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Trump Is Constitutionally Prohibited From the Presidency


This protection, embodied in the amendment's often-overlooked Section 3, automatically excludes from future office and position of power in the United States government—and also from any equivalent office and position of power in the sovereign states and their subdivisions—any person who has taken an oath to support ...


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**** in, **** out.

You need to stop eating ****.

In a new article for The Atlantic, retired former federal judge J. Michael Luttig and top legal scholar Laurence Tribe make the case that the Constitution includes a provision that disqualifies Donald Trump from holding public office again.



Section Three of the Fourteenth Amendment is also known as the “disqualification clause.” It’s only two sentences long but it could doom Trump’s bid to return to the White House.



The disqualification clause “forbids the former president from holding the office of the presidency again because of his conduct in and around January 6, 2021,” says Judge Luttig. And as Tribe points out, it’s not a sanction against an individual. “The framers of the 14th Amendment took great care not to treat this as a punishment … Nobody has a right to be president without meeting the qualifications.”



https://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/ ... 1177797850
 

The case that Donald Trump is legally banned from ... - Vox
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Aug 11, 2023 — “Former President Donald J. Trump is constitutionally disqualified from again being President (or holding any other covered office) because ...

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Conservative Case Emerges to Disqualify Trump for Role ...
The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › 2023/08/10 › trump-jan-6-in...
Aug 11, 2023 — Two prominent conservative law professors have concluded that Donald J. Trump is ineligible to be president under a provision of the ...

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Disqualification from Public Office Under the 14th Amendment
FindLaw
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Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment gives Congress the power to disqualify someone who has already held a public office from holding "any office" if they ...
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Opinion | Is Trump ineligible to run in 2024? The Supreme ...
Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › 2023/08/15 › trum...
4 days ago — If the Constitution bars Trump from the presidency, then he's not entitled to be on the ballot, and state election officials should keep him ...



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The Conservative Legal Roadmap to Disqualify Trump ...
New Republic
https://newrepublic.com › article › baude-paulsen-tru...
6 days ago — Written by law professors William Baude and Michael Stokes Paulsen, it argues that the moribund Reconstruction-era provision that disqualifies ...

14th AMENDMENT SECTION 3 automatically excludes from future office and position of power in the United States government no conviction of crime is necessary Trump excuted himself by appearing on screens all over the world on Jan 6th as the commander in chief of Insurrection the Trump way.

14th AMENDMENT SECTION 3 is self executing and Trump excuted himself by appearing on screens all over the world on Jan 6th as the commander in chief of Insurrection the Trump way.

Trump is clearly guilty of Treason ................

CRIME THUG BIDEN BROKE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, ARTICLE 4 SECTION 4, BY NOT GUARANTEEING THAT EACH STATE OF THE UNION WAS PROTECTED AGAINST INVASION BY FOREIGN NATIONS, REVOLUTIONARY FORCES, DRUG CARTELS AND UNCONTROLLED ILLEGAL ALIEN IMMIGRATION.

BOTH BIDEN AND HIS VP LUNATIC SHOULD BE IMPEACHED NOW

This was already tried in the media by every "constitutional scholar" and they came up goose egg.


Trump will be your 47th president, so get use to it

razoo » 19 Aug 2023, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 4:17 pm

Trump Is Constitutionally Prohibited From the Presidency

This protection, embodied in the amendment's often-overlooked Section 3, automatically excludes from future office and position of power in the United States government—and also from any equivalent office and position of power in the sovereign states and their subdivisions—any person who has taken an oath to support ...

10 hours agoTrump Is Constitutionally Prohibited From the Presidency

The Atlantic
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the Atlantic?



so tell us kazoo, how many constitutionalists are on payroll? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH....
 

TRump is done = get used to it and Fascist DeSantis has gone down the tubes because no one wants a united states of Florida

The Fake Republicans Have nothing to offer though I think ALEC will try to bring Liz Cheney forward who will kick the Trump butt however she is still a Cheney  = no way jose'.

razoo » 19 Aug 2023, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 4:17 pm

Trump Is Constitutionally Prohibited From the Presidency

This protection, embodied in the amendment's often-overlooked Section 3, automatically excludes from future office and position of power in the United States government—and also from any equivalent office and position of power in the sovereign states and their subdivisions—any person who has taken an oath to support ...

10 hours agoTrump Is Constitutionally Prohibited From the Presidency

The Atlantic
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Are you claiming Trump gave aid & comfort to Democrats?
 

golfboy » 19 Aug 2023, 8:06 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 8:06 pm

Are you claiming Trump gave aid & comfort to Democrats?

NO.......

Them dang Demonrats are wasting a lot of political clout then; all of these indictments are nothing but a ploy to get rid of Trump via dwindling support...all they have to do is invoke the 14th. Why haven't they?

Trump and his worshippers are screwing each other ......when Trump lies they lie

razoo » 19 Aug 2023, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 4:17 pm

Trump Is Constitutionally Prohibited From the Presidency

This protection, embodied in the amendment's often-overlooked Section 3, automatically excludes from future office and position of power in the United States government—and also from any equivalent office and position of power in the sovereign states and their subdivisions—any person who has taken an oath to support ...

