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DeezerShoove » 19 Aug 2023, 4:28 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 4:28 pm

There is no magic. No secret.
Lithium batteries are expensive and toxic. And heavy as hell.
They MORE than make up for the weight saved from gas powered.

Besides being a bit problematic when they catch fire (actually self-ignite - even MORE fun),
they are a bitch to extinguish.

Cold weather, long haul with any load, infrastructure will NEVER match a gas tank for versatility, etc.

Simple **** attention whores ignore the strip mining and end-of-life nightmares for these cars...
because this crap also messes up the narrative.
Bruth ith a trolling idiot. A pretender.

well said...
 

sootedupCyndi » 19 Aug 2023, 5:15 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 5:15 pm

 
you'll never catch me sitting at a charging station at 20 below for an hour.
my lips would start movin like Bidens.

you talkin babbling or blue?   
 

sootedupCyndi » 19 Aug 2023, 5:15 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 5:15 pm

 
you'll never catch me sitting at a charging station at 20 below for an hour.
my lips would start movin like Bidens.

I lost again.
3rd. loss in a row.
I came home early.
I am going to get drunk.
Damn.  (-$250.00/ea.)
Poker is a roller-coaster.
Financially .....& emotionally.     Damn.
I don't whine.           I move forward.

"If you can't stand the heat......stay out of the kitchen".
                                                                                                Pres. Harry Truman.

Peace, Sister.                                   
https://youtu.be/sqOgyNfHl1U

ROG62 » 19 Aug 2023, 4:02 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 4:02 pm

babs=15px, do the math for me here...$56 to go 240 miles...is that somewhat close to your " $.02 per mile? asking for @RebelGator  @Beekeeper  @DeplorablePatriot  ​​​​@razoo  ....

No.  It strains credibly.

The average installed cost of wind projects in 2021 was $1,500/kW, down more than 40% since the peak in 2010.Aug 16, 2022
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Ford E Lighting

In each standard range trim, your lithium-ion battery will have a capacity of 98 kWh that can take you an estimated range of 230 miles. If you go for an extended range option, you'll see a whopping 131 kWh capacity with a range of 300 to 320 miles. Each Lightning battery is covered under warranty too!

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USA average electric rate

Average U.S. residential electricity prices will reach almost 15 cents/kWh in 2022 and 15.33 cents/kWh in 2023, according to the latest forecast from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.Nov 10, 20

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100 kilowatts of electricity has an average cost of $15 today.

If there’s a home charger  near a utility that has installed new cheap $1,500 a kilowatt wind plants that produce 2 cents an hour electricity the juice might be as low as 5 cents a kilowatt  AT NIGHT.,   or $5 per 100 kw.

For the guy to use 100kw of juice and pay $56 the rate would be a whopping 56 cents per kilowatt hour.

But if was gas and got 23 miles per gallon he’d burn 10 gallons of gas at $4 and pay $40.

A standard Tesla has a 54 kw battery and it takes half the juice a big F-150 uses.  

So overnight charging is as low as $2.50 at home, and the usual Tesla station rates are 15 cents, so 230 miles would cost about $7.50.

Whatever the size or weight of the vehicle electricity  is three times more efficient  than gas to travel so many miles.
 

Bruce » 19 Aug 2023, 6:07 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 6:07 pm

No.  It strains credibly.

The average installed cost of wind projects in 2021 was $1,500/kW, down more than 40% since the peak in 2010.Aug 16, 2022
—-

Ford E Lighting

In each standard range trim, your lithium-ion battery will have a capacity of 98 kWh that can take you an estimated range of 230 miles. If you go for an extended range option, you'll see a whopping 131 kWh capacity with a range of 300 to 320 miles. Each Lightning battery is covered under warranty too!

——-

USA average electric rate

Average U.S. residential electricity prices will reach almost 15 cents/kWh in 2022 and 15.33 cents/kWh in 2023, according to the latest forecast from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.Nov 10, 20

——

100 kilowatts of electricity has an average cost of $15 today.

If there’s a home charger  near a utility that has installed new cheap $1,500 a kilowatt wind plants that produce 2 cents an hour electricity the juice might be as low as 5 cents a kilowatt  AT NIGHT.,   or $5 per 100 kw.

For the guy to use 100kw of juice and pay $56 the rate would be a whopping 56 cents per kilowatt hour.

But if was gas and got 23 miles per gallon he’d burn 10 gallons of gas at $4 and pay $40.

A standard Tesla has a 54 kw battery and it takes half the juice a big F-150 uses.  

So overnight charging is as low as $2.50 at home, and the usual Tesla station rates are 15 cents, so 230 miles would cost about $7.50.

