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Fuelman » 19 Jul 2023, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 9:47 am

Utter B.S.. For a group the worships money, they do a pretty crappy job at actually obtaining that money, that would include liberals also. The bar has been set pretty low, a household with $500k in retirement accounts makes it into the top 10%.

There is only one group that puts a lot of focus on "other people's money". Republicans on the other hand are just trying to hang onto what they earn so they push back on policy's that would pinch them personally.

Is that ALL republicans do?

Or do they slavishly defend the indefensible rigged game resulting in satanic agglomeration of wealth - by uttering retarded tautological bromides about how a trillionaire CLEARLY "earned" his wealth by "contributing that much worth in exchange"?

Let's take Musk, since he is in favor with republicans (at the moment). Do you know how much money he has earned that did NOT come from the government - from the very establishment that most of you believe him to be eye gouging and opposing?
 
 

Bruce » 19 Jul 2023, 9:06 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 9:06 am

Our Blessed Savior who was tortured to death on Calvary was recorded as saying something in Aramaic about how greed, avarice, selfishness, or covetness was the root of all evil.

There was also recorded the passage it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter heaven. Care to get into a discussion of the multiple ways the referenced comment is completely misunderstood?

What is causing the moral decay in the Republican Party today in America is they nearly all claim to be devout Christians, but hardly any fear themselves actually burning in hell. You have no clue what they fear.  This comment on nothing more than you speaking out your ***.

Hell is for groomers, liberals, and pedophiles and Democrats, which are nearly all the same low IQ trash anyway.

When I was a Republican we were scared of going to hell, ourselves, if we didn’t walk the straight and narrow path that leads home.

One of the reasons I became a Democrat, was fear of hell. If you joined any political party to avoid going to hell, you clearly have no grasp on how to avoid doing so and are most likely doomed to going there.

How could any Republican sing this very old song, I learned as a child?

https://youtu.be/wf4pkPDmCgg

There’s not one thing wrong with Republicans today a good dose of the Sermon on the Mount can’t repair.
 

Liberals constantly whine that the US is not a Christian nation...and at the same time criticize Christians for not voting, and legislating, their Christian values.  If you cannot pick the way you want things to be (and stick with the decision), you are doing nothing more than whining and spouting partisan talking points.

 

Cannonpointer » 19 Jul 2023, 11:06 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 11:06 am

Fuelman » 19 Jul 2023, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 9:47 am

Utter B.S.. For a group the worships money, they do a pretty crappy job at actually obtaining that money, that would include liberals also. The bar has been set pretty low, a household with $500k in retirement accounts makes it into the top 10%.

There is only one group that puts a lot of focus on "other people's money". Republicans on the other hand are just trying to hang onto what they earn so they push back on policy's that would pinch them personally.

Is that ALL republicans do?

Or do they slavishly defend the indefensible rigged game resulting in satanic agglomeration of wealth - by uttering retarded tautological bromides about how a trillionaire CLEARLY "earned" his wealth by "contributing that much worth in exchange"?

Let's take Musk, since he is in favor with republicans (at the moment). Do you know how much money he has earned that did NOT come from the government - from the very establishment that most of you believe him to be eye gouging and opposing?
 
 

 

Sup effer?
You are the last person I would have chosen to have a victim mentality. Life is not fair and those who try to make it so, may as well bark at the moon!

Some of us could care less about Musk's money. If he didn't have it, someone else would and bottom line, it wouldn't put a nickel in your pocket.

 

Fuelman » 19 Jul 2023, 11:39 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 11:39 am

Sup effer?
You are the last person I would have chosen to have a victim mentality. Life is not fair and those who try to make it so, may as well bark at the moon!

Some of us could care less about Musk's money. If he didn't have it, someone else would and bottom line, it wouldn't put a nickel in your pocket.

He got it from your government. All of it. 

It was all green scam.

At a previous point in our interactions, you were AGAINST socialism.
 
 

mass industrialization irrevocably altered the fabric of the world we live in. A huge apsect of the american civil war was the south basically refusing to follow the north into the industrial age...but even if the south had won the war it would at best delay the inevitable.

i believe the NSDAP discovered the correct way to adjust the responsiiblities of the state to account for industrialization...here is point 7-17 of the NSDAP party platform:

7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to nourish the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) must be excluded from the Reich.

8. All immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914, be required immediately to leave the Reich.

9. All citizens of the state shall be equal as regards rights and obligations.

10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work mentally or physically. The activity of individual may not clash with the interests of the whole, but must proceed within the framework of the whole for the benefit for the general good. We demand therefore:

11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.

12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice of life and property that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment due to a war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. Therefore, we demand ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand nationalization of all businesses which have been up to the present formed into companies (trusts).

14. We demand that the profits from wholesale trade shall be shared out.

15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.


with such policies, Germany quickly rose to the country with the highest GDP on earth, skyrocketing over the USA and the British empire. The average German easily had the highest quality of life of all people on earth.

but plutocrats living in other countries were terrified by the success of Germany...because their own wealth and lifestyle depended on maintaining things like debt slavery. so they bribed the politicians of their country to go to war with Germany and destroy the NSDAP system, and then they made up absurd stories of atrocities so that nobody would bother to investigate whether the NSDAP system was a success.

