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Lincoln is habitually number 1 in presidential rankings, but he still saw blacks as unequals.
Lincoln is habitually number 1 in presidential rankings, but he still saw blacks as unequals.
By Vegas
11 Aug 2023 12:21 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
12 Aug 2023 6:30 am
After the war between the states thousands of peaceful natives are marched off of their successful self sufficient >>>non government subsidized<<<<< farms in the north east Nebraska area hundreds of miles south on foot to a camp where 2/3 of the population dies. The natives were not recognized as human according to the post Civil war legality.Bruce » 11 Aug 2023, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑ strike up the Battle Hymn of the Republic!
https://youtu.be/tcyC1GdXaGw
Lincoln died on Good Friday April 14, 1865 that four million black slaves might live free.
As for his popularity winning the god damned Civil War and freeing four million black slaves had a hell of a lot to do with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf-yFKKk_P0
12 Aug 2023 8:31 am
When the racist vote mattered, racists voted democrat. Anti black racists are politically homeless. Anti white racists are celebrated in progressive circles as long as their white hatred excludes queer whites.Bruce » 11 Aug 2023, 2:08 pm » wrote: ↑ You seem a good reader. Put “Southern Strategy” in the search engine of your choice.
https://politicaldictionary.com/words/s ... -strategy/
By coming South, Barry Goldwater had made it possible for great numbers of unapologetic white supremacists to hold great carnivals of white supremacy. They were not troubled in the least over whether this would hurt the Republican Party in the rest of the country. They wanted to make—for their own satisfaction, if for no one else’s—a display of the fact that they had found and were enjoying membership in one organization that was secure against integration.
12 Aug 2023 9:58 am
Vegas » 11 Aug 2023, 12:21 pm » wrote: ↑ The quote below was from Lincoln. However, to avoid any accusations of cherry picking, let's put it in context. Lincoln only wanted to abolish slavery to preserve the union. It was in the way. He never advocated for their equality. He abolished slavery, he never allowed for their rights like white people. It was only a necessity.
Why is he always considered a hero when he only wanted slavery abolished for political reasons, not for moral ones?
"Lincoln's Evolving Racial Views" - Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Library & Museums (rbhayes.org)
Did you even read the beginning of the article. It shows his evolution from the prejudices of his time:
Three days before he met his destiny, Abraham Lincoln stepped through a door where no president had gone before—he openly supported the granting of political rights to African Americans. In this his last public address, the president commented on the Reconstruction of Louisiana and its impact on the newly emancipated and other persons of color. Despite demands from certain “Radical” Republicans in Congress and appeals from black elites in the state, in spite of a gentle and clandestine suggestion from the president himself, Louisiana had rejected the idea of African American inclusion in the body politic. Lincoln took the opportunity provided by those assembled in celebration of Lee’s surrender, to convey his belief that the right to vote be “now conferred on the very intelligent, and on those who serve our cause as soldiers.” Although disappointed by the state’s decision to deny suffrage, he remained hopeful that black men would soon be allowed to join their white counterparts in the exercise of one of the most sacred duties and rights of citizenship. Skulking in the crowd that night was John Wilkes Booth, who upon hearing Lincoln offer support for black voting rights supposedly exclaimed: “That means *** citizenship. No, by God! I’ll put him through. That is the last speech he will ever make.”
And ended with:
Historians are fond of saying that Lincoln “grew” in the presidency. Perhaps so. If the war taught him anything, it taught him the value of all Americans, even those degraded by slavery and whose lives had been circumscribed by discrimination. He had recognized their right to benefit from their own labor early on. Perhaps the war taught him that the ability of a man (or woman) to eat the bread he earned was only part of what made America strong. Perhaps he was beginning to understand that freedom without the protections afforded by a political voice made the idea of American liberty a hollow promise. It is unwise to speculate about how far and how fast he might have been willing to travel along this road of racial equality had he lived, but we can be assured that the men and women who stood to be the beneficiaries of that equality would have been a constant reminder to him of his and the nation’s obligations to them.
