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maineman » 19 Jul 2023, 6:54 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 6:54 am

depends on who will step up if he falls.  DeSantis looks weak.  Who else ya got?  I personally would welcome a sane moderate Republican like Hogan, the former governor from Maryland who might take great strides in bringing us back from MAGA insanity.

I don't think it will matter. If Trump is removed from the running moderates and independents will break for Republicans out of principle. Lock her up was dumb when Trump said it. Still dumb and un-American when democrats legislate a political opponent out of a race. 
 

DeezerShoove » 19 Jul 2023, 7:04 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 7:04 am

I'm here for you, buddy.  
Did it help?

more than you'll ever know!

Neo » 19 Jul 2023, 7:04 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 7:04 am

I don't think it will matter. If Trump is removed from the running moderates and independents will break for Republicans out of principle. Lock her up was dumb when Trump said it. Still dumb and un-American when democrats legislate a political opponent out of a race.

they won't break for a loony, imho.

Bruce » 18 Jul 2023, 5:55 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2023, 5:55 pm

My worry, is in all our history there’s only been one Trump.  He’s 99% carnival barker con man and 1 % criminal.  If we prosecute the only Trump, will that lead someday to a conventional, sane and normal president being prosecuted?

But January 6 was beyond bad.

If we don’t prosecute Trump, in fifty or a hundred years will another attempt be made to end democracy as we know it?

The coup of Russiagate was beyond bad. We didn’t prosecute anyone for the weaponization of government and the attempt to end democracy as we know it. 

Somehow we haven’t slipped completely into banana republic territory but we’re gaining on it. 

America is resilient. 

maineman » 18 Jul 2023, 2:39 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2023, 2:39 pm

the purpose of Mueller's investigation was not to prove that Trump did nothing illegal. The purpose of the investigation was to determine what, if anything, Russia did to interfere with the 2016 election.  Volume One lays out the findings of their investigation into that.  Volume Two lays out their findings as to the Trump campaign's repeated efforts to hamper their investigation.

 

****!
The purpose of the Mueller investigation was NOT simply to find evidence that Russia interfered with the election!  That was known and proven by their purchase of the ads they bought, just as they've done in virtually every prior election!  The whole point of the investigation was to try to prove that Trump had colluded with Russia, and the Steele dossier that the Hillary DNC bought and paid for was defended as accurate by Comey and his band of corrupt FBI heads (which was a complete fabrication), in order to get a FISA warrant approved against Trump!

You leftist idiots can bend over backwards trying to spin the truth and prove otherwise, but you know as well as I do that the ONLY candidate who colluded with Russia was your beloved Hillary, who should be in jail for creating that story in order to hurt Trump, just as the DNC and Biden colluded with social media in their phony claims from their lying scumbag 51 "intelligence agents" who swore that the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation, all the while knowing full well that it was proven to be genuine! 

And you're clearly too dumb to accept that reality!

maineman » 19 Jul 2023, 7:10 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 7:10 am

they won't break for a loony, imho.

Moderates and independents will break republican if they feel democrats used the doj to knock out a rival like we see in banana Republics. 
 

Zeets2 » 19 Jul 2023, 8:13 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 8:13 am

****!
The purpose of the Mueller investigation was NOT simply to find evidence that Russia interfered with the election!  That was known and proven by their purchase of the ads they bought, just as they've done in virtually every prior election!  The whole point of the investigation was to try to prove that Trump had colluded with Russia, and the Steele dossier that the Hillary DNC bought and paid for was defended as accurate by Comey and his band of corrupt FBI heads (which was a complete fabrication), in order to get a FISA warrant approved against Trump.
 

Absolutely right. That's why MSNBC was on suicide watch after Mueller testified. That's why the leftists had nothing to say except "Mueller didn't exonerate Trump." Of course Trump HAS since been exonerated.

Neo » 19 Jul 2023, 8:18 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 8:18 am

Moderates and independents will break republican if they feel democrats used the doj to knock out a rival like we see in banana Republics.

A Republican can absolutely legitimately make the case.

Zeets2 » 19 Jul 2023, 8:13 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 8:13 am

****!
The purpose of the Mueller investigation was NOT simply to find evidence that Russia interfered with the election!  That was known and proven by their purchase of the ads they bought, just as they've done in virtually every prior election!  The whole point of the investigation was to try to prove that Trump had colluded with Russia, and the Steele dossier that the Hillary DNC bought and paid for was defended as accurate by Comey and his band of corrupt FBI heads (which was a complete fabrication), in order to get a FISA warrant approved against Trump!

You leftist idiots can bend over backwards trying to spin the truth and prove otherwise, but you know as well as I do that the ONLY candidate who colluded with Russia was your beloved Hillary, who should be in jail for creating that story in order to hurt Trump, just as the DNC and Biden colluded with social media in their phony claims from their lying scumbag 51 "intelligence agents" who swore that the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation, all the while knowing full well that it was proven to be genuine! 

And you're clearly too dumb to accept that reality!

