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And They Want us to Pay These Teachers More?
And They Want us to Pay These Teachers More?
By golfboy
21 Sep 2023 6:56 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
22 Sep 2023 6:35 pm
"Couple that with lazier (or busier, depending on your view) parents and here we are."DeezerShoove » 22 Sep 2023, 6:33 pm » wrote: ↑ I just think schools have way over-stepped their bounds.
Long ago.
It became almost inevitable that they set themselves up as babysitters.
Couple that with lazier (or busier, depending on your view) parents and here we are.
Neither side serves the young very well it would seem. At least there is ammo for such an argument.
That would hit the nail on the head. When the students are not pushed to succeed at school by the parents.. it is little wonder that they do not care about it.
22 Sep 2023 6:37 pm
I've always thought anyone getting a government paycheck shouldn't be in a union.Str8tEdge » 22 Sep 2023, 6:30 pm » wrote: ↑ Ya but people dumb enough to join private sector unions, so be it. Public sector should not exist.
Because their union's direct adversary is me. And I don't have any **** say in the squabble.
Please seat yourself.
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22 Sep 2023 6:38 pm
I think both sides of that coin bear some of the blame. I did say "couple"...impartialobserver » 22 Sep 2023, 6:35 pm » wrote: ↑ "Couple that with lazier (or busier, depending on your view) parents and here we are."
That would hit the nail on the head. When the students are not pushed to succeed at school by the parents.. it is little wonder that they do not care about it.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
22 Sep 2023 6:39 pm
we have a public sector union here in NV. They call me twice per year and try to get me to join. Zero chance of that. If I remember right.. there are union dues. However, my general objection is that I find it ok that us public sector employees get paid less than our private sector counterparts. I could spell out why but going to spare you for now.DeezerShoove » 22 Sep 2023, 6:37 pm » wrote: ↑ I've always thought anyone getting a government paycheck shouldn't be in a union.
Because their union's direct adversary is me. And I don't have any **** say in the squabble.
22 Sep 2023 6:42 pm
Pension and medical coverage probably dwarfs private.impartialobserver » 22 Sep 2023, 6:39 pm » wrote: ↑ we have a public sector union here in NV. They call me twice per year and try to get me to join. Zero chance of that. If I remember right.. there are union dues. However, my general objection is that I find it ok that us public sector employees get paid less than our private sector counterparts. I could spell out why but going to spare you for now.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
22 Sep 2023 6:45 pm
DeezerShoove » 22 Sep 2023, 6:42 pm » wrote: ↑ Pension and medical coverage probably dwarfs private.
not by as much as you would think. Obviously depends on the occupations. My job title is economist. We make between 42K to 52k in NV. Our private sector counterparts in NV make on average 85K. In CA, they earn 96K per year.. Our pension/retirement is not as rich as it used to be. The previous Republican governor, Brian Sandoval, put the end to that... He brought the employer contribution down to 30%
22 Sep 2023 7:00 pm
I have proofread papers for soon-to-be-grads (for lack of a better term). Various folks.impartialobserver » 22 Sep 2023, 6:45 pm » wrote: ↑ not by as much as you would think. Obviously depends on the occupations. My job title is economist. We make between 42K to 52k in NV. Our private sector counterparts in NV make on average 85K. In CA, they earn 96K per year.. Our pension/retirement is not as rich as it used to be. The previous Republican governor, Brian Sandoval, put the end to that... He brought the employer contribution down to 30%
A professor I know had me read for her a few times. Any port in a storm, I guess...
She was published, smart, had years of experience, a woman, etc. What's not to love?
Tenure was not her #1 goal at all. Even being properly considered would be nice according to her.
She was denied and could only attribute that slap to not holding the proper political views.
Maybe she wasn't in scathing agreement with the Trump haters or something.
Not being entirely sure what tenure entails, I didn't press her past her our commentary.
She was all in for the students. That much I can attest to.
Where she ended up was being resigned to the status quo and retiring untenured.
Tenure is another self-serving goal sidetracking people from their one purpose.
I'm sure you could easily fill in the gaps or correct my synopsis.
Please seat yourself.
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I like the very things you hate.
22 Sep 2023 7:56 pm
So you're telling me for 13 schools, there isn't a SINGLE parent that wants their kid to learn?impartialobserver » 22 Sep 2023, 12:10 pm » wrote: ↑ Hmmm... and the parents have zero input in this. Interesting. You remind me of the folks that my wife talks to.. especially when she calls to tell them that they have not shown up in a week and the parent respond.."Yeah, so.. why are you bothering me?" But.. that teacher is in full control of that student showing up.. correct?
