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#ShePersisted » 13 Mar 2017 2:26 pm » wrote: One year, many hearings, and lots of debate.

ACA was created by Democrats without any input by Republicans and was fast tracked to be voted on the within 6 days of it being put on the floor. Why do you rewrite history? Democrats created the nuclear option to pass it with just a majority vote instead of the normally required 2/3 vote. Now when the Republicans are dismantling it the Democrats are having a hissy fit. Actions have consequences. I love ramming this consequence down progressives throats.

Obama's doubling the debt while spending $900 billion average a year in deficit while presiding over a dismal 1.2 average GDP. Also having employment drop by 8 million full time jobs and increasing part time jobs. Also creating Obama Care which he won the prestigious Pinocchio Award for. The results of progressive idiocy. The result is a backlash with the following.
1. President and Congress are Republican.
2. State governors and legislatures in 36 states are Republican.
3. Only 6 states are Democrat.
4. The remaining states went from Democrat to mixed.
The county election map of the country shows a sea of red with two spots of blue in southern California and southern NY.

Thank you Obama!!!

Flashback to February 2015 when then House Budget Committee Chairman, now Secretary of Health And Human Services, Tom Price, was instrumental in choosing Keith Hall to run the CBO.

WASHINGTON, D.C. – House Budget Committee Chairman Tom Price, M.D. (GA-06) issued the following statement today after Dr. Keith Hall was appointed to serve as the next Director of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO):
http://budget.house.gov/news/documentsi ... tID=393920

Months later, in two separate Congressional Record statements, Price (who had never hesitated to cite CBO numbers to buttress his own arguments) praised the CBO for its “high standard of professionalism, objectivity, and nonpartisanship” and for its “expertise.”

Fast forward to today, Price began trashing the CBO even before they released their numbers on the new healthcare bill.

On Friday, as the CBO prepares to evaluate the Trumpcare bill he has endorsed, Price barely acknowledged knowing Hall and blamed him and the office for “woefully under-performing” in their assessment of Obamacare seven years ago — five years before he helped put Hall in charge of the office.

“I worked with him in my previous job as chairman of the Budget Office,” he told MSNBC’s Mark Halperin.

Asked what he thinks of Hall, Price dodged the question and replied that CBO “is an organization that does their doggonest to get the numbers right, but, God bless ’em,” they did not correctly predict the number of Americans would get health insurance through exchanges.”

GOP’s hand-picked economist will soon release an assessment of Trumpcare. They’re now trashing him.

Donald J. Trump, January 15th, 2017:

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 252Bnation

Donald J. Trump, May 21st, 2015:

“I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.

Every other Republican is going to cut, and even if they wouldn’t, they don’t know what to do because they don’t know where the money is. I do.”

http://dailysignal.com/2015/05/21/why-d ... itlements/

Donald J. Trump, 60 minutes interview, September 27th, 2015:

Scott Pelley: What's your plan for Obamacare?

Donald Trump: Obamacare's going to be repealed and replaced.
Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what's going on with premiums where they're up 45, 50, 55 percent.

Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?

Donald Trump: There's many different ways, by the way, everybody's got to be covered.
This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, "No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private." But--

Scott Pelley: Universal health care?

Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not.
Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now.

Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of how?

Donald Trump: They're going to be taken care of.
I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people.
And, you know what, if this is probably--

Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Donald Trump: --the government's gonna pay for it.
But we're going to save so much money on the other side.
But for the most it's going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trum ... tt-pelley/

So the plow guy just called.
Says he'll be here as soon as he can.
Some roads are closed.



Still coming down.

Cannonpointer » 13 Mar 2017 11:21 pm » wrote: Calling people a liar with no evidence is bush league. You post like some hump that started on forums last week - rarely source, don't know the difference between a credible source and a partisan one, call names and offer no proof - you're a worthless POS.

I did provide evidence, Dim.

Go back to sleep, and stop listening to those voices in your head.

#ShePersisted » 14 Mar 2017 7:53 am » wrote:Flashback to February 2015 when then House Budget Committee Chairman, now Secretary of Health And Human Services, Tom Price, was instrumental in choosing Keith Hall to run the CBO..

Hey Dim, what happened to that huge conspiracy that Trump and associates collaborated with the Russians?

You haven't been pushing that lie lately.


What happened, did it blow up in your face?
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And what was all your shrieking and "drip, drip, drip" about if you never had a shred of evidence of wrong doing?

#ShePersisted » 14 Mar 2017 7:53 am » wrote:Flashback to February 2015 when then House Budget Committee Chairman, now Secretary of Health And Human Services, Tom Price, was instrumental in choosing Keith Hall to run the CBO.
Fast forward to today, Price began trashing the CBO even before they released their numbers on the new healthcare bill.
GOP’s hand-picked economist will soon release an assessment of Trumpcare. They’re now trashing him.

