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"A court in Alberta, Canada, sentenced Pastor Artur Pawlowski on Monday to 60 days in prison for a speech to Freedom Convoy truckers in February 2022 in which he supported their protests against repressive lockdown, vaccine, and other mandates related to the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic."

https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2023/09 ... rs-heroes/
 

Communist Canada! who would've thunk!

roadkill » 19 Sep 2023, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 10:45 am

"A court in Alberta, Canada, sentenced Pastor Artur Pawlowski on Monday to 60 days in prison for a speech to Freedom Convoy truckers in February 2022 in which he supported their protests against repressive lockdown, vaccine, and other mandates related to the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic."

https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2023/09 ... rs-heroes/

It's hard to believe how screwed up the world has gotten......
but it's not hard to believe how the breaking point will be reached and what the consequences will be.

LIBERAL FASCISTS demonstrating what happens to any dissenters who dare violate their  "HATE SPEECH CODES" .

Somewhere George Orwell is shaking his head at us and saying...."I tried to warn you guys".
 

Seem to be a lot of freedom loving nations sending citizens to jail for speech these days. I blame Ukraine. If you hold that nation up as a model for democracy this is predictably what you get.

RebelGator » 19 Sep 2023, 10:58 am » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 10:58 am

It's hard to believe how screwed up the world has gotten......
but it's not hard to believe how the breaking point will be reached and what the consequences will be.

Evil wants to rule the world.

Neo » 19 Sep 2023, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 11:12 am

Seem to be a lot of freedom loving nations sending citizens to jail for speech these days. I blame Ukraine. If you hold that nation up as a model for democracy this is predictably what you get.

This woman witnessed 10 times more of what actually happaned than any of the people who threw her in prison for speaking her mind.

Germany again jails 93-year-old woman for Holocaust denial | The Times of Israel


 

Canada does not **** around with vaccine deniers.

Canada has freedom of true speech in public.


For example, denying the Holocaust is a crime as well as denying the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

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Canadians have long stood by the Jewish people. And this alliance has only grown stronger with the latest Canadian legislation to combat the rising anti-Semitism seen not just in Canada, but around the globe. CTV’s Marie Woolf reports that denying the Holocaust — and downplaying the Nazis’ murder of 6 million Jews during this dark chapter in history — will now be a criminal offense in Canada:

Holocaust denial is to be outlawed in Canada, in a further effort to stamp out rising anti-Semitism.

The federal government is set to make it a criminal offence to make a statement denying the Holocaust took place or condoning or downplaying the killing of Jews by the Nazi regime, except in a private conversation…

http://www.ifcj.ca/site/News2?page=News ... _ctrl=1321

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What social purpose is served by hateful lies?

GHETTOBLASTER » 19 Sep 2023, 11:39 am » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 11:39 am

This woman witnessed 10 times more of what actually happaned than any of the people who threw her in prison for speaking her mind.

Germany again jails 93-year-old woman for Holocaust denial | The Times of Israel

The Holocaust happened. Denying or downplaying it shouldn't be illegal. 
 

roadkill » 19 Sep 2023, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 10:45 am

"A court in Alberta, Canada, sentenced Pastor Artur Pawlowski on Monday to 60 days in prison for a speech to Freedom Convoy truckers in February 2022 in which he supported their protests against repressive lockdown, vaccine, and other mandates related to the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic."

https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2023/09 ... rs-heroes/

Nothing says democracy like locking people in prison for speaking their opinions.

That's some fine freedom and liberty I tell ya!
 

Bruce » 19 Sep 2023, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 11:54 am

Canada does not **** around with vaccine deniers.

Canada has freedom of true speech in public.

For example, denying the Holocaust is a crime as well as denying the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.
What social purpose is served by hateful lies?

Who decides what is true? Dissenting views should be available in the public discourse to determine their merit. Forbidding topics under penalty of law is not only draconian, it feeds into the conspiracy. "There must be some truth in the viewpoint or it wouldn't be illegal to discuss in public". 
 

RedheadedStranger » 19 Sep 2023, 11:57 am » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 11:57 am

Nothing says democracy like locking people in prison for speaking their opinions.

That's some fine freedom and liberty I tell ya!

Canada has become an Authoritarian State.   

The great reset is upon us. It's scary how easy it is to control the masses. The total population of the West combined is about 1 billion people. The elitist probably make up barely a few thousand. Yet, they manipulated all of us into their little pen. 

I would agree with this conviction if he had led a riot or some action such as that would stop traffic or not let public employees do their jobs. However, his speeches were pretty benign and did not cause any real deterrence to anyone's life. If someone had been nearby, they could have easily walked on by and been unaffected. It is strange that they were able to get a conviction on the charge of mischief.

Neo » 19 Sep 2023, 11:58 am » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 11:58 am

Who decides what is true? Dissenting views should be available in the public discourse to determine their merit. Forbidding topics under penalty of law is not only draconian, it feeds into the conspiracy. "There must be some truth in the viewpoint or it wouldn't be illegal to discuss in public".

I don’t agree with it because I was raised an American.

But virtually all extreme right wing ideology is mostly fabricated hate, if not exaggerations. 

Bruce » 19 Sep 2023, 2:31 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 2:31 pm

I don’t agree with it because I was raised an American.

But virtually all extreme right wing ideology is mostly fabricated hate, if not exaggerations.

Not seeing the hate. Women are born women and; as biologically weaker, deserve protection. Immigration is needed, illegal immigration gives billions to narco terrorists. Again not seeing hate. Abortion murders innocent children. We need to limit murders the State sanctions. 

Not one of these stances is based on hate.
 
 

Neo » 19 Sep 2023, 2:36 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 2:36 pm

Not seeing the hate. Women are born women and; as biologically weaker, deserve protection. Immigration is needed, illegal immigration gives billions to narco terrorists. Again not seeing hate. Abortion murders innocent children. We need to limit murders the State sanctions. 

Not one of these stances is based on hate.

There are about 10% of people born left handed and the right wing Trumptards don’t hate on them.

And Joe Biden is catching more illegals than any President in history and gets no thanks for it.


 
Republicans just want to lie about stuff.

Lucky they aren’t in Canada where that **** is not tolerated.

Bruce » 19 Sep 2023, 4:09 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 4:09 pm

There are about 10% of people born left handed and the right wing Trumptards don’t hate on them.

Lucky they aren’t in Canada where that **** is not tolerated.

Glad you agree there is a danger in politically controlled speech. The nips would have us post partum abort left handers and jail those that came to their defense. More left handed Americans than gender confused.... think the message they are being sold bull **** is protected speech. 
 

Bruce » 19 Sep 2023, 2:31 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 2:31 pm

I don’t agree with it because I was raised an American.

But virtually all extreme right wing ideology is mostly fabricated hate, if not exaggerations.

You mean lies like there are zero superiorities or inferiorities that generally exist between the races...?
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 19 Sep 2023, 5:25 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 5:25 pm

You mean lies like there are zero superiorities or inferiorities that generally exist between the races...?

Every Christian is taught that every soul is born a perfect child of God, and a blank sheet of paper.

Is that religious concept actually true?

Scientifically, there just is no way to prove how much human  behavior is nurture versus nature.

Practically though. if governments allow too much racism, bigotry, mysoginism and hatred you may wind up with a Fourth Reich.

  If governments punish it too much it winds up a woke left wing tyranny.