Read the charging letter from Rosenstein to Mueller.  The word "collusion" is never used once.  Neither is "Steele dossier".  Sorry.

maineman » 19 Jul 2023, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 10:20 am

Read the charging letter from Rosenstein to Mueller.  The word "collusion" is never used once.  Neither is "Steele dossier".  Sorry.

The only thing you need to apologize for is your obvious and intentional ignorance in the matter.
Do you deny that Hillary and the DNC created the Steele dossier in an intentional effort to illegally obtain the Trump FISA warrant?
Do you deny that top FBI agents were fired and an FBI lawyer admitted their guilt in altering documents in order to obstruct justice?
Do you deny that the Biden camp forced over 50 former intelligence agents to lie in their assertation that the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation?
Do you deny that both the DNC and the Hillary campaign were found guilty and fined by Federal Election Regulators for their purposeful lies in buying the Trump dossier and secretly hiding that spending disclosure?

Stop acting so dumb and admit the fact that you support a nest of corruption that's been proven in both the Hillary and the Biden campaigns, because nobody believes your **** any longer!
 

maineman » 18 Jul 2023, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2023, 9:45 am

I am curious as to what the MAGA crowd thinks about the growing list of indictments against their standard bearer.  

Alvin Bragg in New York has a 34-count felony indictment.    Jack Smith already has a 38-count indictment for Mar-a-Lago document mishandling.  He is preparing to come down with a second batch of indictments focusing on the January 6th attempted insurrection.  He is also contemplating yet another round of indictments in New Jersey for Bedminster document mishandling. Fani Willis in Georgia is poised to jump in as well.  The clown literally could be facing hundreds of felonies within the next few months.

Do you folks think that he can survive this pile-on?  I realize that, for the MAGA faithful, the clown could, indeed, shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and you'd never even pause to spit his scrotum out of your collective mouths, but do you really think that the middle of the bell curve - the moderate conservatives not soaked with koolaid, and the independents - will be able to look past his immoral, craven criminality and vote for your guy in 2024?  Your loyalty may secure him the nomination, but it may very well doom him... and his leaden coattails may drag the rest of the GOP ticket down as well.

Discuss!  

well, that's the plan!

maineman » 19 Jul 2023, 6:52 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 6:52 am

You have nothing on Biden except baseless allegations.

I don’t. Many others do. CRT *** Garland won’t see any evidence. It’s all about protecting the crime thug pedophile. 
You're an ignorant Putz, Janitor 
 

maineman » 18 Jul 2023, 8:18 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2023, 8:18 pm

nice dodge.

what does that have to do with the cumulative weight of Trump's nearly 100+ indictments?

Do you even care that your presidential candidate is an indicted felon scores of times over?

Maineman wrote "cumulative weight!"    

Cannonpointer » 18 Jul 2023, 7:52 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2023, 7:52 pm

I think your *** dicker creds are well established, fruitcake.

You don't have to keep hiding behind that poor, frustrated beard.

He uses "man" in his name to counter his geriatric and effeminate nature. **** was a Naval officer, ya know. He was the CO's Charmin dispenser on the good ship lollypop.

Zeets2 » 19 Jul 2023, 10:38 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 10:38 am

The only thing you need to apologize for is your obvious and intentional ignorance in the matter.
1. Do you deny that Hillary and the DNC created the Steele dossier in an intentional effort to illegally obtain the Trump FISA warrant?
2. Do you deny that top FBI agents were fired and an FBI lawyer admitted their guilt in altering documents in order to obstruct justice?
3. Do you deny that the Biden camp forced over 50 former intelligence agents to lie in their assertation that the Hunter laptop was Russian disinformation?
4. Do you deny that both the DNC and the Hillary campaign were found guilty and fined by Federal Election Regulators for their purposeful lies in buying the Trump dossier and secretly hiding that spending disclosure?

Stop acting so dumb and admit the fact that you support a nest of corruption that's been proven in both the Hillary and the Biden campaigns, because nobody believes your **** any longer!

1.  The Steele document was not created for the purpose of obtaining a FISA warrant.  It was opposition research and much of it is either accurate or not proven to be inaccurate.
2.  Kevin Clinesmith, an FBI attorney, was the only person charged in Durham's lengthy investigation.  He added the words "not a source" to one email.  He pled guilty to one count of making a false statement within both the jurisdiction of the executive branch and judicial branch of the U.S. government and received twelve months probation and 400 hours of community service for that heinous crime.
3. None of the 51 former intelligence officials lied about the Hunter laptop, they merely expressed an opinion in a letter,  and none of them did so because Joe Biden FORCED them to.  They said simply that the Laptop could be part of a Russian campaign aimed at influencing the election, though they emphasized that they had no knowledge that was true.
4.  Federal Election Regulators do not determine guilt or innocence.  The FEC did fine the DNC and the Clinton campaign $100K (pocket change) for mischaracterizing a payment to Perkins Coie as being for legal expenses that was actually for funding opposition research by Fusion GPS.
 

maineman » 18 Jul 2023, 3:30 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2023, 3:30 pm

Anachronistic???

Did someone just teach you that word?  

What prior period in history are my statistics about the number of people who voted in the 2020 election FROM if not the present?