How is that theory of yours that the CBO is partisan and republican controlled? Or are you trying to get out in front of what you posted previously?

Termin8tor » 14 Mar 2017 9:13 am » wrote:I did provide evidence, Dim.

You provided a whole lot of evidence of your insanity.

Termin8tor » 14 Mar 2017 9:13 am » wrote:Go back to sleep, and stop listening to those voices in your head.

Talking to yourself, another sign of your insanity.

White House analysis of Obamacare repeal sees even deeper insurance losses than CBO

The executive branch analysis forecast that 26 million people would lose coverage over the next decade, versus the 24 million CBO estimates.

A White House analysis of the GOP plan to repeal and replace Obamacare shows even steeper coverage losses than the projections by the Congressional Budget Office, according to a document viewed by POLITICO on Monday.

The preliminary analysis from the Office of Management and Budget forecast that 26 million people would lose coverage over the next decade, versus the 24 million CBO estimates. The White House has made efforts to discredit the forecasts from the nonpartisan CBO.

White House officials late Monday night disputed that the document is an analysis of the bill’s coverage effects. Instead, they say it was an attempt by the OMB to predict what CBO’s scorekeepers would conclude about the GOP repeal plan.

“This is not an analysis of the bill in any way whatsoever,” White House Communications Director Michael Dubke told POLITICO. “This is OMB trying to project what CBO’s score will be using CBO’s methodology.”

#ShePersisted » 14 Mar 2017 9:33 am » wrote: You provided a whole lot of evidence of your insanity.

Talking to yourself, another sign of your insanity.

Hey Dim, what happened to that huge conspiracy that Trump and associates collaborated with the Russians?

You haven't been pushing that lie lately.

What happened, did it blow up in your face?
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And what was all your shrieking and "drip, drip, drip" about if you never had a shred of evidence of wrong doing?

Speaking of insane.

#ShePersisted » 14 Mar 2017 9:47 am » wrote:

I am curious as to what they define as coverage? Coverage as we knew it BEFORE the ACA? Or the current level of coverage all policies must have such as a 50 plus married couple who can no longer have children being forced to carry Birth Control coverage as well all maternity and pediatric coverage? Are they counting 21-26 year olds that will have to go out and get their own coverage? Are they counting those that will chose to go back to catastrophic plans? Also, like the CBO report are they counting those who voluntarily choose not to be covered?
A lot of factors are unknown at this point.

PS. You just posted the CBO is non partisan.

#ShePersisted » 14 Mar 2017 7:53 am » wrote:Flashback to February 2015 when then House Budget Committee Chairman, now Secretary of Health And Human Services, Tom Price, was instrumental in choosing Keith Hall to run the CBO.

Fast forward to today, Price began trashing the CBO even before they released their numbers on the new healthcare bill.


GOP’s hand-picked economist will soon release an assessment of Trumpcare. They’re now trashing him.

He ain't the only person in the CBO, and I doubt their estimate takes into account later changes in this law.

OMB Head Mulvaney Says CBO Healthcare Budget Estimates Make No Sense
Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Head Mark Mulvaney was on Morning Joe today and he discussed the healthcare proposal. One thing that Mulvaney is clear about is that the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) is way off in its estimates with the healthcare proposal.
Mulvaney said:
Let’s say your on Medicaid. The House bill passes tomorrow. The CBO claims that you will go off of Medicaid. Ok. It’s a free program but the CBO assumes that as soon as the mandate is gone that you will give up something free in exchange for nothing. That makes no sense.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03 ... -no-sense/

#ShePersisted » 14 Mar 2017 8:00 am » wrote:Donald J. Trump, January 15th, 2017:

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody. There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

Hey psycho, is Obamacare "imploding" as one health insurance exec said?

What's your plan to fix it?

What the Democrat plan?

Huey » 14 Mar 2017 9:21 am » wrote: How is that theory of yours that the CBO is partisan and republican controlled?

Did I say they were 'partisan?'
I don't remember using that word.
(but then I don't remember much)

I know I said that the head of the CBO was appointed by Republicans.
That's how it works.

The Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate jointly appoint the CBO Director, after considering recommendations from the two budget committees.

Tom Price was the chairman of the House Budget Committee when Keith Hall was appointed.

Tom Price was instrumental in the appointing Keith Hall to head the CBO because Republicans felt that the former CBO director Doug Elmendorf, caved and gave the Democrats what they wanted when he scored the ACA.

Tom Price, 2015.