22 Sep 2023 10:25 pm
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fdr-was-ri ... 1583191252DeezerShoove » 22 Sep 2023, 6:37 pm » wrote: ↑ I've always thought anyone getting a government paycheck shouldn't be in a union.
Because their union's direct adversary is me. And I don't have any **** say in the squabble.
It's a major conflict of interest against the very public they serve.
23 Sep 2023 12:02 am
why learn math? you got an adding machine. why learn to spell? your computer will correct your spelling and grammar. why remember anything? your computer will remind your. why learn to drive? soon cars will drive them selves. why learn to cook? meals will be delivered to you. why get out of bed? finally you are free of living.
23 Sep 2023 12:04 am
23 Sep 2023 10:21 am
moral obligation? **** YOU...IamWoman » 21 Sep 2023, 10:07 pm » wrote: ↑ Their body, their choice. Teachers have a moral obligation to persuade their students to transition if necessary.
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23 Sep 2023 10:24 am
Jantje_Smit » 22 Sep 2023, 6:55 am » wrote: ↑ Well, in way, it has been proven that math is racist...
JuCo 5 percenter...72
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” ~ LAVRENTIY BERIA
"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Libruls are often fascists on vacation..."
23 Sep 2023 10:30 am
I agree, it's the parents that are to instill drive to succeed in school...most kids are just lazy and will take every out available...and yes, while some may be of lesser intelligence, it's the teachers who are responsible for noting to parents for help, encouragement and /or possibly adjusting curriculum...impartialobserver » 22 Sep 2023, 12:10 pm » wrote: ↑ Hmmm... and the parents have zero input in this. Interesting. You remind me of the folks that my wife talks to.. especially when she calls to tell them that they have not shown up in a week and the parent respond.."Yeah, so.. why are you bothering me?" But.. that teacher is in full control of that student showing up.. correct?
JuCo 5 percenter...72
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” ~ LAVRENTIY BERIA
"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Libruls are often fascists on vacation..." 
23 Sep 2023 10:36 am
23 Sep 2023 10:43 am
Watch the first video right below headline... it's actually quite disturbing...golfboy » 21 Sep 2023, 6:56 pm » wrote: ↑ At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested proficient on 2023 state math exam
But I'll bet these kids are full of information about trangenderism, the "climate crisis" and Black Lives Matter.
https://www.cbsnews.com/cbslocal/news/b ... 00-10abd1h
JuCo 5 percenter...72
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” ~ LAVRENTIY BERIA
"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Libruls are often fascists on vacation..."
23 Sep 2023 10:44 am
impartialobserver » 22 Sep 2023, 6:18 pm » wrote: ↑ You are hereby banished to the corner... little ****. We can't have someone being realistic.
JuCo 5 percenter...72
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” ~ LAVRENTIY BERIA
"Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Libruls are often fascists on vacation..." 
23 Sep 2023 1:52 pm
DeezerShoove » 22 Sep 2023, 6:37 pm » wrote: ↑ I've always thought anyone getting a government paycheck shouldn't be in a union.
Because their union's direct adversary is me. And I don't have any **** say in the squabble.
Exactly....
I don't give a damn about private sector Unions --- that's between labor and the business owners...
But Public Workers should not be able to organize ---because as you said, we as the Taxpayers who pay their salaries have no participation or say in the negotiations ---- especially when it comes to them demanding raises...
Another is the massive conflict of interest regarding some of the Public Unions .... For example the IRS has its own Union.
23 Sep 2023 2:05 pm
...and **** them... big time.Kobia2 » 23 Sep 2023, 1:52 pm » wrote: ↑ Exactly....
I don't give a damn about private sector Unions --- that's between labor and the business owners...
But Public Workers should not be able to organize ---because as you said, we as the Taxpayers who pay their salaries have no participation or say in the negotiations ---- especially when it comes to them demanding raises...
Another is the massive conflict of interest regarding some of the Public Unions .... For example the IRS has its own Union.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
23 Sep 2023 2:11 pm
In fairness, I wouldn't teach *** kids for TWICE the money those teachers are getting (no offense to *** kids).golfboy » 21 Sep 2023, 6:56 pm » wrote: ↑ At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested proficient on 2023 state math exam
But I'll bet these kids are full of information about trangenderism, the "climate crisis" and Black Lives Matter.
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If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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