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Watching in real time someone lose their moral compass. Someone sacrificing their character at the altar of political ambition. Someone who knows better, who was there, who saw what happened on Jan. 6, who saw people running for their lives, who knows what Trump did was wrong and has said it wrong.

The thing that kills me about all this is WHERE is election fraud? If Trump has evidence of wide spread fraud, which is what it will take to overcome this indictment, he still not has shown it anywhere.

If all these people — the Fox News opinion leaders, the GOP senators who went to Harvard and Yale like Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley — have evidence, then why haven't the American people seen it? 

There is no evidence of fraud. None. What little they had, they tried and they lost. It went up in flames in dozens and dozens of courts across the country.

So this really is about whether the rule of law is going to survive. And if it wobbles, it will be for one reason: Republicans in this country who lost their love of country in order to further their political ambition.

There ia a lot of made up BS to which none has been backed with hard evidence. Nonetheless the BS and blah blah blah is still repeated no matter what YET STILL zero hard evidence.

BS political rhetoric is not hard evidence = it is misinformation.

razoo » 03 Aug 2023, 10:28 am » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 10:28 am

There ia a lot of made up BS to which none has been backed with hard evidence.
 

Yeah...reminds me of Russiagate.



shame

neueregel » 03 Aug 2023, 10:29 am » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 10:29 am

Yeah...reminds me of Russiagate.

shame

nothing but BS rhetoric  = not hard evidence = not 1 oz of truth ......

SUBVERTING the USA government would create massive destructive bankruptcy throughout the USA,

Retirement plans would go up in smoke
Medical Insurance coverage go up in smoke
Employment by the billions would go up in smoke
The USA Credit Rating would be destroyed
The USA dollar would have zero value throughout the world
USA industry would be wiped out.....
The military would be in complete chaos
Social Security would be gone
Medicare would be gone
Fascism might initiate a Hitler Jewish like slaughter of human beings
Damn few banks would remain open
USA farming would go straight to hell


The above is just a tiny bit of food for thought...........

More evidence than Shift showed for Russia collusion.

razoo » 03 Aug 2023, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 10:32 am

nothing but BS rhetoric  = not hard evidence = not 1 oz of truth ......

Let's see if you are adult enough to answer a simple question.  How much fraud is acceptable to you in an election (regardless of the office)?  Feel free to phrase it as percentage of total votes if you wish.
 

razoo » 03 Aug 2023, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 10:32 am

nothing but BS rhetoric  = not hard evidence = not 1 oz of truth ......

I know. Durham confirmed.

ConsRule » 03 Aug 2023, 10:36 am » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 10:36 am

Let's see if you are adult enough to answer a simple question.  How much fraud is acceptable to you in an election (regardless of the office)?  Feel free to phrase it as percentage of total votes if you wish.

I think he stepped out of the bath house, maybe went to the clinic.....he'll be with you momentarily. 

Republicans have been committing election fraud .......so there is some

Nothing but the facts........only the facts.
Nothing but the facts........only the facts.


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Yet Another Republican Commits Voter Fraud

New Republic
https://newrepublic.com › post › another-republican-c...
An upstate New York elections official becomes the latest in a long line of conservatives to perpetrate the very crime they claim is being done against ...


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Iowa official's wife charged with 52 counts of voter fraud
NPR
https://www.npr.org › 2023/01/14 › iowa-52-counts-vot...
Jan 14, 2023 — The wife of a county supervisor allegedly filled out and cast absentee ballots in her husband's unsuccessful race for a Republican ...


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State GOP-backed 'election integrity' units find few voter ...
PBS
https://www.pbs.org › newshour › politics › state-gop-...
Nov 26, 2022 — State-level law enforcement units created after the 2020 presidential election to investigate voter fraud are looking into scattered ...


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Can Republicans Commit Voter Fraud?
New York Magazine
https://nymag.com › voter-fraud-mark-meadows
Mar 12, 2022 — The Republican Party under Donald Trump is obsessed with crime. In its efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, it has cast ...

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Another voter fraud accusation blows up in Republicans ...
CNN.com
https://www.cnn.com › 2021/11/21 › politics › fact-chec...
Nov 21, 2021 — The mysterious case of Rosemarie Hartle's vote in the last presidential election, three years after her death, was trumpeted in November ...


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Kansas Republican Rep. Steve Watkins charged with voter ...
Politico
https://www.politico.com › news › 2020/07/14 › kans...
Jul 14, 2020 — Kansas GOP Rep. Steve Watkins was charged Tuesday with three felony counts of voter fraud related to the 2019 municipal elections, ...