Yes - someone taught me that word. Your stats are from 2020 - QED, they are not current and there's no reason for anyone to give a **** about them. Trump's popularity rating has gone up considerably since then - mostly because you *** Dems are clearly leading the US in to hell - deliberately. And secondly because the focused lawfare against Trump is obvious

 
 

maineman » 19 Jul 2023, 11:05 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 11:05 am

1.  The Steele document was not created for the purpose of obtaining a FISA warrant.  It was opposition research and much of it is either accurate or not proven to be inaccurate.
2.  Kevin Clinesmith, an FBI attorney, was the only person charged in Durham's lengthy investigation.  He added the words "not a source" to one email.  He pled guilty to one count of making a false statement within both the jurisdiction of the executive branch and judicial branch of the U.S. government and received twelve months probation and 400 hours of community service for that heinous crime.
3. None of the 51 former intelligence officials lied about the Hunter laptop, they merely expressed an opinion in a letter,  and none of them did so because Joe Biden FORCED them to.  They said simply that the Laptop could be part of a Russian campaign aimed at influencing the election, though they emphasized that they had no knowledge that was true.
4.  Federal Election Regulators do not determine guilt or innocence.  The FEC did fine the DNC and the Clinton campaign $100K (pocket change) for mischaracterizing a payment to Perkins Coie as being for legal expenses that was actually for funding opposition research by Fusion GPS.

Yeah, that's it!  Keep trying to spin your left-wing lies and **** that nobody with a brain could possibly swallow any longer!  There was NOTHING proven to be "accurate" in the Steele dossier, WHICH WAS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY HILLARY TO SMEAR DIRT ON TRUMP!
And your lying scumbag 51 former intelligence agents DID NOT EVEN SEE THE EVIDENCE on the Hunter laptop before providing their lies for Biden to use when the subject came up during the presidential debate!  And they're now being dragged into court to defend their proven lies!

You've clearly proven what a gullible and partisan liberal moron you are to STILL believe and support such a corrupt and incompetent Biden for the sole purpose of denying how dumb you were to vote for crooks like him as you did!  Idiots like you are to blame for the mess your scumbag president has made of this country, all because the leftist media you so love to believe are all in bed with Biden and his entire corrupt administration!
 

Zeets2 » 19 Jul 2023, 11:39 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 11:39 am

Yeah, that's it!  Keep trying to spin your left-wing lies and **** that nobody with a brain could possibly swallow any longer!  There was NOTHING proven to be "accurate" in the Steele dossier, WHICH WAS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY HILLARY TO SMEAR DIRT ON TRUMP!
And your lying scumbag 51 former intelligence agents DID NOT EVEN SEE THE EVIDENCE on the Hunter laptop before providing their lies for Biden to use when the subject came up during the presidential debate!  And they're now being dragged into court to defend their proven lies!

You've clearly proven what a gullible and partisan liberal moron you are to STILL believe and support such a corrupt and incompetent Biden for the sole purpose of denying how dumb you were to vote for crooks like him as you did!  Idiots like you are to blame for the mess your scumbag president has made of this country, all because the leftist media you so love to believe are all in bed with Biden and his entire corrupt administration!

my four statements above are absolutely factual.

I would disagree with your assessment of the current state of America and I would further state that, IMHO, America is a more respected country around the world than it was four years ago.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... rated.html
 

maineman » 19 Jul 2023, 11:56 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 11:56 am

I would disagree with your assessment of the current state of America and I would further state that, IMHO, America is a more respected country around the world than it was four years ago.

And that statement alone proves how ignorant you truly are, while remaining such a gullible pawn of the liberal media!

World Leaders Laugh as Biden's Forgetfulness Embarrasses US on International Stage 
Western Journal By C. Douglas Golden  June 14, 2021

 

Biden Has Tanked a Crucial US Partnership – World Leader Now Mocks Him and Questions His Mental Fitness: Report
 By George Upper, Western Journal October 25, 2022 at 12:01pm
Former President Donald Trump apparently has one more fan than we knew about: Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.Sources inside the Saudi government told The Wall Street Journal that Prince Mohammed “much preferred” the former president over the current occupant of the Oval Office.

 

Biden’s gaffe at G-7 summit sparks laughter from world leadersNY Post By Bruce Golding June 14, 2021

 

53% Think World Leaders See Biden as Weaker Than Trump
Rasmussen Reports Wednesday, May 18, 2022 Voters don’t see President Joe Biden as having good relationships with most world leaders, and more than half believe those world leaders view him as weaker than his predecessor.

 

China’s Communist leaders mock Biden Democracy Summit
NY Post By Jon Levine December 4, 2021

 

Joe Biden mercilessly mocked on Australian TV as host’s impression causes panel to cheer
AN AUSTRALIAN television presenter caused his fellow hosts to cheer and roar with laughter as he performed his scathing impression of US President Joe Biden.UK Express By KYLE FARRELL Mon, Oct 25, 2021

Are those enough to get through your thick liberal head that you're nothing but a gullible pawn carrying the water for the hopelessly incompetent buffoon you were stupid enough to vote for?  Because there are PLENTY more!