“Keith Hall will bring an impressive level of economic expertise and experience to the Congressional Budget Office. Throughout his career, he has served in both the public and private sector, under presidents of both parties, and in roles that make him well-suited to lead the CBO.
In particular, during his time at the U.S. International Trade Commission, Dr. Hall has worked on providing Congress with non-partisan economic analyses – a role similar to the responsibilities he will now assume as CBO director.
His vast understanding of economic and labor market policy will be invaluable to the work of CBO and the important roll it will continue to play as Congress seeks to enact policies that support a healthy and growing economy.”

So has Keith Hall become less qualified since 2015?

Huey » 14 Mar 2017 9:21 am » wrote: Or are you trying to get out in front of what you posted previously?

Wish I knew what you were referring to.

#ShePersisted » 13 Mar 2017 9:12 pm » wrote:Republicans are always saying that we should allow health insurance companies to sell across state lines.

I heard a few people say lately that health insurance companies don't really want to sell insurance across state lines, so I looked it up.

Are you going for a record of the most set of lying posts on this site. You just pop out one lie after another. Since you refuse to prove any of your assertions it proves you are a liar of the first order. You deserve the Gargantuan Whopper Award!!!

Termin8tor » 14 Mar 2017 10:15 am » wrote:Hey psycho, is Obamacare "imploding" as one health insurance exec said?
What's your plan to fix it?
What the Democrat plan?

Hey psycho!

Just pointing out that the Terror of Twitter made a lot of big promises when it comes to fixing health care.

You keep saying that he will keep his promises.

Let's see if he keeps that one.

#ShePersisted » 14 Mar 2017 8:05 am » wrote:Donald J. Trump, May 21st, 2015:

“I’m not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid.

Every other Republican is going to cut, and even if they wouldn’t, they don’t know what to do because they don’t know where the money is. I do.”

http://dailysignal.com/2015/05/21/why-d ... itlements/

#ShePersisted » 14 Mar 2017 8:15 am » wrote:Donald J. Trump, 60 minutes interview, September 27th, 2015:

Scott Pelley: What's your plan for Obamacare?

Donald Trump: Obamacare's going to be repealed and replaced.
Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what's going on with premiums where they're up 45, 50, 55 percent.

Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?

Donald Trump: There's many different ways, by the way, everybody's got to be covered.
This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, "No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private." But--

Scott Pelley: Universal health care?

Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not.
Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now.

Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of how?

Donald Trump: They're going to be taken care of.
I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people.
And, you know what, if this is probably--

Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Donald Trump: --the government's gonna pay for it.
But we're going to save so much money on the other side.
But for the most it's going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trum ... tt-pelley/

#ShePersisted » 14 Mar 2017 9:11 am » wrote:So the plow guy just called.
Says he'll be here as soon as he can.
Some roads are closed.



Still coming down.

So get in your birthday suit and dive into the snow. I challenged my kids to that when I lived in Michigan. Here in Sarasota Florida it is an abysmal 66 degrees!!

#ShePersisted » 14 Mar 2017 10:33 am » wrote: Did I say they were 'partisan?'
I don't remember using that word.
(but then I don't remember much)

I know I said that the head of the CBO was appointed by Republicans.
That's how it works.

The Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate jointly appoint the CBO Director, after considering recommendations from the two budget committees.

Tom Price was the chairman of the House Budget Committee when Keith Hall was appointed.

Tom Price was instrumental in the appointing Keith Hall to head the CBO because Republicans felt that the former CBO director Doug Elmendorf, caved and gave the Democrats what they wanted when he scored the ACA.
So has Keith Hall become less qualified since 2015?
Wish I knew what you were referring to.

THis is what you posted previously:

Huey » 09 Mar 2017 2:45 pm » wrote: Introduction to CBO


Since 1975, CBO has produced independent analyses of budgetary and economic issues to support the Congressional budget process. Each year, the agency’s economists and budget analysts produce dozens of reports and hundreds of cost estimates for proposed legislation.

CBO is strictly nonpartisan; conducts objective, impartial analysis; and hires its employees solely on the basis of professional competence without regard to political affiliation. CBO does not make policy recommendations, and each report and cost estimate summarizes the methodology underlying the analysis. Learn more about CBO’s commitment to objectivity and transparency.

CBO’s work follows processes specified in the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (which established the agency) or developed by the agency in concert with the House and Senate Budget Committees and the Congressional leadership.

If you are new to the Congress or are unfamiliar with CBO, you may find yourself asking the following questions:

What types of reports does CBO produce?
How do I get a cost estimate?
Where can I find budget options?
How do I contact CBO?
For more information, visit our other pages in the About CBO section or read our printable brochure, An Introduction to the Congressional Budget Office.

https://www.cbo.gov/about/overview

I am glad you checked out the info I gave you last week. Kudos!