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bigsky » 15 Mar 2017 6:48 pm » wrote: They changed the name of that to Obama league

Misty » 14 Mar 2017 11:27 am » wrote: You mean like when I quote Donald Trump directly and you call me a liar?

Misty » 15 Mar 2017 7:04 pm » wrote:Trump sits down with Fox News’ Tucker Carlson tonight for a nice leisurely tongue bath.
So after being proven a liar, the liar is doubling down on his lies.

Misty » 16 Mar 2017 9:19 am » wrote:
Yup. That's exactly what he did.
More lies and a bunch of incoherent ****.

Donald Trump gives rambling and incoherent explanation for claim Barack Obama wiretapped his home.

Sgt Bilko » 16 Mar 2017 7:07 am » wrote:And you never ever except for 1 failed time proved your assertions. You just post assertions and never prove them. Thus you are a liar!!!
Assertion without proof equals a lie!!!

roadkill » 16 Mar 2017 9:20 am » wrote:Did Trump use the dems claims of Russian ties as a template?

Misty » 16 Mar 2017 9:27 am » wrote: The House Intel Committee starts hearings on that Monday.
It's run by a Republican, not a Dem.
Other committees run by Republicans will also be looking into it.
So you can blame the Dems all you want.
They don't have the gavels.

Misty » 16 Mar 2017 9:19 am » wrote:Yup. That's exactly what he did.
More lies and a bunch of incoherent ****.

Misty » 16 Mar 2017 9:22 am » wrote:The one trick pony strikes again.

Just like Clem, the only arrow you have in your quiver is to shout liar.

Misty » 15 Mar 2017 7:47 pm » wrote:Interesting article:

Lessons From the Fake News Pandemic of 19428

Misty » 15 Mar 2017 5:25 pm » wrote:Huey and Clem need to tell Devin Nunes that the issue is closed.

Why is Nunes pushing this HUGE conspiracy theory Clem?

Trump’s defense of his wiretap conspiracy theory goes horribly awry. - By Steve Benen

I’ve tried to keep an open mind about Donald Trump’s wiretap conspiracy theory.

The idea that President Obama ordered illegal surveillance of the then-Republican candidate obviously seems ridiculous, but it’s plausible to me that some members of Team Trump had communications that were caught up in a legitimate, proper investigation.

But every time I try to take at least part of the story seriously, Trump shares some thoughts on the matter, which make his allegations sound crazy all over again.

Last night, for example, Fox News aired a new interview between Tucker Carlson and the president.
Let’s pause here for a moment. To hear the president tell it, when he told the world that he’d “just found out” about an illegal surveillance operation launched against him by Barack Obama, that was apparently a lie.

The New York Times mentioned wiretapping in January, and Fox’s Bret Baier mentioned it again more recently, but neither report made any mention of Obama targeting Trump.

Also note Trump’s vague references to “things”: he’s read some “things,” he’s read “other things,” and he’s “seeing a lot of things.”

This wouldn’t work for a child delivering a book report about a book he hasn’t read, and it sounds even worse when a president is defending accusations of an illegal espionage operation.

The interview continued:
This isn’t coherent. Why did Trump share a conspiracy theory he couldn’t prove?
Because two months ago, a newspaper he doesn’t trust published a piece that offered literally no proof to substantiate his conspiracy theory.
Maybe the president didn’t understand the question.

This, however, was probably the most striking exchange:
This is alarmingly nutty.
For months, Trump has looked past the official information available to the president through his own administration, preferring instead to rely on reports from news outlets he doesn’t seem to fully understand.

In this case, Tucker Carlson tried to remind him that he has access to real evidence that could tell him whether his conspiracy theories are true or not, and Trump immediately responded by pointing to a Fox News report – which once again, did not in any way bolster his conspiracy theory.

The president went on to say that in his conspiracy-theory tweets, he put the word “wiretap” in quotes.

“Nobody ever talks about the fact that it was in quotes, but that’s a very important thing,” Trump said.

A Slate report added, “It is hard to fully describe how clownish the president of the United States looks during this portion of the interview.”

If the goal of the appearance was to renew fears about Trump’s stability, he succeeded beautifully.

Misty » 16 Mar 2017 12:05 pm » wrote: He's seeing "THINGS" again.

Misty » 16 Mar 2017 12:05 pm » wrote:Trump’s defense of his wiretap conspiracy theory goes horribly awry. - By Steve Benen

He's seeing "THINGS" again.