LowIQTrash » 19 Jul 2023, 2:43 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 2:43 am

“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.”

Conservatives love to talk about how our society is collapsing. I have seen them blame (some mixture of) the following:

- Porn
- Teacher's Unions
- Democrats
- Soros DAs
- Youth not getting married (between 18-25)
- Video games
- Participation trophies
- RINOs
- Drag queens
- LGB groups
- Marxists/"Cultural Marxists"
- Child predators
- Illegal immigration
- Men competing against womyn
- Divorced/single parent families
- Lowering of standards in education and employment

 

I'm not a conservative but that list is absolutely correct when it comes to the "Root Of All American Evil"....Progressivism is a mental illness or an excuse to mainstream the worst our society has to offer....Progressivism is comprised of degenerates, ***, trans-sexuals and ALL Progressives in both Democrat and Rino either support or engage in Pedophilia.

of these policies, i believe by far the MOST important was point 11. That has the greatest impact on the economy of the state.

the ultra rich in this country to NOT make their money from their paycheck. They make money by manipulating digits in some computer in a bank or at wall street. Insider trading, vulture capitalism, etc. This is associated with ZERO production. And the environment thus creates therefore exploits all of the people who have an 'honest pay for honest work' attitude.

'honest pay for honest work' is actually a splendid ideal, but it requires that EVERYONE follow it (even mark zuckerberg).


NSDAP germany did not have any kind of wall street. instead, all of the wealth that wall street currently has (with zero production) was distributed in a fair manner among the people whose labor did in fact produce tangible things. In a national socailist economy, all the smug big brains that work at wall street would be required to find a new job...a job where they are actually useful

Cannonpointer » 19 Jul 2023, 11:43 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 11:43 am

Fuelman » 19 Jul 2023, 11:39 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 11:39 am

Sup effer?
You are the last person I would have chosen to have a victim mentality. Life is not fair and those who try to make it so, may as well bark at the moon!

Some of us could care less about Musk's money. If he didn't have it, someone else would and bottom line, it wouldn't put a nickel in your pocket.

He got it from your government. All of it. 

It was all green scam.

At a previous point in our interactions, you were AGAINST socialism.
 
 

 

Born in South Africa in 1971, Musk moved to the US at the age of 17 to attend college, gaining degrees in physics and economics. He soon founded his first company, Zip2 — an online business directory service. This venture quickly made Musk very wealthy and he sold the business to Compaq for around $300m in 1999.May 26, 2023

Facts suck!
Or if you make any money on the internet, government is the one paying you? Interesting position.

As a working person, yes, I pushed back on policy that dug into my bottom line. You may be surprised things have changed a bit. The struggle to be financially independent 
Is real for everyone, most don't reach that point.

We have all heard the statement, "wealthy enough to be liberal", it's a thing! I retired a few years ago, my earning days are over and at this point do have some concern or at least empathy for the struggle to have some security in retirement.
 

LowIQTrash » 19 Jul 2023, 2:43 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 2:43 am

“For the love of money

Hey, buddy, it's a rule that if you are going to discuss monetary matters, you need to reward Skans by giving him a Stock Tip. 

Cannonpointer » 19 Jul 2023, 11:06 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 11:06 am

Is that ALL republicans do?

Or do they slavishly defend the indefensible rigged game resulting in satanic agglomeration of wealth - by uttering retarded tautological bromides about how a trillionaire CLEARLY "earned" his wealth by "contributing that much worth in exchange"?

Let's take Musk, since he is in favor with republicans (at the moment). Do you know how much money he has earned that did NOT come from the government - from the very establishment that most of you believe him to be eye gouging and opposing?

Wait !!
You didn't mention anything about your lust for my masculine genitalia !!
You little, prison-bitch !!

     

https://youtu.be/qxZInIyOBXk

Skans » 19 Jul 2023, 2:08 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 2:08 pm

Hey, buddy, it's a rule that if you are going to discuss monetary matters, you need to reward Skans by giving him a Stock Tip.

Sir,
You know me.
If I was to bury 500 Colt M-4 .223 rifles (w/1,000rd/ea)........@ &500/ea.
What is each worth after the Dem take over ?

You know me.
I charge the highest price.
Merc.-price.
Capitalism.

Do I work the ......."Bandalero" ??
No.
I am free, independent contractor.
You understand.

Can a killer cougar........change his spots.?                        
https://youtu.be/l3LFML_pxlY
 

Fuelman » 19 Jul 2023, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 12:57 pm

Born in South Africa in 1971, Musk moved to the US at the age of 17 to attend college, gaining degrees in physics and economics. He soon founded his first company, Zip2 — an online business directory service. This venture quickly made Musk very wealthy and he sold the business to Compaq for around $300m in 1999.May 26, 2023

Facts suck!
Or if you make any money on the internet, government is the one paying you? Interesting position.

As a working person, yes, I pushed back on policy that dug into my bottom line. You may be surprised things have changed a bit. The struggle to be financially independent 
Is real for everyone, most don't reach that point.

