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The NY Slimes Now Calling to Eliminate Elections
The NY Slimes Now Calling to Eliminate Elections
By golfboy
22 Aug 2023 7:18 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
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22 Aug 2023 7:18 pm
22 Aug 2023 7:21 pm
22 Aug 2023 7:27 pm
That’s Trump’s platform.
22 Aug 2023 7:28 pm
Why do you keep blaming Trump for what liberals say, and do?
Why not be proud and own it, since you support them?
22 Aug 2023 7:34 pm
I read the article.. in theory, I guess it would be ok. In reality... zero chance of ever happening in the near future. This would have been better packaged as a dystopian science fiction novel.
22 Aug 2023 7:37 pm
f you think that sounds anti-democratic, think again. The ancient Greeks invented democracy, and in Athens many government officials were selected through sortition — a random lottery from a pool of candidates. In the United States, we already use a version of a lottery to select jurors. What if we did the same with mayors, governors, legislators, justices and even presidents?
People expect leaders chosen at random to be less effective than those picked systematically. But in multiple experiments led by the psychologist Alexander Haslam, the opposite held true. Groups actually made smarter decisions when leaders were chosen at random than when they were elected by a group or chosen based on leadership skill.
Why were randomly chosen leaders more effective? They led more democratically. “Systematically selected leaders can undermine group goals,” Dr. Haslam and his colleagues suggest, because they have a tendency to “assert their personal superiority.” When you’re anointed by the group, it can quickly go to your head: I’m the chosen one.
When you know you’re picked at random, you don’t experience enough power to be corrupted by it. Instead, you feel a heightened sense of responsibility: I did nothing to earn this, so I need to make sure I represent the group well. And in one of the Haslam experiments, when a leader was picked at random, members were more likely to stand by the group’s decisions.
Over the past year I’ve floated the idea of sortition with a number of current members of Congress. Their immediate concern is ability: How do we make sure that citizens chosen randomly are capable of governing?
In ancient Athens, people had a choice about whether to participate in the lottery. They also had to pass an examination of their capacity to exercise public rights and duties. In America, imagine that anyone who wants to enter the pool has to pass a civics test — the same standard as immigrants applying for citizenship. We might wind up with leaders who understand the Constitution.
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The Amish chose bishops by that method.
Two or three young men are nominated by the congregation. They must elect to serve. If they do, then the bishop puts their names in bibles, and mixes up the Bibles.
The young men pick up bibles until one picks up a Bible with his name in it.
He’s the Bishop, until the congregation wants another.
22 Aug 2023 7:47 pm
Thanks for proving me right, when I said liberals hate America and want to end elections.Bruce » 22 Aug 2023, 7:37 pm » wrote: ↑ f you think that sounds anti-democratic, think again. The ancient Greeks invented democracy, and in Athens many government officials were selected through sortition — a random lottery from a pool of candidates. In the United States, we already use a version of a lottery to select jurors. What if we did the same with mayors, governors, legislators, justices and even presidents?
People expect leaders chosen at random to be less effective than those picked systematically. But in multiple experiments led by the psychologist Alexander Haslam, the opposite held true. Groups actually made smarter decisions when leaders were chosen at random than when they were elected by a group or chosen based on leadership skill.
Why were randomly chosen leaders more effective? They led more democratically. “Systematically selected leaders can undermine group goals,” Dr. Haslam and his colleagues suggest, because they have a tendency to “assert their personal superiority.” When you’re anointed by the group, it can quickly go to your head: I’m the chosen one.
When you know you’re picked at random, you don’t experience enough power to be corrupted by it. Instead, you feel a heightened sense of responsibility: I did nothing to earn this, so I need to make sure I represent the group well. And in one of the Haslam experiments, when a leader was picked at random, members were more likely to stand by the group’s decisions.
Over the past year I’ve floated the idea of sortition with a number of current members of Congress. Their immediate concern is ability: How do we make sure that citizens chosen randomly are capable of governing?
In ancient Athens, people had a choice about whether to participate in the lottery. They also had to pass an examination of their capacity to exercise public rights and duties. In America, imagine that anyone who wants to enter the pool has to pass a civics test — the same standard as immigrants applying for citizenship. We might wind up with leaders who understand the Constitution.
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The Amish chose bishops by that method.
Two or three young men are nominated by the congregation. They must elect to serve. If they do, then the bishop puts their names in bibles, and mixes up the Bibles.
The young men pick up bibles until one picks up a Bible with his name in it.
He’s the Bishop, until the congregation wants another.
22 Aug 2023 8:08 pm
Decent, well read, well educated, normal people discuss Ancient Greek democracy.golfboy » 22 Aug 2023, 7:47 pm » wrote: ↑ Thanks for proving me right, when I said liberals hate America and want to end elections.
That doesn’t mean 38 states will agree to amend the constitution.
It does hold promise for committees in Congress.
In my Christian Church growing up, the leader was the Superintendent of the Elders.
He was chosen in secret by the Elders, who also chose a First Elder as sort of a Vice President.
Elders were selected by the elders choosing to extend an invitation to a young deacon, who could elect or decline service as an elder.
How this was enforced was the doors were always unlocked.
Anybody could enter, or leave at any time. No one was ever expelled.
When the flock diminished the preacher was fired and another hired.
22 Aug 2023 8:21 pm
We need to use fascism to get rid of dimocratism.
Then after we exterminated that domestic terrorist group we can go back to a democratic republic.
Then after we exterminated that domestic terrorist group we can go back to a democratic republic.
22 Aug 2023 9:24 pm
Well read, because you actually followed a link I provided?Bruce » 22 Aug 2023, 8:08 pm » wrote: ↑ Decent, well read, well educated, normal people discuss Ancient Greek democracy.
That doesn’t mean 38 states will agree to amend the constitution.
It does hold promise for committees in Congress.
In my Christian Church growing up, the leader was the Superintendent of the Elders.
He was chosen in secret by the Elders, who also chose a First Elder as sort of a Vice President.
Elders were selected by the elders choosing to extend an invitation to a young deacon, who could elect or decline service as an elder.
How this was enforced was the doors were always unlocked.
Anybody could enter, or leave at any time. No one was ever expelled.
When the flock diminished the preacher was fired and another hired.
You knew NOTHING about Greek history regarding their election systems, until I provided you a link.
And your old church has nothing to do with eliminating American's right to vote.
22 Aug 2023 9:33 pm
22 Aug 2023 10:23 pm
rudderless ship comes to mind...floating around in a mined estuary.Sumela » 22 Aug 2023, 9:33 pm » wrote: ↑ America is a wreck.
The Multi-Polar world has arrived
and the Empire is floundering
22 Aug 2023 10:31 pm
These six things doth the LORD hate: Yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, Feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, And he that soweth discord among brethren.sunburn » 22 Aug 2023, 10:23 pm » wrote: ↑ rudderless ship comes to mind...floating around in a mined estuary.
aka...WASH DC
22 Aug 2023 10:37 pm
whew, guilty of only one! at least that I know of. The Lord might think otherwise...and it's his ball game.Sumela » 22 Aug 2023, 10:31 pm » wrote: ↑ These six things doth the LORD hate: Yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, Feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, And he that soweth discord among brethren.
aka...WASH DC
22 Aug 2023 10:38 pm
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Thanks for sharing that information with me...I'll keep it in mind in case it ever come up in conversation.
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ultraliberals are not happy unless they are obsessing about something.
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22 Aug 2023 10:42 pm
sunburn » 22 Aug 2023, 10:37 pm » wrote: ↑ whew, guilty of only one! at least that I know of. The Lord might think otherwise...and it's his ball game.
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