Whatever the size or weight of the vehicle electricity  is three times more efficient  than gas to travel so many miles.

so why did it cost $56? profiteers?
 

ROG62 » 19 Aug 2023, 6:13 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 6:13 pm

so why did it cost $56? profiteers?

The math says the guy paid 56 cents a kilowatt.

The average wind power cost to generate fell below 2 cents a kilowatt in 2019 for new build wind farms.  Wind is rock bottom the cheapest juice.


Here are the highest rates in the USAStateResidential May 2023% Change YoYHawaii42.26 ¢/kWh-2.6%Connecticut31.32 ¢/kWh26.1%New Hampshire30.67 ¢/kWh33.1%California29.78 ¢/kWh8.8%

 
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A Tesla station would not gouge him like that.

I wonder who robbed him?.

Bruce » 19 Aug 2023, 6:38 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 6:38 pm

The math says the guy paid 56 cents a kilowatt.

The average wind power cost to generate fell below 2 cents a kilowatt in 2019 for new build wind farms.  Wind is rock bottom the cheapest juice.

Here are the highest rates in the USAStateResidential May 2023% Change YoYHawaii42.26 ¢/kWh-2.6%Connecticut31.32 ¢/kWh26.1%New Hampshire30.67 ¢/kWh33.1%California29.78 ¢/kWh8.8%

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A Tesla station would not gouge him like that.

I wonder who robbed him?.

Even if electricity was nearly free, EV's aren't worth a **** except as a fair weather conveyance.
There are way more negatives than this pissing contest about electricity prices.
Are you that narrow in your scope, ya **** bot?
 

DeezerShoove » 19 Aug 2023, 6:43 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 6:43 pm

Even if electricity was nearly free, EV's aren't worth a **** except as a fair weather conveyance.
There are way more negatives than this pissing contest about electricity prices.
Are you that narrow in your scope, ya **** bot?

The global warning do gooders wanted electrics powered by wind to save the planet, which are trigger words for MAGAS.  What time Fox News isn’t worried about trannys and Hunter Biden they slap around windmills and electric cars.
 
And I will admit MAGAS are a strange breed, not getting shots, boycotting beer, and hateful taking gloom and doom prophets and not receptive to the slightest progress.

But they love fast cars, as much as the rest of us.
——
Nail the throttle from rest and 60 mph arrives in 4.0 seconds flat, on its way to a 12.7-second quarter-mile at 107 mph, just before it hits its 110-mph governed top speed.

https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/f-150-lightning

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That much power exceeds any factory muscle car of my youth.

Performance alone will sell the things.

And in ten years they’ll have 500kw batteries and a thousand mile range with a thousand horses and run the quarter in ten seconds flat.

The 3 cents a mile home charger, the quiet, million mile motors and 25 year batteries will be life as we’ll know it, all normal and expected.

 

DeezerShoove » 19 Aug 2023, 4:28 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 4:28 pm

There is no magic. No secret.
Lithium batteries are expensive and toxic. And heavy as hell.
They MORE than make up for the weight saved from gas powered.

Besides being a bit problematic when they catch fire (actually self-ignite - even MORE fun),
they are a bitch to extinguish.

Cold weather, long haul with any load, infrastructure will NEVER match a gas tank for versatility, etc.

Simple **** attention whores ignore the strip mining and end-of-life nightmares for these cars...
because this crap also messes up the narrative.
Bruth ith a trolling idiot. A pretender.

For liberals...Douse a lithium fire with lots of water.
 

Bruce » 19 Aug 2023, 7:29 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 7:29 pm

The global warning do gooders wanted electrics powered by wind to save the planet, which are trigger words for MAGAS.  What time Fox News isn’t worried about trannys and Hunter Biden they slap around windmills and electric cars.
 
And I will admit MAGAS are a strange breed, not getting shots, boycotting beer, and hateful taking gloom and doom prophets and not receptive to the slightest progress.

But they love fast cars, as much as the rest of us.
——
Nail the throttle from rest and 60 mph arrives in 4.0 seconds flat, on its way to a 12.7-second quarter-mile at 107 mph, just before it hits its 110-mph governed top speed.

https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/f-150-lightning

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That much power exceeds any factory muscle car of my youth.

Performance alone will sell the things.

And in ten years they’ll have 500kw batteries and a thousand mile range with a thousand horses and run the quarter in ten seconds flat.

The 3 cents a mile home charger, the quiet, million mile motors and 25 year batteries will be life as we’ll know it, all normal and expected.

All you progs are self-centered, overly proud of nothing, double talkers.
You, in particular, are a bot or a true narcissist. 

The off-topic rambling incoherencies and pretense are palatable with you.
When someone says to you, "Eat **** and die, Retard." what do you do?
 