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razoo » 03 Aug 2023, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 10:32 am

nothing but BS rhetoric  = not hard evidence = not 1 oz of truth ......

Would you (and other people like you) understand computer fraud if it was even explained to you?

Being absolutely wedded to your political partisanship, you would rather "win" than know what actually happened anyway. You are expecting your own party to fess up to a HUGE crime. That would apparently be the only way you would believe any fraud occurred.

Even after the fact, post-election, this political partisanship is still so very important to you and yours that you choose to ignore impropriety after impropriety, awkward circumstance after awkward circumstance, etc, etc. You liberals/progressives are trashing investigative journalism with daily deflections, omissions, spin, etc.

Doing this while claiming there's nothing to hide, while hiding? You should be facilitating investigations thereby calling the bluff (if it is actually a bluff).
Instead you are just constantly stating "The fox found nothing in the henhouse"...
 

And schiff wasn’t lyin?

razoo » 04 Aug 2023, 3:32 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 3:32 am

Republicans have been committing election fraud .......so there is some

Nothing but the facts........only the facts.
Nothing but the facts........only the facts.

=============================================

Yet Another Republican Commits Voter Fraud

New Republic
https://newrepublic.com › post › another-republican-c...
An upstate New York elections official becomes the latest in a long line of conservatives to perpetrate the very crime they claim is being done against ...

==================================================
Iowa official's wife charged with 52 counts of voter fraud
NPR
https://www.npr.org › 2023/01/14 › iowa-52-counts-vot...
Jan 14, 2023 — The wife of a county supervisor allegedly filled out and cast absentee ballots in her husband's unsuccessful race for a Republican ...

====================================================

State GOP-backed 'election integrity' units find few voter ...
PBS
https://www.pbs.org › newshour › politics › state-gop-...
Nov 26, 2022 — State-level law enforcement units created after the 2020 presidential election to investigate voter fraud are looking into scattered ...

======================================================
Can Republicans Commit Voter Fraud?
New York Magazine
https://nymag.com › voter-fraud-mark-meadows
Mar 12, 2022 — The Republican Party under Donald Trump is obsessed with crime. In its efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, it has cast ...

========================================================

Another voter fraud accusation blows up in Republicans ...
CNN.com
https://www.cnn.com › 2021/11/21 › politics › fact-chec...
Nov 21, 2021 — The mysterious case of Rosemarie Hartle's vote in the last presidential election, three years after her death, was trumpeted in November ...

=======================================================
Kansas Republican Rep. Steve Watkins charged with voter ...
Politico
https://www.politico.com › news › 2020/07/14 › kans...
Jul 14, 2020 — Kansas GOP Rep. Steve Watkins was charged Tuesday with three felony counts of voter fraud related to the 2019 municipal elections, ...

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the above reveals republicans are the voter fraud culprits ............. best clean up your own back yards and front yards.

the GOP does not have the votes to win and the movers and shakers know this which is why so much effort  is placed into 61 methods of voter suppression. 
 

ALEC is directly tied to the emerging trend among state legislatures to consider voter ID laws.27

Using false allegations of “voter fraud,” right-wing politicians are pursuing policies that disenfranchise students and other at-risk voters — including the elderly and the poor — who are unlikely to have drivers’ licenses or other forms of photo ID.28 

By suppressing the vote of such groups, ALEC’s model “Voter ID Act” grants an electoral advantage to Republicans while undermining the right to vote.

In addition, ALEC wants to make it easier for corporations to participate in the political process.

Their Public Safety and Elections taskforce is co-chaired by Sean Parnell of the Center for Competitive Politics, one of the most vociferous pro-corporate election groups, and promotes model legislation that would devastate campaign finance reform and allow for greater corporate influence in elections.29

http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/alec-t ... ures#Voter
 

 Aegis Strategic, is run by a former top executive at Charles and David Koch’s flagship advocacy group, Americans for Prosperity, and it was founded with the blessing of the brothers’ political advisers, three Republican operatives tell Mother Jones.

The consulting firm plans to handpick local, state, and federal candidates who share the Kochs’ free-market, limited-government agenda, and groom them to win elections.

“We seek out electable advocates of the freedom and opportunity agenda who will be forceful at both the policy and political levels,” the company notes on its website. Aegis says it can manage every aspect of a campaign, including advertising, direct mail, social media, and fundraising. As the Washington Post recently reported, the Kochs’ political network raised more than $400 million in 2011 and 2012 to defeat President Barack Obama, influence House and Senate races, and shape policy debates at the state and federal levels.

