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jerrab » 02 Aug 2023, 7:19 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 7:19 am

you can't defend him.

noted.

Russia russia russia bitch.....too bad you can't formulate your own opinions.....all your thoughts are someone else's

ConsRule » 02 Aug 2023, 6:32 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 6:32 am

Don't know about him, but it isn't my job to defend Trump. 

I will point out that advice of counsel is a legitimate and valid affirmative defense.  I will also point out that the DOJ does not get to decide which legal advisor someone has to use.  There could be 1,000 attorneys/scholars giving the same advice and 5 giving the opposite advice...the individual can follow the advice of the five.  That allows them to attempt the advice of counsel defense.  The success of that part of their strategy is a matter for the jury.

eastman will be  indicted too. now will he try to save himself and say trump wanted him to do it or just take the rap? I bet he will have more to say.

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/22/politics ... index.html


WashingtonCNN — The scheme to overturn the 2020 election and have Vice President Mike Pence gavel in Donald Trump as President on January 6 is based on nonsense legal theories and invented scenarios.John Eastman, a lawyer working for then-President Trump’s legal team, wrote a six-point memo on how Pence could dismiss the election results and hand Trump the Presidency, according to Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa’s new book “Peril.” The two-page memo was subsequently obtained by CNN.On Tuesday, Eastman provided CNN with a longer six-page memo laying out numerous other scenarios for Pence to follow on January 6.According to Woodward and Costa, Trump implored Pence to consider the plan during a January 4 meeting in the Oval Office.J. Michael Luttig, a lawyer and former judge for the 4th US Circuit Court of Appeals, wrote on Twitter Tuesday that he “advis(ed) Vice President Pence that he had no choice on January 6, 2021, but to accept and count the Electoral College votes.” Luttig, who was cited in Pence’s own January 6 letter explaining why he wouldn’t intervene, added that he believed “Eastman was incorrect at every turn of the analysis in his January 2 memorandum.”The plan proposed by Eastman – which Pence rejected – had no basis in reality and attempted to establish new, undemocratic authorities for the Vice President.Facts First: There are two foundational errors in Eastman’s memo. First, the memo falsely says there were legitimate “disputes” about the electors in seven states regarding the 2020 results. Second, the memo pretends the vice president has the power to declare who is the next President.Election resultsIn the memo, Eastman outlines how Pence, while presiding over the electoral vote count in Congress on January 6, could reject the election results of seven states because of supposed “ongoing disputes” over state electors and thereby exclude the electoral votes from those states.“When (Pence) gets to Arizona,” Eastman writes, “he announces that he has multiple slates of electors” and “(a)t the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed by those States.”This is nonsense.
 
 

jerrab » 02 Aug 2023, 7:35 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 7:35 am

eastman will be  indicted too. now will he try to save himself and say trump wanted him to do it or just take the rap? I bet he will have more to say.

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/22/politics ... index.html

WashingtonCNN — The scheme to overturn the 2020 election and have Vice President Mike Pence gavel in Donald Trump as President on January 6 is based on nonsense legal theories and invented scenarios.John Eastman, a lawyer working for then-President Trump’s legal team, wrote a six-point memo on how Pence could dismiss the election results and hand Trump the Presidency, according to Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa’s new book “Peril.” The two-page memo was subsequently obtained by CNN.On Tuesday, Eastman provided CNN with a longer six-page memo laying out numerous other scenarios for Pence to follow on January 6.According to Woodward and Costa, Trump implored Pence to consider the plan during a January 4 meeting in the Oval Office.J. Michael Luttig, a lawyer and former judge for the 4th US Circuit Court of Appeals, wrote on Twitter Tuesday that he “advis(ed) Vice President Pence that he had no choice on January 6, 2021, but to accept and count the Electoral College votes.” Luttig, who was cited in Pence’s own January 6 letter explaining why he wouldn’t intervene, added that he believed “Eastman was incorrect at every turn of the analysis in his January 2 memorandum.”The plan proposed by Eastman – which Pence rejected – had no basis in reality and attempted to establish new, undemocratic authorities for the Vice President.Facts First: There are two foundational errors in Eastman’s memo. First, the memo falsely says there were legitimate “disputes” about the electors in seven states regarding the 2020 results. Second, the memo pretends the vice president has the power to declare who is the next President.Election resultsIn the memo, Eastman outlines how Pence, while presiding over the electoral vote count in Congress on January 6, could reject the election results of seven states because of supposed “ongoing disputes” over state electors and thereby exclude the electoral votes from those states.“When (Pence) gets to Arizona,” Eastman writes, “he announces that he has multiple slates of electors” and “(a)t the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed by those States.”This is nonsense.

