagate.
2. People who cling to the Russia hoax. This group thinks Trump is a criminal, with or without evidence, and feels any charges are justified if it stops him from being reelected.
3. People who are casual consumers of politics. This group can be swayed one way or the other. They have limited, if any knowledge of FBI corruption, no clear understanding or opinions on the origins of Covid or why Russia is mean to Ukraine.
Group 3 will decide the election.
1. Those who watched the Durham testimony and received confirmation about the Russia hoax. This group is going to be highly suspect of litigation on Trump and most likely think it's a political witchhunt...like Russiagate.
2. People who cling to the Russia hoax. This group thinks Trump is a criminal, with or without evidence, and feels any charges are justified if it stops him from being reelected.
3. People who are casual consumers of politics. This group can be swayed one way or the other. They have limited, if any knowledge of FBI corruption, no clear understanding or opinions on the origins of Covid or why Russia is mean to Ukraine.
Group 3 will decide the election.
18 Jul 2023 1:32 pm
****!maineman » 18 Jul 2023, 12:40 pm » wrote: ↑ and I am curious... did you even bother to open your third link?
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/20/11186251 ... ation-memo
That does nothing to "prove" your case! Quite the opposite, in fact.
THIS was the conclusion of the year's long investigation in that NPR piece, a fact you ignorant liberals simply can't accept:
Simple enough for even a liberal dunce to understand! Except you choose instead to demand something of Barr that was never the intention of the investigation, which was NOT to exonerate anyone, but to PROVE TRUMP DID NOTHING ILLEGAL!Barr has said he looked to that opinion in concluding that Trump did not illegally obstruct the Russia probe, which was an investigation of whether his campaign had colluded with Russia to tip the 2016 election.
So was THAT the conclusion or not, fool?
18 Jul 2023 1:36 pm
Deny it all you like, dickhead!maineman » 18 Jul 2023, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑ ...except your statement was not about Russia. Let me remind you:
"It's been proven that the FBI and the DOJ illegally colluded to refute clear evidence of how corrupt Biden was."
Do you drive around with those goalposts in the back of your pickup truck, or do you take them out every once in a while?
But the facts remain that every investigation has proven that the DOJ and FBI colluded to obstruct the 2020 election through their lies and their manipulation of social media, AND YOU KNOW IT!
18 Jul 2023 2:01 pm
They may well do, but in both cases those felonies are repeating the same felony over and over in order to get to the silly number. The point being, if one instance falls - they pretty much all do. Whether Trump survives the pile on or not is almost a trivial issue. The point for me is, can society survive it? This is not just a pile on, on Trump - it's also a pile-on on 50% of the electorate... while no one will touch the Bidens.. clearly.. Scary timesmaineman » 18 Jul 2023, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑ I am curious as to what the MAGA crowd thinks about the growing list of indictments against their standard bearer.
Alvin Bragg in New York has a 34-count felony indictment. Jack Smith already has a 38-count indictment for Mar-a-Lago document mishandling. He is preparing to come down with a second batch of indictments focusing on the January 6th attempted insurrection. He is also contemplating yet another round of indictments in New Jersey for Bedminster document mishandling. Fani Willis in Georgia is poised to jump in as well. The clown literally could be facing hundreds of felonies within the next few months.
Do you folks think that he can survive this pile-on? I realize that, for the MAGA faithful, the clown could, indeed, shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and you'd never even pause to spit his scrotum out of your collective mouths, but do you really think that the middle of the bell curve - the moderate conservatives not soaked with koolaid, and the independents - will be able to look past his immoral, craven criminality and vote for your guy in 2024? Your loyalty may secure him the nomination, but it may very well doom him... and his leaden coattails may drag the rest of the GOP ticket down as well.
Discuss!
I think also, just about everyone is sick of listening to Biden supporters call Trump immoral craven and criminal, as if that's a genuine reason for Democrats to not vote for him - when clearly they don't give a **** about any of those issues.
No, I'm not raking through history to 'provide links'. If you can't directly dispute a point, then question your own links.
18 Jul 2023 2:07 pm
maineman » 18 Jul 2023, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑ I am curious as to what the MAGA crowd thinks about the growing list of indictments against their standard bearer.
Alvin Bragg in New York has a 34-count felony indictment. Jack Smith already has a 38-count indictment for Mar-a-Lago document mishandling. He is preparing to come down with a second batch of indictments focusing on the January 6th attempted insurrection. He is also contemplating yet another round of indictments in New Jersey for Bedminster document mishandling. Fani Willis in Georgia is poised to jump in as well. The clown literally could be facing hundreds of felonies within the next few months.
Do you folks think that he can survive this pile-on? I realize that, for the MAGA faithful, the clown could, indeed, shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and you'd never even pause to spit his scrotum out of your collective mouths, but do you really think that the middle of the bell curve - the moderate conservatives not soaked with koolaid, and the independents - will be able to look past his immoral, craven criminality and vote for your guy in 2024? Your loyalty may secure him the nomination, but it may very well doom him... and his leaden coattails may drag the rest of the GOP ticket down as well.
Discuss!
it's all fake sit...why think about it....you've been hysterically screaming, "We got him now!" for years
18 Jul 2023 2:25 pm
your math is off. one-third of the electorate did not even bother to vote in 2020... and Biden got 7+M more votes than Trump. That means that less than one third of the electorate voted for Trump. That's a clear minority.JustinSane » 18 Jul 2023, 2:01 pm » wrote: ↑ They may well do, but in both cases those felonies are repeating the same felony over and over in order to get to the silly number. The point being, if one instance falls - they pretty much all do. Whether Trump survives the pile on or not is almost a trivial issue. The point for me is, can society survive it? This is not just a pile on, on Trump - it's also a pile-on on 50% of the electorate... while no one will touch the Bidens.. clearly.. Scary times
I think also, just about everyone is sick of listening to Biden supporters call Trump immoral craven and criminal, as if that's a genuine reason for Democrats to not vote for him - when clearly they don't give a **** about any of those issues.
18 Jul 2023 2:28 pm
Here is what you said:Zeets2 » 18 Jul 2023, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑ Deny it all you like, dickhead!
But the facts remain that every investigation has proven that the DOJ and FBI colluded to obstruct the 2020 election through their lies and their manipulation of social media, AND YOU KNOW IT!
"It's been proven that the FBI and the DOJ illegally colluded to refute clear evidence of how corrupt Biden was."
That's just flat-out incorrect. There is NO proof that happened.
18 Jul 2023 2:29 pm
we got him out of office, didn't we?nefarious101 » 18 Jul 2023, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑ it's all fake sit...why think about it....you've been hysterically screaming, "We got him now!" for years
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