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Bruce » 19 Sep 2023, 8:06 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 8:06 pm

Every Christian is taught that every soul is born a perfect child of God…

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Bruce » 19 Sep 2023, 8:06 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 8:06 pm

Every Christian is taught that every soul is born a perfect child of God, and a blank sheet of paper.

Is that religious concept actually true?

Scientifically, there just is no way to prove how much human  behavior is nurture versus nature.

Practically though. if governments allow too much racism, bigotry, mysoginism and hatred you may wind up with a Fourth Reich.

  If governments punish it too much it winds up a woke left wing tyranny.

It's OK for White Guilt Libtards to admit under their breath that there are obvious evolutionary  inferiorities and superiorities that exist between the races.
This by definition IS RACISM...which is perfectly OK....because  RACISM IS REALISM.
Funny thing is....White Guilt Libtards  have been brainwashed since birth to believe that no intellectual differences could  possibly exist at the evolutionary level between the races.
In their brainwashed minds evolutionary differences could have only happened from the neck down....
 

 
 

roadkill » 19 Sep 2023, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 10:45 am

"A court in Alberta, Canada, sentenced Pastor Artur Pawlowski on Monday to 60 days in prison for a speech to Freedom Convoy truckers in February 2022 in which he supported their protests against repressive lockdown, vaccine, and other mandates related to the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic."

https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2023/09 ... rs-heroes/

Let's say the pastor was a black man.  And, that instead of covid vaccine protests, these were BLM protesters.  And, as part of these BLM protests, the black pastor was telling people to use their vehicles to block all of I-10.  Backing traffic up for a hundred miles.  Stopping emergency vehicles from accessing hospitals. And, causing mayhem for anyone stuck on I-10 or trying to go about their business in a normal fashion.  I would want the black pastor arrested and tried for causing mayhem and disorderly conduct, maybe even wrongful detention of innocent people.

Oh, and remember, in Canada, unlike the U.S.A., Freedom of expression is protected as a "fundamental freedom" by section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, however unlike the Constitution, the Charter permits the government to enforce "reasonable" limits censoring speech.  

Are you saying that the U.S. should force its Constitutional freedoms upon the citizens of Canada?
 
 

Skans » 20 Sep 2023, 9:12 am » wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2023, 9:12 am

Let's say the pastor was a black man.  And, that instead of covid vaccine protests, these were BLM protesters.  And, as part of these BLM protests, the black pastor was telling people to use their vehicles to block all of I-10.  Backing traffic up for a hundred miles.  Stopping emergency vehicles from accessing hospitals. And, causing mayhem for anyone stuck on I-10 or trying to go about their business in a normal fashion.  I would want the black pastor arrested and tried for causing mayhem and disorderly conduct, maybe even wrongful detention of innocent people.

Oh, and remember, in Canada, unlike the U.S.A., Freedom of expression is protected as a "fundamental freedom" by section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, however unlike the Constitution, the Charter permits the government to enforce "reasonable" limits censoring speech.  

Are you saying that the U.S. should force its Constitutional freedoms upon the citizens of Canada?

Canada is much worse than our country but the left wants to change that and abuse citizens who don't agree with their ideology.
 

roadkill » 20 Sep 2023, 11:38 am » wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2023, 11:38 am

Canada is much worse than our country but the left wants to change that and abuse citizens who don't agree with their ideology.

I understand that.  However, I never felt it was right when BLM protesters were standing in the middle of highways shutting them down. 

I believe that people, even Canadians, have a right to freely voice their opinion on topics, but they do not have the right to encourage people to park their vehicles in the middle of a highway to obstruct others just to make a point.
 

Skans » 20 Sep 2023, 12:36 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2023, 12:36 pm

I understand that.  However, I never felt it was right when BLM protesters were standing in the middle of highways shutting them down. 

I believe that people, even Canadians, have a right to freely voice their opinion on topics, but they do not have the right to encourage people to park their vehicles in the middle of a highway to obstruct others just to make a point.

In that case it was more than a choice...the Canadian government was forcing them to comply...OR ELSE.

Skans » 20 Sep 2023, 12:36 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2023, 12:36 pm

I understand that.  However, I never felt it was right when BLM protesters were standing in the middle of highways shutting them down. 

I believe that people, even Canadians, have a right to freely voice their opinion on topics, but they do not have the right to encourage people to park their vehicles in the middle of a highway to obstruct others just to make a point.

do you believe Canada has the right to lock up their money?
I don't.... now you're getting into some serious sheet!       it can be you next- and it WILL BE!
 

roadkill » 20 Sep 2023, 12:41 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2023, 12:41 pm

In that case it was more than a choice...the Canadian government was forcing them to comply...OR ELSE.
 

One thing has nothing to do with the other. 