Misty » 16 Mar 2017 12:05 pm » wrote:Trump’s defense of his wiretap conspiracy theory goes horribly awry. - By Steve Benen

Bill Enabling Gun Sales to 'Mentally Incompetent' Vets Draws Criticism

WASHINGTON – A House bill seeking to end federal checks that prevent more than 167,000 veterans deemed "mentally incompetent" from keeping or purchasing firearms is receiving criticism from some Democrats and former generals.

"This would be irresponsible, dangerous, and life threatening to those who need access to care, not weapons," a group of 14 former military officials wrote to lawmakers in a letter opposing the bill.

The Department of Veterans Affairs considers veterans who cannot manage their VA benefits and need another person to help with their finances as "mentally incompetent." The department reports the names of those veterans to the FBI, which adds them to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System – the national database that gun merchants are required to check before selling a firearm.

But last week, the House Committee on Veterans' Affairs advanced legislation that would do away with that practice, and instead require the court system to determine whether veterans pose a threat to themselves or others before they're added to the database.

Petraeus, retired generals fight NRA-backed gun bill for vets deemed ‘mentally defective’

Retired Army Gen. David Petraeus and a cadre of retired generals have joined a nonprofit organization’s fight against “The Veterans 2nd Amendment Protection Act.”

Republican Reps. Mike Conaway of Texas and Rep. Brad Wenstrup of Ohio in late January introduced H.R. 629, which would prohibit the Department of Veterans Affairs from labeling veterans “mentally defective” if they use a fiduciary to navigate the system.

The Veterans Coalition for Common Sense — a group created by former Democrat Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona — claims the bill will put veterans and civilians in danger while denying the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) vital information.

“The bill you are debating comes at a time when an average of 20 veterans commit suicide each day, two-thirds of whom do so by using a firearm,” the group said in a statement, USA Today reported Monday.

“We know that non-deployed veterans are at a 61 percent higher risk of suicide compared to the American civilian population, and deployed veterans are at a 41 percent higher risk.

When vulnerable veterans have access to firearms, they can do harm not only to themselves but also to family members and loved ones.”

Misty » 16 Mar 2017 12:22 pm » wrote:Some more of the NRA's handiwork.
H.R. 1181, the "Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act"
20 Veterans a day commit suicide, two thirds of them with a gun.
Some of them also kill others.

The same group who every time there is a mass shooting says that we have to do something about the mental issues will have a lot of blood on their hands.

“The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) proudly supports introduction of the Veterans 2nd Amendment Protection Act (H.R. 629), a bill that would prevent the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) from restricting veterans’ Second Amendment rights without due process,” the group
said upon the bill’s introduction on Jan. 24.

Termin8tor » 16 Mar 2017 12:14 pm » wrote:Who cares what a leftist wackjob at MS-LSD thinks?

TRUMP: I had been reading about THINGS.

I read in – I think it was January 20th, a New York Times article where they were talking about wiretapping.

There was an article, I think they used that exact term.

I read other THINGS.

I watched your friend Bret Baier the day previous, where he was talking about certain, very complex sets of THINGS happening, and wiretapping.

I said “Wait a minute, there’s a lot of wiretapping being talked about.”

I have been seeing a lot of THINGS.

Clem: How did things go for your beloved "straight shooter" Rachel Madcow go with her huge expose of Trump's taxes?

Misty » 16 Mar 2017 12:47 pm » wrote: What about the incoherent direct quotes from Trump's own mouth in the article?
So he made up that lie about Obama tapping his phones because he saw a lot of THINGS.

Nothing earth shattering in there, but it did start the conversation about him releasing his taxes again.

So what excuse do you think he will use to not release the returns he's going to file for 2016?

They couldn't possibly be under audit, and he promised that he would release his returns when they were no longer under audit.

I'm sure you will defend whatever lie he comes up with.

Guaranteed he says that 1. he's filing an extension and 2. he points to the 2005 returns that Maddow featured on her program as proof that he pays taxes.

They were marked 'client copy' so many people think he cherry picked a year when he actually paid a decent amount of taxes and released them himself.

The White House put out a statement saying that they were proof that he pays taxes and
his own son Tweeted the same thing.

The reason that people want to see his returns is not so much to see how much he paid in taxes, but more about who he's doing business with and who he owes money to, so we can know if there are any conflicts of interest.

Of course, you don't give a **** about any of that because he has an R after his name and not a D.