Bruce » 19 Aug 2023, 6:38 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 6:38 pm

The math says the guy paid 56 cents a kilowatt.

The average wind power cost to generate fell below 2 cents a kilowatt in 2019 for new build wind farms.  Wind is rock bottom the cheapest juice.

Here are the highest rates in the USAStateResidential May 2023% Change YoYHawaii42.26 ¢/kWh-2.6%Connecticut31.32 ¢/kWh26.1%New Hampshire30.67 ¢/kWh33.1%California29.78 ¢/kWh8.8%

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A Tesla station would not gouge him like that.

I wonder who robbed him?.

apparently there's a hefty markup...
 

DeezerShoove » 19 Aug 2023, 9:23 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 9:23 pm

All you progs are self-centered, overly proud of nothing, double talkers.
You, in particular, are a bot or a true narcissist. 

The off-topic rambling incoherencies and pretense are palatable with you.
When someone says to you, "Eat **** and die, Retard." what do you do?

Ignore the insult.

The only thing really wrong with right wingers is they all try to agree with each other the most about things like electric cars, lithium batteries, and wind turbines.

I’ll never understand how, that I see the CEO of Ford candidly admitting problems and astonishingly pledging FMC electrics will use a Tesla charger.  How can a cynic see that as an admission electric cars suck?

I can’t imagine a 12.7 second ET and 0-60 in 4 second set of wheels.  They’d have to put a lot of traction controls to keep that one in a straight line.

And that’s the first production line mass market EV truck ever. All the other ones only get better, and cheaper too.

No gas engines, no transmissions.  Million mile electric motor on an axle with a 20 year battery that gets cheaper each year to replace.



$50,000 new today and $5,000 on the used lots in ten years.

Who wouldn’t want a free one?

And they’ll sell out until they improve it and sell out of those until it’s just another truck, it’s normal, it’s what all pickups are.




 

Bruce » 19 Aug 2023, 6:07 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 6:07 pm

No.  It strains credibly.

The average installed cost of wind projects in 2021 was $1,500/kW, down more than 40% since the peak in 2010.Aug 16, 2022
—-

Ford E Lighting

In each standard range trim, your lithium-ion battery will have a capacity of 98 kWh that can take you an estimated range of 230 miles. If you go for an extended range option, you'll see a whopping 131 kWh capacity with a range of 300 to 320 miles. Each Lightning battery is covered under warranty too!

——-

USA average electric rate

Average U.S. residential electricity prices will reach almost 15 cents/kWh in 2022 and 15.33 cents/kWh in 2023, according to the latest forecast from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.Nov 10, 20

——

100 kilowatts of electricity has an average cost of $15 today.

If there’s a home charger  near a utility that has installed new cheap $1,500 a kilowatt wind plants that produce 2 cents an hour electricity the juice might be as low as 5 cents a kilowatt  AT NIGHT.,   or $5 per 100 kw.

For the guy to use 100kw of juice and pay $56 the rate would be a whopping 56 cents per kilowatt hour.

But if was gas and got 23 miles per gallon he’d burn 10 gallons of gas at $4 and pay $40.

A standard Tesla has a 54 kw battery and it takes half the juice a big F-150 uses.  

So overnight charging is as low as $2.50 at home, and the usual Tesla station rates are 15 cents, so 230 miles would cost about $7.50.

Whatever the size or weight of the vehicle electricity  is three times more efficient  than gas to travel so many miles.

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Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 12:40 am » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 12:40 am

Ignore the insult.

The only thing really wrong with right wingers is they all try to agree with each other the most about things like electric cars, lithium batteries, and wind turbines.

I’ll never understand how, that I see the CEO of Ford candidly admitting problems and astonishingly pledging FMC electrics will use a Tesla charger.  How can a cynic see that as an admission electric cars suck?

I can’t imagine a 12.7 second ET and 0-60 in 4 second set of wheels.  They’d have to put a lot of traction controls to keep that one in a straight line.

And that’s the first production line mass market EV truck ever. All the other ones only get better, and cheaper too.

No gas engines, no transmissions.  Million mile electric motor on an axle with a 20 year battery that gets cheaper each year to replace.

$50,000 new today and $5,000 on the used lots in ten years.

Who wouldn’t want a free one?

And they’ll sell out until they improve it and sell out of those until it’s just another truck, it’s normal, it’s what all pickups are.

You instantly lose me with that "all right wingers" ****.
If either side could make claim to marching to the same drumbeat NO MATTER WHAT,
it would be leftie, prog, libs, etc.   Do you people ever break rank?