None of that changes, or makes incorrect, anything in my post.
 

ConsRule » 02 Aug 2023, 7:41 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 7:41 am

None of that changes, or makes incorrect, anything in my post.
 

Inaccurate by incomplete of the whole event. You play rationing information to create circumstantial evidence that follows your one track mantra. All other sides do the same process always leaving out a missing link of common since conceived results never same total sum twice arriving next now.

ConsRule » 02 Aug 2023, 6:32 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 6:32 am

Don't know about him, but it isn't my job to defend Trump. 

I will point out that advice of counsel is a legitimate and valid affirmative defense.  I will also point out that the DOJ does not get to decide which legal advisor someone has to use.  There could be 1,000 attorneys/scholars giving the same advice and 5 giving the opposite advice...the individual can follow the advice of the five.  That allows them to attempt the advice of counsel defense.  The success of that part of their strategy is a matter for the jury.

no one  is saying about trump's present lawyers or that he could not have a lawyer.

trump is blaming his past lawyers.

ConsRule » 02 Aug 2023, 6:32 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 6:32 am

Don't know about him, but it isn't my job to defend Trump. 

I will point out that advice of counsel is a legitimate and valid affirmative defense.  I will also point out that the DOJ does not get to decide which legal advisor someone has to use.  There could be 1,000 attorneys/scholars giving the same advice and 5 giving the opposite advice...the individual can follow the advice of the five.  That allows them to attempt the advice of counsel defense.  The success of that part of their strategy is a matter for the jury.Of

Advice of counsel was always part of the scheme to have false slates of electors in seven states certify those states actually voted for Trump, and Dominion voting machines, illegal aliens, insecure drop boxes, etc etc etc, meant those seven states were stolen by Biden.


If the scheme failed, which it did, then Trump would always have a legitimate defense of advise of counsel.

But some damned fool on Trump’s team made New Mexico one of the seven states Biden supposedly stole.

Trump was slaughtered in New Mexico.  The entire state house in New Mexico was Democrats.  There was no chance he’d win those fake electoral votes in a million years, they didn’t need New Mexico to win, it was sheer lunacy.

How will Trump blame that decision on his lawyers?


Remember, if your lawyers say it’s legal to rob a bank, you can’t rob a bank and blame your lawyers.

jerrab » 02 Aug 2023, 7:52 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 7:52 am

no one  is saying about trump's present lawyers or that he could not have a lawyer.

trump is blaming his past lawyers.

I acknowledged that.  I was pointing out that advice of counsel is a legitimate and valid defense.

Did you actually read my post?  I mean read the actual words...not the words you think I posted.

nefarious101 » 02 Aug 2023, 7:32 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 7:32 am

Russia russia russia bitch.....too bad you can't formulate your own opinions.....all your thoughts are someone else's

haha, it is all based on facts.