10 hours agoTrump Is Constitutionally Prohibited From the Presidency

The Atlantic
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This is all we need to know. However any republican candidate will pardon all Jan 6th criminals ........

Warcok » 19 Aug 2023, 5:23 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 5:23 pm

This was already tried in the media by every "constitutional scholar" and they came up goose egg.

Trump will be your 47th president, so get use to it

if he gets convicted he won't get security clearance and cannot get classified documents etc
 

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978
Establishes preservation requirements for official business conducted using non-official electronic messaging accounts: any individual creating Presidential records must not use non-official electronic messaging accounts unless that individual copies an official account as the message is created or forwards a complete copy of the record to an official messaging account. (A similar provision in the Federal Records Act applies to federal agencies.)
Prevents an individual who has been convicted of a crime related to the review, retention, removal, or destruction of records from being given access to any original records.
 
https://www.archives.gov/presidential-l ... 8-act.html 
 

jerrab » 22 Aug 2023, 4:17 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2023, 4:17 am

if he gets convicted he won't get security clearance and cannot get classified documents etc

If he is elected again, HE decides who gets security clearance because his clearance is constitutional as Commander in Chief.  Just how **** stupid are you?
 

ConsRule » 22 Aug 2023, 7:16 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2023, 7:16 am

If he is elected again, HE decides who gets security clearance because his clearance is constitutional as Commander in Chief.  Just how **** stupid are you?

You are helping to make the case for the extreme conservatives who want Trump barred from federal office.

The farthest right legal scholars don’t bend the constitution to elect Republicans.  They hate liberals and Democrats, but they do use a system.

First, they’ll read the law:

Section 3 Disqualification from Holding OfficeNo person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

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What does that say, in plain English?

If you are an office holder that took an oath to support the Constitution—(President Trump)

Shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the (Constitution) or given aid or comfort to the enemies of the same—-

—-

Trump was indicted on four federal felony charges Tuesday that centered on his supposed attempts to discount legitimate votes in the 2020 presidential race and subvert the election itself. The indictment describes how Trump and his lawyers pressured Pence to overturn Joe Biden's victory by refusing to certify the results in the Senate on Jan. 6, 2021. Pence refused and had to be evacuated from the Senate chamber when members of the Jan. 6 mob called for him to be hung.
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Then Trump can’t be President without 2/3 vote of Congress.

The conservative only looks at the text.

But, should you get to the intent of Congress right after the civil war they’d build a gallows for Trump.

The 14th amendment was written expressly to prevent a Trump from being in government again, passing out pardons and determining security clearances.

That intent is the worst thing for Trump.  They would have hung Trump high for treason.

 
 

Bruce » 22 Aug 2023, 7:35 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2023, 7:35 am

You are helping to make the case for the extreme conservatives who want Trump barred from federal office.

The farthest right legal scholars don’t bend the constitution to elect Republicans.  They hate liberals and Democrats, but they do use a system.

First, they’ll read the law:

Section 3 Disqualification from Holding OfficeNo person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

——

What does that say, in plain English?

If you are an office holder that took an oath to support the Constitution—(President Trump)

Shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the (Constitution) or given aid or comfort to the enemies of the same—-

—-

Trump was indicted on four federal felony charges Tuesday that centered on his supposed attempts to discount legitimate votes in the 2020 presidential race and subvert the election itself. The indictment describes how Trump and his lawyers pressured Pence to overturn Joe Biden's victory by refusing to certify the results in the Senate on Jan. 6, 2021. Pence refused and had to be evacuated from the Senate chamber when members of the Jan. 6 mob called for him to be hung.
——

Then Trump can’t be President without 2/3 vote of Congress.

The conservative only looks at the text.

But, should you get to the intent of Congress right after the civil war they’d build a gallows for Trump.

The 14th amendment was written expressly to prevent a Trump from being in governed again, passing out pardons and determining security clearances.

That intent is the worst thing for Trump.  They would have hung Trump high for treason.

The 14th play was tried against several candidates for lower offices and every attempt was laughed out of court.  A primary issue, the FBI (who ran the investigation) does not refer the event as an insurrection.  Nobody has been charged with insurrection.  While not a requirement, those factors are considered.  There are also legal and constitutional scholars who (basically) say those supporting the theory are idiots.

By the way, Trump can be charged with, and convicted of, 15,000 felonies...that would not keep him from running for office and serving if elected.

ConsRule » 22 Aug 2023, 7:41 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2023, 7:41 am

The 14th play was tried against several candidates for lower offices and every attempt was laughed out of court.  A primary issue, the FBI (who ran the investigation) does not refer the event as an insurrection.  Nobody has been charged with insurrection.  While not a requirement, those factors are considered.  There are also legal and constitutional scholars who (basically) say those supporting the theory are idiots.

By the way, Trump can be charged with, and convicted of, 15,000 felonies...that would not keep him from running for office and serving if elected.

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment does exist. It means something.  

Trump was a sworn office holder.  He was President.

The Yankees who wrote the 14th required defeated states to join in passing it because, the Yankees never considered the Civil War as an actual war, but a failed insurrection and rebellion.
 
It cost 300,000 dead United States soldiers four years to put that one down.

If you look at Congressional intent they intended never **** again.