The constellation of nonprofit groups used by the Kochs and their allies is mind-bendingly complex, seemingly designed to keep donors’ identities shielded from public scrutiny.

Aegis Strategic comes across as an effort by the Koch brothers’ allies to bring in-house the business of campaigns.

On its website, Aegis bills itself as a one-stop shop for candidates who are “committed to freedom and economic opportunity,” offering candidates such services as opposition research, fundraising, direct mail, TV/radio/cable advertisements, phone banking, data management, and social media.

The company’s office is located just blocks from Americans for Prosperity’s national headquarters, the offices of various Koch-funded foundations, and Freedom Partners, the primary vehicle for anonymous money raised by the Koch donor network.

Pledging to identify and train budding conservative and libertarian candidates, Aegis potentially fills a gap that the Kochs have previously identified in their political operation.

Donors and activists who are active in the Koch network say there was widespread frustration following the 2012 elections, during which the GOP had fielded so many lackluster candidates.

“You can spend all the money on a candidate you want, but if they’re talking about self-deportation, or betting $10,000, or 47 percent, you’re gonna lose,” says Stan Hubbard, a Minnesota-based radio and TV magnate who attends the Koch seminars. “You have a bad candidate, you’re gonna lose.”
 

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... -strategic

 
 

razoo » 03 Aug 2023, 10:25 am » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 10:25 am

Watching in real time someone lose their moral compass. Someone sacrificing their character at the altar of political ambition. Someone who knows better, who was there, who saw what happened on Jan. 6, who saw people running for their lives, who knows what Trump did was wrong and has said it wrong.

The thing that kills me about all this is WHERE is election fraud? If Trump has evidence of wide spread fraud, which is what it will take to overcome this indictment, he still not has shown it anywhere.

If all these people — the Fox News opinion leaders, the GOP senators who went to Harvard and Yale like Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley — have evidence, then why haven't the American people seen it? 

There is no evidence of fraud. None. What little they had, they tried and they lost. It went up in flames in dozens and dozens of courts across the country.

So this really is about whether the rule of law is going to survive. And if it wobbles, it will be for one reason: Republicans in this country who lost their love of country in order to further their political ambition.

Does your posting history date back to 2016...?
If so I'd like to see what you were saying about Election fraud back then.
BTW..Vote Fraud? More Votes Than Voters in One-third of Detroit Precincts - The New American
Were you  one of the 1000s of suicidal Snowflake / Drama Queens who vowed they would move to Canada if Trump won [but never kept their word]...?
Were you one of the 1000s of suicidal Snowflake / Drama Queens who clogged the SUICIDE HOTLINES after Hillary lost...?    
 

ConsRule » 03 Aug 2023, 10:36 am » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 10:36 am

Let's see if you are adult enough to answer a simple question.  How much fraud is acceptable to you in an election (regardless of the office)?  Feel free to phrase it as percentage of total votes if you wish.

You are asking him to do math, though a simple amount of it, but still...math and numbers aren't exactly something progressives are good at.

The good news is, now that Trump has been charged related to Jan 6, Jack ****'s...I mean Jack Smith's team will have to prove there was no fraud in order to get a conviction on that count. All the defense has to do is show just one fraudulent vote and say "and this is just one we found in a cursory search"...bingo, reasonable doubt.

BTW razoo...you haven't answered my question.

GHETTOBLASTER » 04 Aug 2023, 10:44 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 10:44 am

Does your posting history date back to 2016...?
If so I'd like to see what you were saying about Election fraud back then.
BTW..Vote Fraud? More Votes Than Voters in One-third of Detroit Precincts - The New American
Were you  one of the 1000s of suicidal Snowflake / Drama Queens who vowed they would move to Canada if Trump won [but never kept their word]...?
Were you one of the 1000s of suicidal Snowflake / Drama Queens who clogged the SUICIDE HOTLINES after Hillary lost...?  

Blah blah blah blah  = if you love fascism move to Russia or China....................... or ........

ConsRule » 04 Aug 2023, 10:47 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 10:47 am

The good news is, now that Trump has been charged related to Jan 6, Jack ****'s...I mean Jack Smith's team will have to prove there was no fraud in order to get a conviction on that count. All the defense has to do is show just one fraudulent vote and say "and this is just one we found in a cursory search"...bingo, reasonable doubt.

BTW razoo...you haven't answered my question.

never will ......... give up your USA citizenship and move to Russia on your way to paradise North Korea.