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I know there is a lot of fake news going on; therefore, it's difficult to find out what is really happening. However, things are really looking like the elite had something to do with this ****. Yeah yeah yeah...I know that I am one of the most prolific conspiracy theorists on this site. Nonetheless, that doesn't make me wrong. It's too early to conclude anything, but I will be following this. 

Vegas » 03 Sep 2023, 9:50 am » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 9:50 am

I know there is a lot of fake news going on; therefore, it's difficult to find out what is really happening. However, things are really looking like the elite had something to do with this ****. Yeah yeah yeah...I know that I am one of the most prolific conspiracy theorists on this site. Nonetheless, that doesn't make me wrong. It's too early to conclude anything, but I will be following this.

no conspiracy needed...it's a small sample of the coming apocalypse...signs, birthing pangs...

   
 

Vegas » 03 Sep 2023, 9:50 am » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 9:50 am

I know there is a lot of fake news going on; therefore, it's difficult to find out what is really happening. However, things are really looking like the elite had something to do with this ****. Yeah yeah yeah...I know that I am one of the most prolific conspiracy theorists on this site. Nonetheless, that doesn't make me wrong. It's too early to conclude anything, but I will be following this.

Well, WASH DC/Elites lies so much and hides so many crimes....

that leads to our suspicion of them acting criminally.

I mean....they blew up an ally's pipeline sending Germany into a deep recession.
 
 

Sumela » 03 Sep 2023, 12:04 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 12:04 pm

Well, WASH DC/Elites lies so much and hides so many crimes....

that leads to our suspicion of them acting criminally.

I mean....they blew up an ally's pipeline sending Germany into a deep recession.
 

They definitely lie incessantly, but recently they are just doing this openly. They aren't even trying to hide it all anymore. Oprah openly bought acres and acres of land in Maui, and none of her property was scorched, but everything around it burned to the ground. That kid that lost billions of bit coin was acquitted, he frequently gave to the dimocrats. They aren't trying to cover up the German pipeline; granted they aren't admitting to it, but they sure as hell aren't trying to cover it up either. They aren't making an effort to show how they use Ukraine and Zelenskyy as a medium to launder money. There are many more examples. They used to try and do this **** in the dark, now they just do it and couldn't care less if its obvious. 
 

Vegas » 03 Sep 2023, 12:10 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 12:10 pm

They definitely lie incessantly, but recently they are just doing this openly. They aren't even trying to hide it all anymore. Oprah openly bought acres and acres of land in Maui, and none of her property was scorched, but everything around it burned to the ground. That kid that lost billions of bit coin was acquitted, he frequently gave to the dimocrats. They aren't trying to cover up the German pipeline; granted they aren't admitting to it, but they sure as hell aren't trying to cover it up either. They aren't making an effort to show how they use Ukraine and Zelenskyy as a medium to launder money. There are many more examples. They used to try and do this **** in the dark, now they just do it and couldn't care less if its obvious.

WORD!

=13pxThey used to try and do this **** in the dark, now they just do it and couldn't care less if its obvious.

"'Pride comes before a fall""


 

Vegas » 03 Sep 2023, 12:10 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 12:10 pm

They definitely lie incessantly, but recently they are just doing this openly. They aren't even trying to hide it all anymore. Oprah openly bought acres and acres of land in Maui, and none of her property was scorched, but everything around it burned to the ground. That kid that lost billions of bit coin was acquitted, he frequently gave to the dimocrats. They aren't trying to cover up the German pipeline; granted they aren't admitting to it, but they sure as hell aren't trying to cover it up either. They aren't making an effort to show how they use Ukraine and Zelenskyy as a medium to launder money. There are many more examples. They used to try and do this **** in the dark, now they just do it and couldn't care less if its obvious.

I'M looking for corroboration of this .....
"Maui passed legislation just a few weeks ago that states that, in the case of a wildfire, the government can take your land. Strange timing for sure. This was passed before the fire."
have you heard anything ....?
 

Majik » 03 Sep 2023, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 12:31 pm

I'M looking for corroboration of this .....
"Maui passed legislation just a few weeks ago that states that, in the case of a wildfire, the government can take your land. Strange timing for sure. This was passed before the fire."
have you heard anything ....?

No, I didn't. Definitely worth looking into. 

Sumela » 03 Sep 2023, 12:21 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 12:21 pm

WORD!

=13pxThey used to try and do this **** in the dark, now they just do it and couldn't care less if its obvious.

"'Pride comes before a fall""

It's like they know they will never lose another election ....no matter what they do now....
and that by far should have everybody's alarm bells ringing....

 

Majik » 03 Sep 2023, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 12:31 pm

I'M looking for corroboration of this .....
"Maui passed legislation just a few weeks ago that states that, in the case of a wildfire, the government can take your land. Strange timing for sure. This was passed before the fire."
have you heard anything ....?

I’ve heard that too

that YouTube video seems to be getting debunked all over the internets

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-h ... 9166372581CLAIM: Hawaii recently passed a law that stipulates no new development can occur in the state unless a “natural disaster” occurs.

 AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The Associated Press found no evidence of such a measure being approved in Hawaii. Officials and experts said they had never heard of such a law. The governor recently signed an emergency proclamation to address the state’s affordable housing crisis, but that measure does not concern natural disasters.THE FACTS: As misinformation swirls around the Maui wildfires, a popular video spreading on social media is falsely claiming the state had recently changed the law to allow new development only in the event of a natural disaster.