12 Aug 2023 11:16 am
He died a segregationist. Not like Malcom X and other influential black leaders didn't hold the same views. I think they are wrong but can see merit in their arguments. I love different cultures, different cuisines, different prerogatives. Assimilation is boring.OdeToJoy » 12 Aug 2023, 9:58 am » wrote: ↑ Did you even read the beginning of the article. It shows his evolution from the prejudices of his time:
Three days before he met his destiny, Abraham Lincoln stepped through a door where no president had gone before—he openly supported the granting of political rights to African Americans. In this his last public address, the president commented on the Reconstruction of Louisiana and its impact on the newly emancipated and other persons of color. Despite demands from certain “Radical” Republicans in Congress and appeals from black elites in the state, in spite of a gentle and clandestine suggestion from the president himself, Louisiana had rejected the idea of African American inclusion in the body politic. Lincoln took the opportunity provided by those assembled in celebration of Lee’s surrender, to convey his belief that the right to vote be “now conferred on the very intelligent, and on those who serve our cause as soldiers.” Although disappointed by the state’s decision to deny suffrage, he remained hopeful that black men would soon be allowed to join their white counterparts in the exercise of one of the most sacred duties and rights of citizenship. Skulking in the crowd that night was John Wilkes Booth, who upon hearing Lincoln offer support for black voting rights supposedly exclaimed: “That means *** citizenship. No, by God! I’ll put him through. That is the last speech he will ever make.”
And ended with:
Historians are fond of saying that Lincoln “grew” in the presidency. Perhaps so. If the war taught him anything, it taught him the value of all Americans, even those degraded by slavery and whose lives had been circumscribed by discrimination. He had recognized their right to benefit from their own labor early on. Perhaps the war taught him that the ability of a man (or woman) to eat the bread he earned was only part of what made America strong. Perhaps he was beginning to understand that freedom without the protections afforded by a political voice made the idea of American liberty a hollow promise. It is unwise to speculate about how far and how fast he might have been willing to travel along this road of racial equality had he lived, but we can be assured that the men and women who stood to be the beneficiaries of that equality would have been a constant reminder to him of his and the nation’s obligations to them.
12 Aug 2023 11:24 am
Abolition was a tool. And he was correct. The preponderance of blacks are unequal, and not in a good way. They never have been. There are numerous exceptions though.Vegas » 11 Aug 2023, 12:21 pm » wrote: ↑ The quote below was from Lincoln. However, to avoid any accusations of cherry picking, let's put it in context. Lincoln only wanted to abolish slavery to preserve the union. It was in the way. He never advocated for their equality. He abolished slavery, he never allowed for their rights like white people. It was only a necessity.
Why is he always considered a hero when he only wanted slavery abolished for political reasons, not for moral ones?
"Lincoln's Evolving Racial Views" - Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Library & Museums (rbhayes.org)
12 Aug 2023 11:27 am
OdeToJoy » 12 Aug 2023, 9:58 am » wrote: ↑ Did you even read the beginning of the article. It shows his evolution from the prejudices of his time:
Three days before he met his destiny, Abraham Lincoln stepped through a door where no president had gone before—he openly supported the granting of political rights to African Americans. In this his last public address, the president commented on the Reconstruction of Louisiana and its impact on the newly emancipated and other persons of color. Despite demands from certain “Radical” Republicans in Congress and appeals from black elites in the state, in spite of a gentle and clandestine suggestion from the president himself, Louisiana had rejected the idea of African American inclusion in the body politic. Lincoln took the opportunity provided by those assembled in celebration of Lee’s surrender, to convey his belief that the right to vote be “now conferred on the very intelligent, and on those who serve our cause as soldiers.” Although disappointed by the state’s decision to deny suffrage, he remained hopeful that black men would soon be allowed to join their white counterparts in the exercise of one of the most sacred duties and rights of citizenship. Skulking in the crowd that night was John Wilkes Booth, who upon hearing Lincoln offer support for black voting rights supposedly exclaimed: “That means *** citizenship. No, by God! I’ll put him through. That is the last speech he will ever make.”
And ended with:
Historians are fond of saying that Lincoln “grew” in the presidency. Perhaps so. If the war taught him anything, it taught him the value of all Americans, even those degraded by slavery and whose lives had been circumscribed by discrimination. He had recognized their right to benefit from their own labor early on. Perhaps the war taught him that the ability of a man (or woman) to eat the bread he earned was only part of what made America strong. Perhaps he was beginning to understand that freedom without the protections afforded by a political voice made the idea of American liberty a hollow promise. It is unwise to speculate about how far and how fast he might have been willing to travel along this road of racial equality had he lived, but we can be assured that the men and women who stood to be the beneficiaries of that equality would have been a constant reminder to him of his and the nation’s obligations to them.
Look around your country, and realize why the evolution of prejudices has reversed course.
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