We have all heard the statement, "wealthy enough to be liberal", it's a thing! I retired a few years ago, my earning days are over and at this point do have some concern or at least empathy for the struggle to have some security in retirement.

Name one more penny that musk has made that was not from uncle sam and the green scam. Tesla would be under water without the teat. 

Musk lives on the teat. You girls LOVE AND DEFEND socialism. Y'all just want a say on who the recipients are.
 

Nostradamus'omh » 19 Jul 2023, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 10:17 am

What, where, when, which, who goes physical hell/eternal damnation, how and why?

Do you completely understand evolving as it happens or not? This is a yes or no question the first one wasn't.

The hell I believe in, and fear, is the lake of fire described in Matthew 24 on the Sermon on the Mount, delivered from the Mount of Olives.

It’s an absolutely essential part of Christianity.

In summary, Christ said if you take in the stranger, feed the hungry, and heal the sick you are rewarded with heaven.  Those that act all MAGA burn in hell.

The typical MAGA has never really read all the Sermon on the Mount and if he somehow could find it, he’d call it all a bunch of liberal socialist gimmie dat propaganda anyway.




 

the world is moving east

they know wash dc cannot be trusted.....trannyism

wash dc

is in pure panic

Cannonpointer » 19 Jul 2023, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 11:01 am

Is such a prerequisite of an indictment? No.

No. But the indictment of this nation in the OP and follow-on posts is speaking to a nation that once had higher values.

If it doesn't apply to you, don't assume it does. Lazy thinking.

None of this invalidates his indictment. If you are looking to mitigate against our culpability for our communal Mammon worship, fine - do so. Make your case why we should not be judged Mammonites because we were only dealt Mammonite cards from a Mammonite deck.

When you're done, it's STILL gonna come back to the only possible solution - public summary exectuions and camps - lots of camps.

It is a long tome not really needing detailed description and philosophy lesson.
Maybe it seems worse than previous years. But is it really?
The 80's was the "Me" decade after all. Probably somebody noticed it then too.

There were no stark revelations or new views warranting "explanations" taking up page after page...

The moral of the story: People suck and aren't getting any better.
Is that actually news?

Kobia2 » 19 Jul 2023, 8:35 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 8:35 am

              Spoken like a man with no money ---- who believes everyone else other than himself is the reason why.  

Ad homs - the last refuge of the totally defeated
 

DeezerShoove » 19 Jul 2023, 10:40 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 10:40 pm

It is a long tome not really needing detailed description and philosophy lesson.
Maybe it seems worse than previous years. But is it really?
The 80's was the "Me" decade after all. Probably somebody noticed it then too.

There were no stark revelations or new views warranting "explanations" taking up page after page...

The moral of the story: People suck and aren't getting any better.
Is that actually news?

The news is that culture has great influence on values.  For example, an Amish village has  a culture, as does a convent and a monastery.  Those cultures do not place greed as the highest virtue over faith, purity, industry, loyalty. thrift etc..

In fact. Most cultures do not elevate greed as the singular value paramount.  Only conservatives and Jews do that
 
 
 

SJConspirator » 19 Jul 2023, 10:49 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 10:49 pm

The news is that culture has great influence on values.  For example, an Amish village has  a culture, as does a convent and a monastery.  Those cultures do not place greed as the highest virtue over faith, purity, industry, loyalty. thrift etc..

In fact. Most cultures do not elevate greed as the singular value paramount.  Only conservatives and Jews do that

I love when I see the word "only".
It usually invalidates the rest of the statement.
Saves having a pissing contest.

Bruce » 19 Jul 2023, 9:58 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jul 2023, 9:58 pm

The hell I believe in, and fear, is the lake of fire described in Matthew 24 on the Sermon on the Mount, delivered from the Mount of Olives.

It’s an absolutely essential part of Christianity.

In summary, Christ said if you take in the stranger, feed the hungry, and heal the sick you are rewarded with heaven.  Those that act all MAGA burn in hell.

The typical MAGA has never really read all the Sermon on the Mount and if he somehow could find it, he’d call it all a bunch of liberal socialist gimmie dat propaganda anyway.

Understanding leads a person to believe something is wrong with reality. Faith requires people to never question their social beliefs. Missing links between did happen, does continue, future becomes all takes place now.

Simple compounding situation of does or doesn't exist here. Are you evolving as one of a kind or not? Never has been another you, never will be what you become so far.

Everything done adds into what you do next. Here you are following ideas now isn't eternity. Simple right or wrong behavior with being balanced or part of organized denying and orchestrating chaos.

Genetics eternally separates active reproductions inhabiting space specifically here. Simple compounding chromosomes in plain sight and each navigating their specific point of displacement.

Rule of 72 covers yesterday, today, tomorrow with or without you ever existed or naturally here.

Apathy leads to instinctive empathy by people organized to cover up what reality does to keep ancestries loyal to a royal we mantra all 5 generation gaps present.

Self evident behavioral patterns. Doesn't change because of one ideology or another governed by dictators or democracy, serving God, gods, country, community theater historically, currently.

Living never exceeds occupying the moment here.