 

Vegas » 03 Sep 2023, 9:50 am » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 9:50 am

I know there is a lot of fake news going on; therefore, it's difficult to find out what is really happening. However, things are really looking like the elite had something to do with this ****. Yeah yeah yeah...I know that I am one of the most prolific conspiracy theorists on this site. Nonetheless, that doesn't make me wrong. It's too early to conclude anything, but I will be following this.

They have actual video of the fire starting.  High winds caused a power line to fall. 

I don't know why we have above ground power lines.  Other developed countries have buried power lines, and they don't have this problem.

New video reveals possible cause of Maui wildfires 

The security footage captured by a bird sanctuary in Maui has emerged as key evidence pointing to fallen utility lines as the possible cause of the wildfires

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 94552.html

 Devastating wildfires that have claimed more than a hundred lives and destroyed swaths of the Hawaiian island of Maui may have been caused by a tree falling on power lines.

Security video shared by a bird sanctuary in Maui captured a flash of light around 11pm local time on 7 August, followed by a bright flame that continued to burn.The new footage has emerged as key evidence pointing to fallen utility lines as the possible cause of the wildfires, The Associated Press reported.

 Jennifer Pribble, a senior research coordinator at the Maui Bird Conservation Center, gave more information about the video that was posted on Hawaii’s Department of Land Natural Resources Instagram account.

"I think that is when a tree is falling on a power line," Ms Pribble said. "The power goes out, our generator kicks in, the camera comes back online, and then the forest is on fire."

https://youtu.be/0LBvBgkAMNY?

 
 

Mrkelly » 03 Sep 2023, 3:14 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 3:14 pm

I’ve heard that too

that YouTube video seems to be getting debunked all over the internets

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-h ... 9166372581CLAIM: Hawaii recently passed a law that stipulates no new development can occur in the state unless a “natural disaster” occurs.

 AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The Associated Press found no evidence of such a measure being approved in Hawaii. Officials and experts said they had never heard of such a law. The governor recently signed an emergency proclamation to address the state’s affordable housing crisis, but that measure does not concern natural disasters.THE FACTS: As misinformation swirls around the Maui wildfires, a popular video spreading on social media is falsely claiming the state had recently changed the law to allow new development only in the event of a natural disaster.

Hawaii Governor Signs Emergency Proclamation Addressing Housing Crisis

AUGUST 9, 2023

https://csgwest.org/2023/08/09/hawaii-g ... ng-crisis/

it may not concern natural disasters but where would they build 6000 new units a year for a total of 50000 new units over 5 years when there is a land shortage and also when an annual income of 252000 a year is needed to afford a new home ?
and also while native Hawaiian's compromise 40% of the homeless population ....
Something smells with the timing of this proclamation and all of the failures and craziness by authorities during the wildfire ....
- like not sounding the alarm....
- shutting the water off based on equity during the fire...
- the electrical company not shutting of power to their transmission lines ...
- the police blocking people from fleeing...
etc...

Just saying...

 
 

OdeToJoy » 03 Sep 2023, 3:25 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 3:25 pm

They have actual video of the fire starting.  High winds caused a power line to fall. 

I don't know why we have above ground power lines.  Other developed countries have buried power lines, and they don't have this problem.

New video reveals possible cause of Maui wildfires 

The security footage captured by a bird sanctuary in Maui has emerged as key evidence pointing to fallen utility lines as the possible cause of the wildfires

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 94552.html

 Devastating wildfires that have claimed more than a hundred lives and destroyed swaths of the Hawaiian island of Maui may have been caused by a tree falling on power lines.

Security video shared by a bird sanctuary in Maui captured a flash of light around 11pm local time on 7 August, followed by a bright flame that continued to burn.The new footage has emerged as key evidence pointing to fallen utility lines as the possible cause of the wildfires, The Associated Press reported.

 Jennifer Pribble, a senior research coordinator at the Maui Bird Conservation Center, gave more information about the video that was posted on Hawaii’s Department of Land Natural Resources Instagram account.

"I think that is when a tree is falling on a power line," Ms Pribble said. "The power goes out, our generator kicks in, the camera comes back online, and then the forest is on fire."

https://youtu.be/0LBvBgkAMNY?

And where is the fire department in that video where the fire looks small and easily manageable .....? 
 

Majik » 03 Sep 2023, 5:58 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 5:58 pm

Hawaii Governor Signs Emergency Proclamation Addressing Housing Crisis

AUGUST 9, 2023

https://csgwest.org/2023/08/09/hawaii-g ... ng-crisis/

it may not concern natural disasters but where would they build 6000 new units a year for a total of 50000 new units over 5 years when there is a land shortage and also when an annual income of 252000 a year is needed to afford a new home ?
and also while native Hawaiian's compromise 40% of the homeless population ....
Something smells with the timing of this proclamation and all of the failures and craziness by authorities during the wildfire ....
- like not sounding the alarm....
- shutting the water off based on equity during the fire...
- the electrical company not shutting of power to their transmission lines ...
- the police blocking people from fleeing...
etc...

Just saying...

Lots of **** up **** happened 

but if you don’t keep it to the facts (like the ones you listed)

all will get lost in the shuffle 
 

Mrkelly » 03 Sep 2023, 6:12 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 6:12 pm

Lots of **** up **** happened 

but if you don’t keep it to the facts (like the ones you listed)

all will get lost in the shuffle

Yes, that is why I asked for corroboration ....
Facts matter....
 

Majik » 03 Sep 2023, 6:02 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2023, 6:02 pm

And where is the fire department in that video where the fire looks small and easily manageable .....?

​​​Bird Conservation Centers are out in the forest.  Usually a considerable distance from fire departments.


"The power goes out, our generator kicks in, the camera comes back online, and then the forest is on fire."