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https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/19/politics ... 20Politics

Four other emails that the judge is ordering disclosed “demonstrate an effort by President Trump and his attorneys to press false claims in federal court for the purpose of delaying the January 6 vote.” Carter pointed to litigation that Trump filed challenging the election results in Georgia. The judge went on to cite a December 2020 email where Eastman said that Trump had been made aware that some of the allegations made in a early December state court election challenge were inaccurate.According to Carter, Eastman wrote in the December 30, 2020, email: “Although the President signed a verification for [the state court filing] back on Dec. 1, he has since been made aware that some of the allegations (and evidence proffered by the experts) has been inaccurate. For him to sign a new verification with that knowledge (and incorporation by reference) would not be accurate.”Yet Trump and his attorneys went on to file a federal lawsuit referencing the same inaccurate numbers, Carter said. The federal lawsuit Trump’s attorneys filed did not incorporate the numbers in the body of the complaint, but rather, the lawsuit included as an attachment the state court election challenge. Trump filed it, as Carter noted, without “rectifying, clarifying, or otherwise changing” the bogus fraud numbers.

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trump and eastman and other lawyers knew the steal was a lie. next up will be rudy.
 

jerrab » 02 Aug 2023, 7:57 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 7:57 am

haha, it is all based on facts.

----------------------------Four other emails that the judge is ordering disclosed “demonstrate an effort by President Trump and his attorneys to press false claims in federal court for the purpose of delaying the January 6 vote.” Carter pointed to litigation that Trump filed challenging the election results in Georgia. The judge went on to cite a December 2020 email where Eastman said that Trump had been made aware that some of the allegations made in a early December state court election challenge were inaccurate.According to Carter, Eastman wrote in the December 30, 2020, email: “Although the President signed a verification for [the state court filing] back on Dec. 1, he has since been made aware that some of the allegations (and evidence proffered by the experts) has been inaccurate. For him to sign a new verification with that knowledge (and incorporation by reference) would not be accurate.”Yet Trump and his attorneys went on to file a federal lawsuit referencing the same inaccurate numbers, Carter said. The federal lawsuit Trump’s attorneys filed did not incorporate the numbers in the body of the complaint, but rather, the lawsuit included as an attachment the state court election challenge. Trump filed it, as Carter noted, without “rectifying, clarifying, or otherwise changing” the bogus fraud numbers.

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trump and eastman and other lawyers knew the steal was a lie. next up will be rudy.

you started your post with "haha"....I take it you were laughing like an idiot....quick!...good get some fake news from a radical progressive/rino website


Time you grow up junior....you can't be child forever

Bruce » 02 Aug 2023, 7:53 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 7:53 am

Advice of counsel was always part of the scheme to have false slates of electors in seven states certify those states actually voted for Trump, and Dominion voting machines, illegal aliens, insecure drop boxes, etc etc etc, meant those seven states were stolen by Biden.


 

I see you have bought the liberal media nickname...hook, line and sinker.  Technically, they were alternate slate of electors...not fake electors.  This was not the first time a state (or states) have submitted more than one slate of electors.  Care to show me where it is illegal for a state to submit more than one slate?

 

ConsRule » 02 Aug 2023, 7:54 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 7:54 am

I acknowledged that.  I was pointing out that advice of counsel is a legitimate and valid defense.

Did you actually read my post?  I mean read the actual words...not the words you think I posted.

you made 2 points and I referred to the second one. eastman is a co conspirator and knew the  steal was a lie. trump was also told pence could  not object to the count.

jerra b » 02 Aug 2023, 7:52 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 7:52 am

no one  is saying about trump's present lawyers or that he could not have a lawyer.

trump is blaming his past lawyers.

What do lawyers do exactly? Arbitrate interpretation of each law and use it with reasonable doubt so there is socially nothing left absolutely understood by the current population occupying time now.

Lawyers defend humanity, not ancestries. they protect deniers and punish honest soles.

nefarious101 » 02 Aug 2023, 7:32 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 7:32 am

Russia russia russia bitch.....too bad you can't formulate your own opinions.....all your thoughts are someone else's

hence the hahaha

jerrab » 02 Aug 2023, 8:06 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 8:06 am

hence the hahaha

so then you admit you were laughing like an idiot....that's the first sign of recovery....congrats

ConsRule » 02 Aug 2023, 8:01 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 8:01 am

I see you have bought the liberal media nickname...hook, line and sinker.  Technically, they were alternate slate of electors...not fake electors.  This was not the first time a state (or states) have submitted more than one slate of electors.  Care to show me where it is illegal for a state to submit more than one slate?