The Canadian government was wrong, and there are ways to fight that and speak out against it.  On the other hand, I can't justifiably say that BLM protesters are acting illegally when standing in the street protesting and then give the Trucker protesters a pass on essentially the same thing. That's hypocritical. 
 

sootedupCyndi » 20 Sep 2023, 12:41 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2023, 12:41 pm

do you believe Canada has the right to lock up their money?
I don't.... now you're getting into some serious sheet! :   :   :  it can be you next- and it WILL BE!

Canada probably does have that right - don't know for sure.  But, Canada is not a free country.  Canada was where all of the British Loyalists fled to after Washington's army beat their bloody asses.  I never have high expectations from Canada or Canadians when it comes to freedom.


 

Skans » 20 Sep 2023, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2023, 12:54 pm

One thing has nothing to do with the other. 

The Canadian government was wrong, and there are ways to fight that and speak out against it.  On the other hand, I can't justifiably say that BLM protesters are acting illegally when standing in the street protesting and then give the Trucker protesters a pass on essentially the same thing. That's hypocritical.

The truckers protests are legit...BLM is a fraud organization.  

roadkill » 20 Sep 2023, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2023, 12:57 pm

The truckers protests are legit...BLM is a fraud organization.

It doesn't matter whether one group's gripe is legit and another group's gripe is bogus.  Its about the way they go about protesting.  Both groups use bodies and/or vehicles to stop traffic on public roads.  Either both groups are wrong for doing this, or you believe that both groups, BLM included, can appropriate public infrastructure to make a statement about something they don't like.
 

Skans » 20 Sep 2023, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2023, 1:36 pm

It doesn't matter whether one group's gripe is legit and another group's gripe is bogus.  Its about the way they go about protesting.  Both groups use bodies and/or vehicles to stop traffic on public roads.  Either both groups are wrong for doing this, or you believe that both groups, BLM included, can appropriate public infrastructure to make a statement about something they don't like.

The truckers did it for sound reasons of freedom...BLM...NOPE!

Bruce » 19 Sep 2023, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 11:54 am

Canada does not **** around with vaccine deniers.

Canada has freedom of true speech in public.

For example, denying the Holocaust is a crime as well as denying the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

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Canadians have long stood by the Jewish people. And this alliance has only grown stronger with the latest Canadian legislation to combat the rising anti-Semitism seen not just in Canada, but around the globe. CTV’s Marie Woolf reports that denying the Holocaust — and downplaying the Nazis’ murder of 6 million Jews during this dark chapter in history — will now be a criminal offense in Canada:

Holocaust denial is to be outlawed in Canada, in a further effort to stamp out rising anti-Semitism.

The federal government is set to make it a criminal offence to make a statement denying the Holocaust took place or condoning or downplaying the killing of Jews by the Nazi regime, except in a private conversation…

http://www.ifcj.ca/site/News2?page=News ... _ctrl=1321

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What social purpose is served by hateful lies?

When you give any government the right to make it a criminal offense to speak your mind

Because it goes against their narrative 

regardless of how stupid it is ... ie.. denying the holocaust 

you give them the power to shut any voice down 

all they have to do is say that anyone that speaks out against the government, is a criminal 

just because they can

not sure why you are fighting for such a dangerous practice 
 

sunburn » 19 Sep 2023, 10:53 am » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 10:53 am

Communist Canada! who would've thunk!

Canada sucks. **** pansies...

roadkill » 19 Sep 2023, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2023, 10:45 am

"A court in Alberta, Canada, sentenced Pastor Artur Pawlowski on Monday to 60 days in prison for a speech to Freedom Convoy truckers in February 2022 in which he supported their protests against repressive lockdown, vaccine, and other mandates related to the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic."

https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2023/09 ... rs-heroes/

  Too. ****. Bad.
He learned that religion and politics shouldn't mix. The hard way.
 

Squatchman » 20 Sep 2023, 9:38 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2023, 9:38 pm

  Too. ****. Bad.
He learned that religion and politics shouldn't mix. The hard way.

^^^^^^^^^^^^
wetback shrub chopper
 

The West is dying.

This much is clear.

Mrkelly » 20 Sep 2023, 4:09 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2023, 4:09 pm

When you give any government the right to make it a criminal offense to speak your mind

Because it goes against their narrative 

regardless of how stupid it is ... ie.. denying the holocaust 

you give them the power to shut any voice down 

all they have to do is say that anyone that speaks out against the government, is a criminal 

just because they can

not sure why you are fighting for such a dangerous practice

Yer talking to a fascist liberal who believes

power/control narratives supersede 

freedom of speech.    
 

Squatchman » 20 Sep 2023, 9:38 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2023, 9:38 pm

  Too. ****. Bad.
He learned that religion and politics shouldn't mix. The hard way.

But it's OK when the left cites religion. Squatch...if it wasn't for a double standard you'd have no standards at all.