Even a decent, mother, wife, liberal, middle age, librarian would look at a tattooed tranny exposing himself to little girls and say, "That person isn't really hurting anyone; give him, I mean, they/them a chance."
Probably with the hint of a tear in her eye.

As always, you are a spineless piece of garbage. No offense . . . to the Hefty bag.
 
 
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 19 Aug 2023, 3:29 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 3:29 pm

BLAH BLAH BLAH..you've already proven beyond any doubt that you have no earthly idea of what you are talking about..

In the case of the E150..there's nothing revolutionary or Top Secret going on..so please stop pretending that you've got "Specially Privileged Information" about how GM and MOPAR are learning about what makes this FAILED NOTHING BURGER TICK in their underground labs    
The feasibility study of this E-150 application is nothing other than  very simple  math. ..with very well known, easy to access quantities that anyone has at their fingertips with Google....

what do YOU drive? 

DeezerShoove » 20 Aug 2023, 6:19 am » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:19 am

You instantly lose me with that "all right wingers" ****.
If either side could make claim to marching to the same drumbeat NO MATTER WHAT,
it would be leftie, prog, libs, etc.   Do you people ever break rank?

Even a decent, mother, wife, liberal, middle age, librarian would look at a tattooed tranny exposing himself to little girls and say, "That person isn't really hurting anyone; give him, I mean, they/them a chance."
Probably with the hint of a tear in her eye.

As always, you are a spineless piece of garbage. No offense . . . to the Hefty bag.

Right winger is far more polite than Trumptard.

Here are home charge costs for current EV Hellcat fast blast you back in the seat super muscle cars.


  
 

Imgreatagain » 20 Aug 2023, 9:37 am » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 9:37 am

what do YOU drive?

I love my 27 mpg on the freeway 2012 Chrysler 300S Hemi.  It does 0-60 in 6 seconds and the quarter in 13.8 and a new replacement is $50,000.

The 2023 Charger R/T is a fraction quicker, about the same money.
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The 5.7L V8 HEMI® engine is available only on the R/T trim This engine offers 370 horsepower with 395 lb-ft of torque. With this powerful HEMI® upgrade, you'll get a 0-60 mph of 5.2 seconds and a ¼ mile time of 13.7 seconds.
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Look at how quick a $33,000 (after rebate) Tesla goes:


We measured zero-to-60-mph acceleration at 3.5 seconds, 1.6 quicker than the rear-drive Long Range model tested earlier. The Model 3 Dual Motor Performance ran a quarter-mile in 12.1 seconds at 114 mph. We clocked the BMW M3—the performance bogie for Tesla—at 4.0 seconds to 60 mph and 12.2 in the quarter-mile. The other leading sports sedans have ranged between 3.6 and 3.9 seconds to 60 mph while running their quarter-miles in 11.9 to 12.2 seconds.
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Once me, you, or anybody owns a vehicle that operates on no more than 5 cents a mile and is crazy, stupid, ridiculous fast we aren’t going back to slower.

Electric vehicle performance  alone means gas vehicles are obsolete.

An electric is three times more efficient and direct motor to axle drive means all the toque gets to pavement.

I really appreciate the push to use more electricity, we just passed the 10 year mark for the wind turbines on the farm. Royalties double from year 10 to 11.

Just in case you were wondering where some of that money from wind turbines is going.

Keep up the good work Bruce!

Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 9:59 am » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 9:59 am

Right winger is far more polite than Trumptard.

Here are home charge costs for current EV Hellcat fast blast you back in the seat super muscle cars.

Bot.

Imgreatagain » 20 Aug 2023, 9:37 am » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 9:37 am

what do YOU drive?

1982 F-150 with 300 cubic inch 6 cylinder / 4 speed manual..owned since 1984 truck has 200,000 miles on it
1993 Jeep Cherokee XJ 240 cubic inch 6 cylinder ...owned since 1996...car has 400,000 miles on it
1978 Datsun 280 Z...347 Ford Motor Sports Stroker...TKO 500 5 speed trans...9 inch Ford rearend with Moser axles and Eaton Protrac with 4:10 gears...Nitto 325 x 15 X 12 wide rear tires....car weighs 2700 pounds..[I've never taken it to the track..probably good for mid 12's in the 1/4 mile] Car was restored in 2015
1977 John Deere 950 tractor with legendary Yanmar 3 cylinder...25 HP diesel engine
1965 Ford Falcon Ranchero with 351 Windsor...AFR Heads ..T5 "Z Spec" Trans...with Ford Explorer rear end [that I narrowed]..Moser Axles 4:10 gears..Eaton Protrac differential..car does 13.3 @ 105 MPH in the 1/4 mile with me grabbing the gears manually. Car was restored in 2018

Thanks for asking..yes I'm a Greaser....