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A part of President Donald Trump’s effort to overturn the presidential election involved an effort to misuse the Electoral College in seven battleground states. On Dec. 14, 2020, legitimate members of the Electoral College met across the country to sign certificates declaring which presidential candidate won their state. That day, in several states that Biden had won, Republicans met to sign certificates declaring that they were the “duly elected and qualified” members of the Electoral College and falsely declaring Trump the winner of their state. They sent their documents to the National Archives.In the runup to Jan. 6, 2021, these false certificates were used in an effort to claim that Vice President Mike Pence could decide either not to recognize any electors from these “disputed states” (meaning an outright Trump win) or else delay the certification of the election.In a civil case earlier this month, federal district court judge David O. Carter described the alternate electors scheme as “a critical objective” of the criminal conspiracy in which President Donald Trump and lawyer John Eastman likely engaged
 

ConsRule » 02 Aug 2023, 8:01 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 8:01 am

I see you have bought the liberal media nickname...hook, line and sinker.  Technically, they were alternate slate of electors...not fake electors.  This was not the first time a state (or states) have submitted more than one slate of electors.  Care to show me where it is illegal for a state to submit more than one slate?

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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/2 ... w-00103942

Eastman had urged Pence to consider electoral votes purportedly cast by pro-Trump activists in several states that Biden won, even when no state legislatures agreed to endorse a slate of “alternate” electors.That push has landed Eastman at the center of both bar disciplinary actions as well as ongoing criminal probes in Washington and Georgia.
 

ConsRule » 02 Aug 2023, 8:01 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 8:01 am

I see you have bought the liberal media nickname...hook, line and sinker.  Technically, they were alternate slate of electors...not fake electors.  This was not the first time a state (or states) have submitted more than one slate of electors.  Care to show me where it is illegal for a state to submit more than one slate?

 New Mexico only submitted one slate of real electors.

Trump was beaten by double digits in New Mexico.

His ginned up, false electors were totally bogus.

 

Bruce » 02 Aug 2023, 8:46 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 8:46 am

 New Mexico only submitted one slate of real electors.

Trump was beaten by double digits in New Mexico.

His ginned up, false electors were totally bogus.

 

You understand the difference between physical results and circumstantial evidence created by speculating anything else could have happened? Debating anything else is possible corrupts the actual event on all speculating sides thinking outside the event comparing past, current, updated scenarios.

You don't know how to navigate series parallel time mutually evolving here in plain sight without reciting historical and current event beliefs living a personal lifetime in life exceeds the sequencing of ancestors occupying time now. Physically never has and philosophically doesn't happen.

Nostradamus'omh » 02 Aug 2023, 6:55 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 6:55 am

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Humanity defies actual evolving on purpose corrupting every great great grandchild added forward arriving one at a time now.

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The geometry of innocence flesh on the bone
Causes Galileo’s math book to get thrown
At Delilah who sits worthlessly alone
But the tears on her cheeks are from laughter

Now I wish I could give Brother Bill his great thrill
I would set him in chains at the top of the hill
Then send out for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille
He could die happily ever after
 

MackTheFinger » 02 Aug 2023, 4:29 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 4:29 pm

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The geometry of innocence flesh on the bone
Causes Galileo’s math book to get thrown
At Delilah who sits worthlessly alone
But the tears on her cheeks are from laughter

Now I wish I could give Brother Bill his great thrill
I would set him in chains at the top of the hill
Then send out for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille
He could die happily ever after
 

symbolism never replaces substance same as context never describes actual evolving honestly serving people never accepting life in plain sight and real timing of individuals occupying space here.